Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)

[DAcat]

BTW, I have my new and totally revamped rig together now, so in answer to your question DCAT, I am now running my Aggie DB659 through a QSC RMX 1450 bridged into my 21012.

Oh yeah!

Hey Buffalo Bob...OOOOHHHH YEEAAHHH!!!!!!! I thought I heard thunder today! I was thinking of getting the same exact amp-preamp! But I got in a hurry because I needed something for now for our band,a Yorkville XS 800H-I know from trying out the Yorkie 800 that 800 watts will be loud enough for our band for now...but I am curious...what does your Schro sound like turned way up when you're feeding that cab almost 1400 watts (now don't blow anything up or down). And as far as your second cab-do you have a second band you gig with where you need to be that loud? My only thoughts with getting another larger cab would be to consider a smaller one(or two), since portabilty is an issue at times-it would be nice to have the ability to carry and transport the smaller cab(s) around when you didn't need the bigger cab...but I love my 410 so I'm not going to be the one to talk you out of it...Peace...DAcat

 

[DAcat]

Played my 1210 in a band setting for the first time last night and man does it cut through like a knife. The only way I can describe the sound is "precise"......exactly what I'm playing, whether it be good or bad.

Hey Juniorkimbrough-welcome and congratulations ...that is precisely the way it cuts....but like a warm knife through butter! You will be heard now...I think this cab has made me a better player already because I hear myself better,so practice,practice,etc...Peace...DAcat

 

[BuffaloBob4343]

but I am curious...what does your Schro sound like turned way up when you're feeding that cab almost 1400 watts (now don't blow anything up or down).

I wouldn't know dude, I was afraid to turn it up past about 50% in the house! I had the input signal on the preamp about half way, the master on the preamp about 2/3 and the power on the 1450 at about half way, and I was worried that I was going to blow out a window! But the sound was still clear and yummy!

And as far as your second cab-do you have a second band you gig with where you need to be that loud? My only thoughts with getting another larger cab would be to consider a smaller one(or two), since portabilty is an issue at times-it would be nice to have the ability to carry and transport the smaller cab(s) around when you didn't need the bigger cab...but I love my 410 so I'm not going to be the one to talk you out of it...Peace...DAcat

I agree, it would be nice to have the 1210 for portability. But I keep thinking that it's only about $250 more for the 410 LOL! And I'm still young enough to carry 75 pounds for at least few more years! I wish I could play through a 410 and a 1210 so I could hear what they sound like compared to one another.

Oh well, it will be another month or so until I have to make that decision.

 

[John D Harris]

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I agree, it would be nice to have the 1210 for portability. But I keep thinking that it's only about $250 more for the 410 LOL! And I'm still young enough to carry 75 pounds for at least few more years! I wish I could play through a 410 and a 1210 so I could hear what they sound like compared to one another.

Oh well, it will be another month or so until I have to make that decision.

The 1210 is closer tonally to the 21012.
As I mentioned previously, "the 410 is just very tight, solid, & punchy as all heck!"

 

[BuffaloBob4343]

The 1210 is closer tonally to the 21012.
As I mentioned previously, "the 410 is just very tight, solid, & punchy as all heck!"

That's exactly why I keep thinking I'd like to get the 410. If the 1210 is just a smaller version of the 21012 tonally, I'd like the sonic diversity the 410 gives over the convenience of a smaller cab.

Now of course, eventually I might have a 1210, too! So I can have the convenience when I want it.

Gosh, talk about greedy!!

 

[harry manback]

ok, i have a little question for you shroeder users/owners... when using a cab like the 1210 that's only 16"H can you hear the bass as loud and clear as a 4x10?? i mean 16"H is really low and away from your ears... thank you!

 

[west*coast*bass]

ok, i have a little question for you shroeder users/owners... when using a cab like the 1210 that's only 16"H can you hear the bass as loud and clear as a 4x10?? i mean 16"H is really low and away from your ears... thank you!

I own a 1212 - the answer is yes. This is the best bass cab I have ever played through and I have been playing for 27 years. And you can always stand the cab on one end...not that you would have to.

 

[Akami]

I agree, it would be nice to have the 1210 for portability. But I keep thinking that it's only about $250 more for the 410 LOL! And I'm still young enough to carry 75 pounds for at least few more years! I wish I could play through a 410 and a 1210 so I could hear what they sound like compared to one another.

This is a really good point I've not seen mentioned!

Most people that get Schroeders are trying to get rid of weight/bulk and use that in conjunction with sound tastes to make their choice, but especially for someone with transportation covered, maximizing dollar/speaker output should really be taken into consideration too.

 

[Mastersonics]

hello everyone,

This is exactly what i was thinking
all I can say (and my bandmates too) is WOW!!!!!

I have been playing for almost 20 years and have owned
almost every brand and size under the universe,
I'm very picky when it comes to tone
I prefer to have a great tone over size anytime.
so understand that I was more worried about loosing my tone
than to save some pounds on a cabinet.


I was at the local hard rock cafe for a gig this past Saturday
it was a Harley Davidson bike week event
tipical stage (aprox. 30' x 20')
the guitar player came with his 4x12 Marshall and
the drummer with a Neil Peart setup (taking a lot of space)
I had barely space for my rig (1210 & GK 1001RBII)

well they looked at the rig and were like:
what's that?


honestly,
I was kind of worried
since everyone was with their best/bigger setups
and there I was with an almost insignificant setup.
I was like "oh sh*t" let's hope this works, lol!
well guess what, ;-)

I was amazed on how loud this cabinet was
even with the GTR player being VERY loud (as always)
he later told me that he could understand everything I was doing
we played some Rush as well
I could hang with the drummer and also
told me he could understand everything that I was doing.

If anyone is thinking of buying this cabinet
by all means GO AHEAD!!!!
this cabinet will do bigger gigs than you think

I'm gonna try to find some pictures of the gig
so you guys see what I mean

sorry for the big post
but I'm so happy with my new rig
that it's hard not to express how happy I am.

hope my experience will help anyone
that is thinking on buying this same cabinet
plus Jorg is a class act and very helpful.

I liked the cabinet so much that now
I'm the Schroeder distributor here in PR.


regards,
Charles J. Rivera
President
Mastersonics Inc.

 

[fclefgeoff]

Well, I had my first gig with the 410 on Saturday night and I was completely blown away. We played a medium sized bar with a crowd of about 150-200 bikers. I am in an AC/DC tribute band and this was a fundraiser for a motorcycle club.

I have never been able to hear myself so clearly and my band likes alot of stage volume. My rig was up against two Marshall half stacks & a Yamaha drum kit and it held it's own with no problems. I am quite certain that I will never need another cab. I love how you can hear this cab no matter where you are on stage. Thanks for an amazing product, Jorg.

The funny thing is I was using an SWR Silverado Special (2x12 350 watts) and I could never get the tone that I heard in my head. I added a Fulltone BassDrive and I got a little closer but now that I am using the AG-500 & Schroeder 410, all I have to do is plug in and turn up! The tone is excellent. This amp & cab combination sounds fantastic!

I guess I'll be selling the Silverado and my Fulltone pedal now. I really don't have a use for them anymore.

 

[tallboybass]

ok, i have a little question for you shroeder users/owners... when using a cab like the 1210 that's only 16"H can you hear the bass as loud and clear as a 4x10?? i mean 16"H is really low and away from your ears... thank you!

It's hard to believe how well you can hear this little cab! This is one reason I'm EBing mine (1210). I don't think I want to hear myself that well! It doesn't seem to matter whether you stand the cab up on end, or leave it flat, it just floods the area with BASS.

 

[SnoMan]

It's hard to believe how well you can hear this little cab! This is one reason I'm EBing mine (1210). I don't think I want to hear myself that well! It doesn't seem to matter whether you stand the cab up on end, or leave it flat, it just floods the area with BASS.

But not in a bad way.

I actually have trouble discerning how much is too much sometimes. It just seems to fit in the mix so well that I'm not sure how loud I should turn it..

 

[tallboybass]

But not in a bad way.

I actually have trouble discerning how much is too much sometimes. It just seems to fit in the mix so well that I'm not sure how loud I should turn it..

That was my problem. I thought I was WAY too loud, but not so.

 

[Son of Bovril]

who's got a 310212 that can give me some feedback on what it sounds like?

 

[Larry Kaye]

Do a search on this thread for 310212....there seems to be at least 4 or 5 posters that have a 310212. Maybe you could send them a personal email message if you don't hear from them on the thread?

What type of "sound/tone" are you looking for? What head do you use or are you planning on using? How big are the venues, type of music, how many people in the bands, what's the breakdown instrumentally, how "adequate" is your PA support/do you have any/some/none?"

Curious people would like to know

Lkaye

 

[Son of Bovril]

I play heavy melodic rock, I'm looking for punch and clarity and also thickness to my tone, but not boomy, phat fullness. I usually play with my EQ flat - will be using a Fender 300 Pro with a Warwick thumb and a dbx 166xl compressor and sometimes an EBS Microbass II instead of the head's preamp.

I play in a band with an extremely loud drummer, a 7-string guitarist with an Orange OR120 halfstack and a second bassist who plays higher strumming stuff or acoustic electric guitar on some tracks.

On the bigger festival type stages, A single 810 cab with the sound company's SVT4-Pro usually isn't loud enough, but in smaller clubs, a 410 with my fender head will cut it...

I almost always have PA support, but usually it is not good quality, just loud. I spoke to Jorg and he said he could hook me up with the 310212 that I am looking at...

I would like to just get some peoples opinions on the cabs sound compared to some other well known cabs?

 

[iriegnome]

This last Saturday was the very first time I have ever played a 5'er and it was the very first time I played my brand new bass. During a couple of the build ups' I dropped to a low D on that B string. The floor was rumbling. My Schroeder Mini-12 and 1212 kept right up and never once gave out. Man that was great. They pounded away making my new bass sound so sweet. We ended our show on B and I rode an open B to end out. Man that sound comming out of the cabinets was AWESOME!!!

 

[iriegnome]

I almost always have PA support, but usually it is not good quality, just loud. I spoke to Jorg and he said he could hook me up with the 310212 that I am looking at...

I would like to just get some peoples opinions on the cabs sound compared to some other well known cabs?

This last summer, we played and opened for some major nation acts. Keller Williams, Jerry Garcia Band, Particle, Arrested Development and more. My Schroeder Mini-12 on top of a 1212 driven by my SWR Bass 750 Drove more than enough to be heard all across the stage. Plus with PA support I am sure I am pretty set with just the 2 cabinets. I would, however, like to pick up a 21012 for a Full Range of tones. At Harvest Fest in MN, the crowd was about 5,000 and GGG the crowd hovered about 3,000.

 

[troll]

I've given several mini reviews of the 3101212 throughout this thread, but I've had a lot more time with the cab since. Unfortuntely only had it to a few gigs, but it has killed each and every one.

Most of it's life has been in a decent sized practice room with one guitar, a really loud hard hitting drummer and a decently loud singer. I barely push it past about half gain that my 1600 watt power amp can deliver and they like me loud in the mix. I run a rather flat hifi sound with just enough lows to feel it and be punchy but not overwhelming (which I actually CUT lows on the pre to obtain this).

I got to push it once on a large stage in a decent sized room (500+ people if it were full) and the stage was really dead, so I got to add a lot of bottom end without getting boomy and I could feel it in my feet, my chest, everwhere I went on stage and it was glorious. I was still barely pushing it past 3/4 and it was still clean and had much more left in it.

And well, that's the point as to why I went with it. Even though my old ampeg bxt stack was loud and quite hifi, it tended to break up at some of those volumes that I needed to run it at sometimes, especially in the low end. Would a 1210 or 410 done the job and replaced it? Yeah probably, but I feel I would have pushing it too hard most of the time and possibly suffering tone just a bit and beating it up constantly, bye bye potential head room. And that's what it's really about. I don't want to have to push my stuff to be heard, that's when things start going downhill.

I've never had to push this cab or my rack, and that's what gives me comfort. The fact that it sounds amazing and cuts through like a knife is just a bonus.

I couldn't get that with the same amount of power shoved through two bxt's, and they weighed more!

I do want a 1210 for practice or small gigs maybe, or have considered trying a 1212/1210 stack which would be easier to move around and might deliver similiar punch and headroom to the 3101212 with not quite as much volume, which should be fine ALthough every time I move it, and I still don't have casters, I don't regret it one bit. It's volume and tone are more than worth it. I shake my head at all those years I schlepped the heavier bxt cabs around instead...

I hope that helps anyone.

 

[Son of Bovril]

thanx for the newer mini review troll, it was very helpfull. I think I might just shell out for the 310212...

It will definately beat carrying around an 810 or the like to gigs!