Nick man said:
If 900 watts is not enough against one 100w half-stack, then your guitarist probably needs to turn down...
My guess would be a 410. Maybe even one might suffice. If not, then 410 + 21012 maybe...
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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)
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If 900 watts is not enough against one 100w half-stack, then your guitarist probably needs to turn down...
My guess would be a 410. Maybe even one might suffice. If not, then 410 + 21012 maybe...
Ericman197 said:
Dude, you'll never need 4. Not unless you intend to play Giants Stadium anytime soon... You could get 4 just 'cuz it would look cool. And then you could do a Spinal Tap and plug only half of them in.
CrazySean said:Dude, you'll never need 4. Not unless you intend to play Giants Stadium anytime soon... You could get 4 just 'cuz it would look cool. And then you could do a Spinal Tap and plug only half of them in.
Well, I'm not really sure what I'll need... I'll have to wait until the cabinets get here. The problem is that for whatever reason, I've never been quite as loud as I've wanted to be without having enough spare headroom. 700 watts into my Avatar 2x12" ( Same 12" speakers but very different design ) was not loud enough. 600 watts into my Avatar 2x12" and 600 watts into my Acme Low B-4 was enough most of the time. 700 watts into 2 Eden 410XLT's was more than enough, BUT, those cabs were incredibly heavy. I don't really mind having a ton of small cabs, but one large cab? Forget it; I just won't be able to lift it. There's also another long winded and complicated reason, but that has more to do with my obsessive compulsive ways than actual logic
Like I said, It was a large room so the levels were actually pretty good. Besides, even if he needs to turn down, that doesnt mean he will.CrazySean said:
I'll have to wait and see what happens.
Just got back from a DFW area TB get-together.
Jorg was there with a 1210 and a 21012; both cabs were amazing.
The amount of sound coming out of the 1210 was incredible --deep, tight, powerful, with good balance top to bottom.
If you like a real tight subwoofer + punchy 10's & smooth tweeter sound, you'll love the 21012.
Luckily, I still like the overall sound of my 410 the best.
I got to hear Biker4Him's Read Purity + Stew W2.1 into the Schroeder's as well (including mine) -- very nice indeed!
Jorg was there with a 1210 and a 21012; both cabs were amazing.
The amount of sound coming out of the 1210 was incredible --deep, tight, powerful, with good balance top to bottom.
If you like a real tight subwoofer + punchy 10's & smooth tweeter sound, you'll love the 21012.
Luckily, I still like the overall sound of my 410 the best.
I got to hear Biker4Him's Read Purity + Stew W2.1 into the Schroeder's as well (including mine) -- very nice indeed!
Another believer here. I was at the DFW get together too. That 1210 is amazing! I have never heard so much volume, and low, deep bass, coming from such a small box! I need to sell some stuff and order one ASAP!
Jorg I must say this is killing me. I'm on the wrong side of the world and my curiosity is getting stronger and stronger, due largely to the amount of positive reviews. No one has posted anything that resembles a criticism, meaning these cabs are either close to perfect, or people aren't giving "warts & all" reviews. I've been a TB'er long enough now to know that as a community, the members are not usually backwards in coming forwards. If these cabs did have any negative points, they would have been (politely) mentioned by now. So I'm going to do something I've never done before without actualy hearing the product, and give Jorg a bit pat on the back for a job well done!
embellisher said:
w00t! I had a gig tonight... had a couple players ask what else I was runnin' 
they thought there was a house sub or something. It was a coffee house show with about 150 in the room... the acoustic guitar and voice running thru an rmx2450 and a pair of JBL 2 ways, lead thru a 2x12 boogie (mostly clean, Rusty is a Trey/Phish head), me with my 1210/Crown CE1000/Yamaha pre/fretless Benavente....I'm still amazed how my 1210 fills a room
I want another for leetness but honestly cannot see the need!
James,
I play in a loud rock band. My guitarist uses a Line 6 amp, 2x12 150 watts. Les Paul, with distortion 90% of the time.
Do you think a 1210 would be loud enough for clubs that hold up to 600 people?
I play in a loud rock band. My guitarist uses a Line 6 amp, 2x12 150 watts. Les Paul, with distortion 90% of the time.
Do you think a 1210 would be loud enough for clubs that hold up to 600 people?
embellisher said:
Definately. but if the Kick is mic'ed You might want PA support too.
I doubt a kit and a screaming 150watt guitarist would overcome a 1210
FYI: I was running the Crown 1/2 throttle. The volume on the Yamaha was on 2+ a hair and the Benavente pre was all sitting @ center click.
I dunno... I haven't yet received my cabs, so I can't really say for sure, but I don't know if a 1210 would be loud enough. After all, a guitar 2x12" is going to have a lot more speaker area. It could work if you're pumping a lot of clean wattage into it though, but keep in mind that it is only a 12" and 10" speaker combination. For a very loud situation, I'd go with 2 1210's, a 21012, or a 410.
Also consider that the Line 6 is a solid state 150 watt amp. One of my guitarist in the past used a Line 6 half stack and it was loud, but not insanely loud.
Im curious to see how that amp works for that situation too Embelisher.
Im curious to see how that amp works for that situation too Embelisher.
Nick man said:
Y'know, that's always been my litmus test. "If I was in a death metal band that's hard of hearing, how will this cab stack up?"
I gotta say, I'm a bit intrgued by these cabs...
Brendan said:
Two big cabs w/900W each could bury anything else (picture the audience hearing a bass solo with a bit of background noise from the rest of the band).
One large cab w/1600W or two small cabs ('cept I haven't heard the 1010's yet) w/800W each would be plenty for any club situation and most outdoor gigs as well.
My bandmates have a Marshall 100W half stack and a Blue Voodoo 120W half stack and I can bury them with my 410 and 1600W (...but ears will be bleading).
Now I can tell my rythym guitarist, "I'll turn down if you'll cut the bass boost on your Marshall".
[He loves a super heavy sound out of his setup, but it just muddies the whole band sound.]
lo-freq said:
Impressive. The only problem with being heard for me is that I tend to ignore the sensible rules of loudness ( ie cutting sub lows and boosting upper mids ). If I'm not feeling the sub lows, then it's not working.
Ericman197 said:Impressive. The only problem with being heard for me is that I tend to ignore the sensible rules of loudness ( ie cutting sub lows and boosting upper mids ). If I'm not feeling the sub lows, then it's not working.
Oh, you'll feel the lows.
At the DFW GTG, the 1210 pushed by a RBI into a DCM600 was shaking clouds of dust down off the rafters of Pete Skjolds wood workshop (he's a luthier in Lewisville).
Lows are wonderful as long as there's only one source (the bassist).
...but I have learned to boost or cut depending on the acoustics of the venue. The problem with a boomy environment is: "mud you can feel is still mud". In that case, I just replace the extreme low-end volume for upper-bass punch (which you can still feel).
Just checking to let you all know that I still plan to go ahead with the great Schroeder, Acme, Euphonic taste test where we compare a Schroeder 1210, an Acme Low B2, and an EA CXL-112 to each other as powered by an iamp800, a Stewart World 1.2/Demeter, and other sources. (Slinkp and jivekr: I hope youre still up for it!) However, as that wont happen for at least a few more days, here are some early experiences with the 1210 cab.
Last week I took the 1210 and an iamp800 to a rehearsal studio on 30th street known for having this particular bass rig in most of their rooms: Aguilar DB680 tube preamp into a Lab.Gruppen FP Series 3400 power amp powering 2 Epifani T-410 bass cabinets. If you live in New York you probably know which place Im talking about. I was rehearsing with a drummer and two guitarists who both played through Fender twins (far too loudly I might add!
). I like a lot of low frequencies in my bass sound lots going on below 50 hz, and there was enough of those frequencies to keep me happy. At no point did I feel a desire to switch over to the house rig, although Im sure that it probably could produce more volume: after all we are talking about an 8X10 stack vs. a 1210!
Thursday I played with these same guys in a midtown bar, I used the same iamp800/120 rig; the guitarists used a Vox AC30 and a Mesa Boogie 1x12 of some sort. My rig was more than adequate for the job.
From the perspective of how it sounds my initial impression listening at home was that its flat sound was OK, but not earth shatteringly great. However, it took EQ much better than most cabs Ive used and I was able to get a terrific sound once I rolled off a bit of 500 hz and 800 hz. Since it took EQ so well, I suspect that it would be relatively easy for most people to get a sound that worked for them out of this cab.
Heres whats exciting, though: Once I cranked the 1210 up a bit more and brought it to the larger spaces of the rehearsal room and the bar, I no longer rolled it off at 500 and 800 hz. (I still kept the deep switch engaged though what can I say, I like those deep vibrations! ) The sound was right there and by no means was the Schroeder anywhere near maxed out. Further more, not only did it sound really good, but it maintained that same sound pretty much everywhere in the room, which is very hard for any cabinet, let alone a small one, to do.
Admittedly this is a fairly vague description of the cab, but at the time I was too busy playing to give it much thought beyond hey! This sounds pretty good!. After the multi bass cab taste test, I hope to have something more specific for you. However, I already can say at this point that it has IMHO proven to be very worthy of most bassists' consideration.
Last week I took the 1210 and an iamp800 to a rehearsal studio on 30th street known for having this particular bass rig in most of their rooms: Aguilar DB680 tube preamp into a Lab.Gruppen FP Series 3400 power amp powering 2 Epifani T-410 bass cabinets. If you live in New York you probably know which place Im talking about. I was rehearsing with a drummer and two guitarists who both played through Fender twins (far too loudly I might add!
). I like a lot of low frequencies in my bass sound lots going on below 50 hz, and there was enough of those frequencies to keep me happy. At no point did I feel a desire to switch over to the house rig, although Im sure that it probably could produce more volume: after all we are talking about an 8X10 stack vs. a 1210!Thursday I played with these same guys in a midtown bar, I used the same iamp800/120 rig; the guitarists used a Vox AC30 and a Mesa Boogie 1x12 of some sort. My rig was more than adequate for the job.
From the perspective of how it sounds my initial impression listening at home was that its flat sound was OK, but not earth shatteringly great. However, it took EQ much better than most cabs Ive used and I was able to get a terrific sound once I rolled off a bit of 500 hz and 800 hz. Since it took EQ so well, I suspect that it would be relatively easy for most people to get a sound that worked for them out of this cab.
Heres whats exciting, though: Once I cranked the 1210 up a bit more and brought it to the larger spaces of the rehearsal room and the bar, I no longer rolled it off at 500 and 800 hz. (I still kept the deep switch engaged though what can I say, I like those deep vibrations!
) The sound was right there and by no means was the Schroeder anywhere near maxed out. Further more, not only did it sound really good, but it maintained that same sound pretty much everywhere in the room, which is very hard for any cabinet, let alone a small one, to do. Admittedly this is a fairly vague description of the cab, but at the time I was too busy playing to give it much thought beyond hey! This sounds pretty good!. After the multi bass cab taste test, I hope to have something more specific for you. However, I already can say at this point that it has IMHO proven to be very worthy of most bassists' consideration.
Scooperman said:
Cool! Can't wait.
Thanks for the preliminary -- jives with my impressions so far.
Scooperman said:
This is my rig! It's nice to know that the fancy New York bassists are using the same stuff as a bonehead in the desert. This thread will never die as long as someone else hears these in person.
Blueszilla said:
I also have an old Demeter VTB-201 (1 1/2 space) preamp and a QSC 1602 and Stewart 1.2, so I might use those instead, but I love the portability of the iamp800 and it really does sound fantastic through everything I've hooked it up to.
Yeah, it's kinda funny that I see even much more Walter Woods stuff here than EA, given that EA is based "next door" in New Jersey. Aguilar is from New York, though, and I see plenty of those. For the most part you see the same stuff in New York as elswhere, athough there's a lot less Carvin stuff, mainly because mail order gear tends to be less popular here because of the proximity to music stores. The biggest difference about New York is that fewer people have cars, so rigs tend to be smaller, although those that have their own practice spaces, especially if they play heavier rock, will sometimes have an SVT or the like.
New Yorkers will love the portability of the Schroeders, particularly the smaller cab, and will probably be willing to buy them long distance, but if Jorg wants to sell a bunch of them here, getting them into one of the local boutique stores like Rudy's will make a huge difference.
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