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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)

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lo-freq said:
I'd love to hear your system.

I like you, went from an HT322 to the Schroe 410, but my decision wasn't based on lack of volume as I have 1600W to abuse... :bassist:
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I'll see about getting a recording at some point. I really need a bass now that is up to par with the rest of the system (GAS excuse), but that will have to wait for awhile. I loved the Aggie head with the Steelsound 2 x 12, I can't wait for the next practice to try out the Schroeder.

The Berg was a nice cabinet, but it was heavy, heavier than the Schroeder 4 x 10. It doesn't match up spec wise or price wise. The Mesa was also a nice sounding amp, but just couldn't do it in a small club. I had the main all the way up and the pre at 3:00 and it just wasn't getting it done. Maybe it was defective, I don't know. Hopefully all the Mesa lovers won't thrash me now!

1600W? That should be enough!
 
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I'm using the Focus 600 watt at 4 ohm, from what I've read, liberally rated, so to speak, meaning not as loud as other amps of similar or even lesser volumes (Thunderfunk for instance). With the gain control at around 11:00 at the highest, I've not been able to turn up the master volume, either when using my 1210 or 410, past 1:00 without being too loud on stage. The gain and volume controls start at 7:00 and end at 5:00.

Doesn't mean that more wattage wouldn't make for even a better tone or maybe kick in the jet stream sooner?, but, although I'm not necessarily a Mesa fan, I can't understand why the 600 Pulse couldn't adequately push your Bergie or a Schroeder. Mesa doesn't tend to overrate their power/wattage, and if my "underrated" Focus is tres loud, I can't understand why your Mesa wouldn't be, at minimum decent volume, especially with the Schroeder cab.

My only comment to add to this recent discussion on weight, if there was a way to not only make Schroeder cabinets and contents continue to sound great (to a lotta our ears) AND save about 7 to 10 pounds per speaker using NEO's, I would be, as said before, first in line to buy the replacements, regardless of the fact that the cabinets just ain't that heavy to start with. But lightening up the 410 by 28 pounds, takin' down to the lower 50's with similar handling, tone, and efficiency would be another great accomplishment for the gigging musician.

But in the meantime, I'm using my 410 through the rest of the year's gigs except for our Cleveland House of Blues restaurant gig where the 1210 was completely and amazingly acceptable without shlepping the extra 30 pounds of the 410 around. I need to blow some dust out of the 410 having not used it live for a couple of months now, but the remaining gigs, other than the one above, are in larger, echoey, crappola sounding rooms, where more volume and punch are needed to be heard on stage than 1210 comfortably creates using my gig rig.

LKaye
 
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Larry Kaye said:
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Doesn't mean that more wattage wouldn't make for even a better tone or maybe kick in the jet stream sooner?, but, although I'm not necessarily a Mesa fan, I can't understand why the 600 Pulse couldn't adequately push your Bergie or a Schroeder. Mesa doesn't tend to overrate their power/wattage, and if my "underrated" Focus is tres loud, I can't understand why your Mesa wouldn't be, at minimum decent volume, especially with the Schroeder cab.

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LKaye
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I understand why the MegaPulse 600 didn't drive the HT322 really well.

That cab needs some serious power to get the juices flowing.

I don't think he mentioned trying it with the Schroeder and I suspect it would have done fine with any of the Schroeder cabs.

[Hi; I'm anal and I just wanted to clarify. :) ]
 
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I wasn't sure but really, I didn't think the Mesa was tried out with the Schroeder. It couldn't have been!!! The other guys on the Megathread who have Mesa's be them the hybrids or the 400+ have said nothing but good things and none complained about a lack of volume, even with the 300 watter walkabouts.

I wasn't aware that this particular Bergie cabinet, or maybe the entire model/line (the NV's), not the other front vented group of cabs, were that inefficient where a strong 600 watt head couldn't generate a pretty darn decent amount of volume. Even if they didn't have 104 or 103 spl ratings, it's still puzzling, and thankfully not a problem that I'm dealing with using my setup, but here is an instance where a 410 Schroeder is perceived to be louder than a higher end 610 cabinet.

Obviously there's a difference in tone, but if ya like the Schroe tone to begin with, these other benefits (volume, size, weight, price) are icing on the cake.

LKaye
 
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SnoBassMan said:
Thanks, I've already kinda ran into that problem though. I had to reset and drill new holes for the rails when I got the rack because I couldn't put the faceplate on with my Bmax and DBX compressor.

I plan on getting a carvin poweramp unless a good deal comes along, so I should be in good shape.
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I was browsing this megathread and noticed this comment. I have a BBE Bmax so I took interest in your comment that the case cover wouldn't fit because of the BMax and another unit. I'm kind of surprised because the knobs on the BMax don't stick out very far. Could you confirm for me that, in fact, a Schroeder rack cover wont fit with a BMax in it, and if so, did you have any issues/problems with 'redrilling' your rack?

Thanks,

John
 
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lo-freq said:
I understand why the MegaPulse 600 didn't drive the HT322 really well.

That cab needs some serious power to get the juices flowing.

I don't think he mentioned trying it with the Schroeder and I suspect it would have done fine with any of the Schroeder cabs.

[Hi; I'm anal and I just wanted to clarify. :) ]
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You are correct sir!. I did not try it with the Schroeder cabinet. I asked Jorg what he used (Aggie DB 750). I tried it and really liked it. Based upon what I hear with my 212 compared to the Schroeder 410, I suspect you may be correct about the Berg requiring more power to get going. My instructor uses the samer Berg. with an Ampeg SVT4 Pro. They sound very good together but that thing is like a 1000 watts or more.

If the guy at the music store wasn't such a smuck to me about returning the cabinet, I might have kept the amp and tried it with the Schroeder. As heavy as that 410 is that Berg is heavier. I also thought for $2,400 between the head and the cab I should be able to be heard in a 1000 sq. ft. bar, albeit a loud one. Honestly, those two pieces together could not keep up with the house band bass player's GK 700 RB and a GK 410. As was mentioned, the Mesa and Berg might just have been a mismatch. I also can't knock the tone of the Mesa and Berg together it sounded really good.
 
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Larry Kaye said:
I wasn't sure but really, I didn't think the Mesa was tried out with the Schroeder. It couldn't have been!!! The other guys on the Megathread who have Mesa's be them the hybrids or the 400+ have said nothing but good things and none complained about a lack of volume, even with the 300 watter walkabouts.

I wasn't aware that this particular Bergie cabinet, or maybe the entire model/line (the NV's), not the other front vented group of cabs, were that inefficient where a strong 600 watt head couldn't generate a pretty darn decent amount of volume. Even if they didn't have 104 or 103 spl ratings, it's still puzzling, and thankfully not a problem that I'm dealing with using my setup, but here is an instance where a 410 Schroeder is perceived to be louder than a higher end 610 cabinet.

Obviously there's a difference in tone, but if ya like the Schroe tone to begin with, these other benefits (volume, size, weight, price) are icing on the cake.

LKaye
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I know I'm not the first guy, but I use my 1212 with my 400+ and have no problem with power. I don't turn my master past 5, and my pre-amp volumes are seldom past 3.5 or so.

I know that Jorg used a 400+ with his cabs for a while too.
 
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jnprather said:
I was browsing this megathread and noticed this comment. I have a BBE Bmax so I took interest in your comment that the case cover wouldn't fit because of the BMax and another unit. I'm kind of surprised because the knobs on the BMax don't stick out very far. Could you confirm for me that, in fact, a Schroeder rack cover wont fit with a BMax in it, and if so, did you have any issues/problems with 'redrilling' your rack?

Thanks,

John
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First off, I'm loving my Bmax with the 1210. Now that I have my carvin(even unbridged) my setup is a monster.


The rack cover didn't fit, but it was terribly easy to fix. Just redrill a few holes, you can't even see the old holes.

Don't allow this to make you reconsider the rack. The fix is too easy, and the rack looks waaaaaay too cool on top of his cabs to not buy one.
 
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Hey Burning Skies.....I know that several of you Mesa 400+ tuber dudes really liked it mixed with the Schroeder cabs. What's cool about your example is that you're using a medium sized, 1212 cabinet, not the 410, 21012, or 310212 and it looks like from your settings that the amp isn't breakin' much of a sweat for the cabinet to produce the volume you're looking for, yes?

Lkaye
 
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Larry Kaye said:
Hey Burning Skies.....I know that several of you Mesa 400+ tuber dudes really liked it mixed with the Schroeder cabs. What's cool about your example is that you're using a medium sized, 1212 cabinet, not the 410, 21012, or 310212 and it looks like from your settings that the amp isn't breakin' much of a sweat for the cabinet to produce the volume you're looking for, yes?

Lkaye
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Hey Larry, you're right.

I don't push my Mesa very hard at all and it gets 'complaint' loud if'n I'm any louder than the settings I've mentioned. Over the summer I played a few gigs that were outdoors and without any bass in the front end PA (parties, weddings and a few festivals)...and I still had no problem with getting loud enough volume for both stage and front end and could keep things clean, which is my end goal.

For a while I used a 500w 112 with the 1212, and I had to stop because it distorted at volume and the 1212 was staying clean. I could get louder cleaner with the 1212 by itself...and still have my amp at no more than 5's.

I probably push a bit more power than some do with similar 400+ settings though...as I use a LOT of low end (reggae gig).

It took me a while to get used to the setup...more because I had played for 12 years with the same 4x10 that had a very traditional sound (big, washy lows, not much definition). Now I have big warm lows but they're 'directed' and much more focused. It definitely took me a while to not miss that big pillow of fat low end.

I walked away from a medium sized theatre gig the other night feeling like I couldn't be happier with the 1212/Mesa combo.

Another great thing about the small cab: a bar gig last month, our keyboard player arrived 45 minutes late for stage time. We played on time, but the stage looked funny and unbalanced as the guitar player and I were on the same side and the far side was completely empty. Half a song in, I moved across to the empty side (the angled driver of the 1212 was NOT facing me), and I could hear myself perfectly. I played 40 minutes, on the other side of the stage without having to turn up for volume or tone.
 
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Larry Kaye said:
Hey Burning Skies.....I know that several of you Mesa 400+ tuber dudes really liked it mixed with the Schroeder cabs. What's cool about your example is that you're using a medium sized, 1212 cabinet, not the 410, 21012, or 310212 and it looks like from your settings that the amp isn't breakin' much of a sweat for the cabinet to produce the volume you're looking for, yes?

Lkaye
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my favorite single cab with my all tube head is my 1212. 80% of the time now that is what I run.
 
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Larry Kaye said:
Hey Burning Skies.....I know that several of you Mesa 400+ tuber dudes really liked it mixed with the Schroeder cabs. What's cool about your example is that you're using a medium sized, 1212 cabinet, not the 410, 21012, or 310212 and it looks like from your settings that the amp isn't breakin' much of a sweat for the cabinet to produce the volume you're looking for, yes?

Lkaye
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I also need to point out that back before the Schroeders, when we talked about a 'medium sized cab' we were probably referencing a 1x15 or a 4x10 cab...a 2x10 would have been considered a 'small cab', and a 8x10 would have been a 'large cab'.

Now, the 'big' cab is the size (or smaller) of a traditional 4x10 or 1x15! And the medium cab is the size of many 2x10 cabs.

My 'medium' sized rig is no taller than my knee and my medium sized cab can sit in my back seat with room for a person and some other gear back there too.
 
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