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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)

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I finally got a chance to really air out the 3101212 last week. Two sets, afternoon and evening. The afternoon I left it pretty much as is at practice and what not. Sounded very sterile and I was giving a ost eq mix to the pa. I cut a lot of lows out in the pre then put them back with a maximizer (more round low end).

Second set, I had a few more minutes to mess with it. Realized it was a really dead room, so I could get away with a lot more lows. Ran pre eq to the board, and really brought up the low end and overall volume since the pa mix was much louder as well. Oh, there was also an sm57 mic'd up.

The second set KILLED. We sounded huge. I could hear and feel myself anywhere on stage (it was medium sized, but big for a club). It's nice to be able to feel even your ghost notes in your chest from 8 feet away. Ahh... finally getting to work that cab. Still barely blinking 3 bars on the power amp :) Good stuff.

Of course everyone came up to comment on it. The usual, *** is that cab? Damn your tone rocks, etc etc. :) The sound guy was most impressed with my rig and he never heard anything like it. I was feeling cocky and said, I'd put it up against that thing anyday, and motioned my head to the svt 8x10 standing behind it.

I stand by that statement.
 
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troll said:
I finally got a chance to really air out the 3101212 last week. Two sets, afternoon and evening. The afternoon I left it pretty much as is at practice and what not. Sounded very sterile and I was giving a ost eq mix to the pa. I cut a lot of lows out in the pre then put them back with a maximizer (more round low end).

Second set, I had a few more minutes to mess with it. Realized it was a really dead room, so I could get away with a lot more lows. Ran pre eq to the board, and really brought up the low end and overall volume since the pa mix was much louder as well. Oh, there was also an sm57 mic'd up.

The second set KILLED. We sounded huge. I could hear and feel myself anywhere on stage (it was medium sized, but big for a club). It's nice to be able to feel even your ghost notes in your chest from 8 feet away. Ahh... finally getting to work that cab. Still barely blinking 3 bars on the power amp :) Good stuff.

Of course everyone came up to comment on it. The usual, *** is that cab? Damn your tone rocks, etc etc. :) The sound guy was most impressed with my rig and he never heard anything like it. I was feeling cocky and said, I'd put it up against that thing anyday, and motioned my head to the svt 8x10 standing behind it.

I stand by that statement.
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I think this is the cab I'm going to go for over the 410... :D I just want something that can own anything and anyone, and I'm just falling in love with my Schro all over again... I can't believe I considered something else!! :bawl:
 
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First post here

been trying to read the whole thread but it's kind of long
so please excuse me if it was covered already.

I've been in hiatus for 5 years
playing bass before that for 15 years
always used the old school stuff (Ampeg SVT II, Acoustic, Trace, GK)

Top 40 Stuff, Rock, Funk, Soul etc....

My favorite setup was an SVT II (non pro) with a 4x10 Trace Elliot (UK)
also a Hartke 4x10 XL all of this with Passive Basses.
so with that in mind maybe you can relate to the tone I'm after.

Fast forward today and there are so many options
that it's mind boggling. (at least to me) plus
my back is not that strong to carry a 4x10 anymore
plus my car is small (Mini Cooper S Cabrio).

I'm looking for a small cab (1210/1212/12+) for small venues
and fit everything in the Cooper.

The basses I'm looking at are:

1. Lakland Darryl Jones 5
2. Lakland 55-02

any of the above with an Ampeg SVT II (old habits die hard, I know)

basically the cabinet is my only missing link here

Will this cabinet give me the goods with a 5 string bass?
do you think I can obtain the tone I'm after with this cabinet?

I tried SWR, Eden (2x10/4x10) with a GK800 & Ampeg SVT II
but they distort too fast.
I tend to play hard with my fingers
the only cabs that would hold are the 4x10 Trace and Hartke XL.

sorry for my long post
I just want to make sure that this is the cab i need
you help is greatly appreciated

regards,
CJ
 
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Mastersonic said:
First post here

been trying to read the whole thread but it's kind of long
so please excuse me if it was covered already.

I've been in hiatus for 5 years
playing bass before that for 15 years
always used the old school stuff (Ampeg SVT II, Acoustic, Trace, GK)

Top 40 Stuff, Rock, Funk, Soul etc....

My favorite setup was an SVT II (non pro) with a 4x10 Trace Elliot (UK)
also a Hartke 4x10 XL all of this with Passive Basses.
so with that in mind maybe you can relate to the tone I'm after.

Fast forward today and there are so many options
that it's mind boggling. (at least to me) plus
my back is not that strong to carry a 4x10 anymore
plus my car is small (Mini Cooper S Cabrio).

I'm looking for a small cab (1210/1212/12+) for small venues
and fit everything in the Cooper.

The basses I'm looking at are:

1. Lakland Darryl Jones 5
2. Lakland 55-02

any of the above with an Ampeg SVT II (old habits die hard, I know)

basically the cabinet is my only missing link here

Will this cabinet give me the goods with a 5 string bass?
do you think I can obtain the tone I'm after with this cabinet?

I tried SWR, Eden (2x10/4x10) with a GK800 & Ampeg SVT II
but they distort too fast.
I tend to play hard with my fingers
the only cabs that would hold are the 4x10 Trace and Hartke XL.

sorry for my long post
I just want to make sure that this is the cab i need
you help is greatly appreciated

regards,
CJ
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Both the cabs you mentioned liking use 10" drivers which give a punchier tone.

All the Schroeder cabs are pretty punchy, but you'd get more punch from the 1210 or a rounder tone from the 1212.
Either should handle a small to small-medium venue with ease.
 
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I was thinking in even trying
the Ashdown perfect 10 Mini Rig
just for the cabinets size and space convenience
but it doesn't say the specs of the cabs.

also forgot to ask another bass

Marcus Miller 4 or 5 string bass
hmmm, it looks like a killer bass.....


oh well
I have till friday to make up my mind
it looks like the 1210 is the cab afterall.

any other comments on setups are VERY welcome

regards,
CJ
 
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I'm having a delema about whether to stick with my 1212 or go ahead and upgrade to the 21012 or 410. The 1212 kills for such a small cabinet, I mean small to med gigs, even most larger stages with sound re-enforcement would be covered. But when my band gets pumping (with 3 to 4 drummers/ percussionists) my limiter is activating, mainly on the B string, though no distortion at all. I may upgrade just for the extra push when I need it, but the tone of the 1212 is perfecty what I need, so unless the 21012 or 410 come close to that I may just need another 1212 for larger stages.

On a side note -

I a/b'ed the 1212 with an Aguilar 212. The Aggie tone was focused more in the high mids/high end, and though it kept up with the 1212 volume-wise the punch and bottom end were lacking. I did have to turn the master volume up using the Aggie to get the same (or close) volume as the 1212. Also, it seemed like the 1212 punch/tone could be heard from any point in the room, the Aggie was more directional for sure. I will say the Aggie very complimentary to the 1212, when I ran them in stereo, the highs from the Aggie mixed well with the low punch of the Schroeder. Overall I'd say I'd use the 1212 as a stand alone cab, but not the Aggie, but together they're a nice set.

I also compared it to my Ampeg svt-410hlf (the 1200watt pro version). The 410 handles a bit more power before limiting, but was seriously lacking the full spectrum of tone of the 1212. The 1212 sounded huge compared to the 410. Me and my band were shocked (and awed) by the tonal difference.

Of course this is just my personal taste, so no offense to anyone, or any gear out there.
 
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Jonesy4fnk said:
I will say the Aggie very complimentary to the 1212, when I ran them in stereo, the highs from the Aggie mixed well with the low punch of the Schroeder. Overall I'd say I'd use the 1212 as a stand alone cab, but not the Aggie, but together they're a nice set.
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sounds similar to what I find with the 1212 + 1210 mini stack.

I still think Jorg should make a single box with 2 front faced 12" and an angled 12" & 10" :bassist:
 
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Jonesy4fnk said:
I'm having a delema about whether to stick with my 1212 or go ahead and upgrade to the 21012 or 410. The 1212 kills for such a small cabinet, I mean small to med gigs, even most larger stages with sound re-enforcement would be covered. But when my band gets pumping (with 3 to 4 drummers/ percussionists) my limiter is activating, mainly on the B string, though no distortion at all. I may upgrade just for the extra push when I need it, but the tone of the 1212 is perfecty what I need, so unless the 21012 or 410 come close to that I may just need another 1212 for larger stages.

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If you really like the low end, mid-bass and lower midrange of the 1212, you'd probably prefer the 21012 over the 410.

EQing will get the two somewhat close, but there's no way to make up for the hefty sound of that 12" (IMO).

I do suspect the 1212 & 410 would make a great sounding system, but if you want to use the bigger cab by itself, that's another story (I can hardly imagine what the 1212 and 21012 would sound like together!!! :eek: ).
 
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hmmm...1212 + 1210 setup sounds nice too :)


actually, Brian (from LowEnd) just pointed out that my limiter is coming on due to my svt being maxed out, not from the 1212 being maxed, so maybe all is need is more power to get that extra push I'm looking for. Unfortunately I wouldn't be able to buy both the 1212 and the 21012 right now, so I have to choose the best option. I'm still leaning towards the 1212, for its tone and size.

Both Brian and Jorg have been really awesome about helping me figure out what cab is best for my needs. I can't say enough how nice it its to have that kind of service.
 
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+1 on the 1210/1212 combo.......the pair sound great together, and you can split them up for small gigs. I haven't tried the Schroeders with a GK 800 head, but I have tried them with my old GK 400.....they still sounded very very good :cool:
 
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Mastersonic said:
Have anyone tried an SVT II, GK 800 with this cabinets?

if it was for me I'll use a Eden Traveler
because of the size and space constrains that i have (small car)

anyone have used the above 3 amps with this cabs?

thanks,
CJ
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I have used the GK 800 with my 410 many times at practice, and for one indoor gig. I am very pleased with this combo, but still prefer the sound that the Carvin B1500 gives me with the 410 (hold off on the flaming please). If you currently have the GK 800, you will not be dissapointed in pairing it with a Schroeder cab. On the other hand, I am not sure if I would ever purchase a GK 800 to pair with a Schroeder.....i feel that their are better options out there. I would be quite interested in hearing an SVT II on top of my cab. This is all IMO of course, and depends heavily on what your idea of the perfect sound is.
 
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SMASH said:
My 1212 does more than fine with fingerstyle digging in on a Roscoe Beck 5 or Darryl Jones 5. 1210 would be fine too, I'm sure.
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hi Smash

i think this is the cab then
One of my worries was digging into the strings
that will distort just like the SWR's & Eden's

I like the diggin' sound specially with an SVT II

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has anyone tried the 1210 cab with an Eden Traveler?
does it gives the goods?
I'm just trying to be as light as possible

any other light amp options are appreciated


regards,
CJ
 
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