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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)
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More notes after further comparisons. (Also note I addeda c couple points via edit to my previous review above).
- does anyone else's Schroeder have a sweet smell to it? I mean literally sweet.
- points for the handles being near the top, and they have finger grooves on the inside. comfy. with my Ruxxac destroyed (see the "Old lady destroyed my Ruxxac" thread), I was still able to cart this cab one-handed with a bass strapped 'round my back. the handle placement near the top of the cab makes for easier carrying than if they were down the middle.
- today I compared it to a Music Man Audiophile 2x10.
- here are the specs of the HD 210 :
HD-210
One Super Tweeter
Sensitivity [1W/1m] - 105dB
Voice Coil Diameter - 1" (25mm)
Dispersion - 80º conical
Diaphragm Material - Phenolic
Two 10" Bass Drivers
Sensitivity [1W/1m] - 98.5 dB
Vioce Coil Diameter - 2.55" (65mm)
Winding Material - Aluminum
Former Material - Glass Fiber
Magnet Diameter - 6" (155mm)
Driver Impedance - 16 ohms
Enclosure Specifications
Enclosure Impedance - 8 ohms
Crossover Frequency - 3kHz
Frequency Response - -3dB @ 50Hz and 20kHz
Max Power Handling - 350 Watts RMS
Connections - (2) Speakon Jacks and (1) 1/4" Phone Jack
Size - 24"(w) x 17.5" (h) x 18" (d)
Weight - 64 lbs.
- the Schroeder is just a slight bit smaller in all directions, but the 15 pounds less weight makes all the difference. the Audiophile cab is not easy to manipulate. wouldn't surprise me if it actually weighs 75 lbs, 'cause even my larger 60 lb Ashdown combo was much easier to move. the handles on the MM cab (those damn spring-loaded pop-out kind) don't help either, but I digress.
- the MM cab has a massive phat bottom end, despite the -3db at 50 Hz spec, it has an almost subsonic big bottom. very loud too.
- this time I used a Yorkville 400b amp and some old Trace amp rated at something like 125 watts but it's way louder than that spec suggests.
- this time the agressive vibe I attributed to the Schroeder a few posts above was not as evident. maybe it was more about the amp and basses last time.
- the Schroeder seemed to have a darker voice. The thing with these Audiophile series cabs are that the tweeter doesn't attenuate as this was meant to be done via the onboard control on the HD-500 head these were meant to be paired with. With the Schroeder having the tweeter turned all the way up (you can actually do this without horrible sounds that make your fillings pop out) it had a similar timbre to the MM.
- Schroeder was louder, or maybe should say it had more "oomph". more punch. the lows on the MM are big and pillowy, and maybe the Schroeder was voiced very slightly higher, but was much more defined, and rattled things in the room considerably.
- I used an active J bass, and with the bass boosted totally, slapping on the lows, with the amps on 5 pre and 5 master (about all I could stand at close range) it didn't fart out or sound like it was being pushed hard. Neither did the MM cab.
Conclusion - I really love that MM cab, especially for the price they could be had when Music Man blew them out (one of the best gear deals ever), but I gotta say I prefer the Schroeder in size, weight, and holds its own in sound. I didn't think the Schroeder had a chance against it, if I'm honest.
The MM is tougher physically (as it's greater weight suggests), but neither should implode via normal wear and tear or even if dropped a reasonable distance (say from carrying height). Is the Schroeder worth the considerably more it costs than the MM if you're on a budget? Not tonally or functionally as they're very similar in these respects, but those 15 pounds (probably 25 in reality) sure as hell are worth it.
If you're on a budget (and have help carting gear) you can pay a combined total of $350 for a MonoBlock II and an Audiphile 2x10 and want for nothing. I have that rig too and it's a killer in size, price, and function. Me, I'm glad I also spent the extra on the Schroeder and iAmp 800 for a rig I can easily move on my own. The difference in price is insurance against back surgery later on (*knock wood*). I can carry the heavier stuff, I just don't want to. Sweating is for gig's end, not for load-in.
A friend was at the spot I tested in tonight. Very knowledgeable guy of all things music gear and works at a major importer of gear which it's his job to tweak before it goes to retailers. He couldn't believe it was a 2x12 in that little box. When I showed him, he figured "it must sacrifice the lows, eh?". But he didn't think so after we played it.
- does anyone else's Schroeder have a sweet smell to it? I mean literally sweet.
- points for the handles being near the top, and they have finger grooves on the inside. comfy. with my Ruxxac destroyed (see the "Old lady destroyed my Ruxxac" thread), I was still able to cart this cab one-handed with a bass strapped 'round my back. the handle placement near the top of the cab makes for easier carrying than if they were down the middle.
- today I compared it to a Music Man Audiophile 2x10.
- here are the specs of the HD 210 :
HD-210
One Super Tweeter
Sensitivity [1W/1m] - 105dB
Voice Coil Diameter - 1" (25mm)
Dispersion - 80º conical
Diaphragm Material - Phenolic
Two 10" Bass Drivers
Sensitivity [1W/1m] - 98.5 dB
Vioce Coil Diameter - 2.55" (65mm)
Winding Material - Aluminum
Former Material - Glass Fiber
Magnet Diameter - 6" (155mm)
Driver Impedance - 16 ohms
Enclosure Specifications
Enclosure Impedance - 8 ohms
Crossover Frequency - 3kHz
Frequency Response - -3dB @ 50Hz and 20kHz
Max Power Handling - 350 Watts RMS
Connections - (2) Speakon Jacks and (1) 1/4" Phone Jack
Size - 24"(w) x 17.5" (h) x 18" (d)
Weight - 64 lbs.
- the Schroeder is just a slight bit smaller in all directions, but the 15 pounds less weight makes all the difference. the Audiophile cab is not easy to manipulate. wouldn't surprise me if it actually weighs 75 lbs, 'cause even my larger 60 lb Ashdown combo was much easier to move. the handles on the MM cab (those damn spring-loaded pop-out kind) don't help either, but I digress.
- the MM cab has a massive phat bottom end, despite the -3db at 50 Hz spec, it has an almost subsonic big bottom. very loud too.
- this time I used a Yorkville 400b amp and some old Trace amp rated at something like 125 watts but it's way louder than that spec suggests.
- this time the agressive vibe I attributed to the Schroeder a few posts above was not as evident. maybe it was more about the amp and basses last time.
- the Schroeder seemed to have a darker voice. The thing with these Audiophile series cabs are that the tweeter doesn't attenuate as this was meant to be done via the onboard control on the HD-500 head these were meant to be paired with. With the Schroeder having the tweeter turned all the way up (you can actually do this without horrible sounds that make your fillings pop out) it had a similar timbre to the MM.
- Schroeder was louder, or maybe should say it had more "oomph". more punch. the lows on the MM are big and pillowy, and maybe the Schroeder was voiced very slightly higher, but was much more defined, and rattled things in the room considerably.
- I used an active J bass, and with the bass boosted totally, slapping on the lows, with the amps on 5 pre and 5 master (about all I could stand at close range) it didn't fart out or sound like it was being pushed hard. Neither did the MM cab.
Conclusion - I really love that MM cab, especially for the price they could be had when Music Man blew them out (one of the best gear deals ever), but I gotta say I prefer the Schroeder in size, weight, and holds its own in sound. I didn't think the Schroeder had a chance against it, if I'm honest.
The MM is tougher physically (as it's greater weight suggests), but neither should implode via normal wear and tear or even if dropped a reasonable distance (say from carrying height). Is the Schroeder worth the considerably more it costs than the MM if you're on a budget? Not tonally or functionally as they're very similar in these respects, but those 15 pounds (probably 25 in reality) sure as hell are worth it.
If you're on a budget (and have help carting gear) you can pay a combined total of $350 for a MonoBlock II and an Audiphile 2x10 and want for nothing. I have that rig too and it's a killer in size, price, and function. Me, I'm glad I also spent the extra on the Schroeder and iAmp 800 for a rig I can easily move on my own. The difference in price is insurance against back surgery later on (*knock wood*). I can carry the heavier stuff, I just don't want to. Sweating is for gig's end, not for load-in.
A friend was at the spot I tested in tonight. Very knowledgeable guy of all things music gear and works at a major importer of gear which it's his job to tweak before it goes to retailers. He couldn't believe it was a 2x12 in that little box. When I showed him, he figured "it must sacrifice the lows, eh?". But he didn't think so after we played it.
- Apr 3, 2003
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I was wondering if you still had your Walkabout, now that you have gone the iAMP route! How does the Walkabout sound with the Schroeder?SMASH said:Couple more good points in re: Schroeders.
The logo is affixed via screws *and* some gummy compound to bind it to the grills (still easily removed if need be). This prevents rattling, a problem I've had on some cabs whose logos are only affixed via screws, though you don't see that much anymore.
Same thing with the big rubber stoppers in the 4 corners, through while the grill is screwed to the cab. A small thing, but good for preventing rattles and such.
EDITic of mine attached. The back of the two cabs are flush so you can see the size diff with the GS112.
LMAO!SMASH said:Have you seen the size of the power supply in these things? There's almost nothing else inside, and it just tips that way on its own.
That is so true.
Why is that logo plate sticked on front of tweeter port? Is it your tweeter damping mod Smash? Or just for better look? Or a new standard feature? (please no..)SMASH said:EDIT
I want to order mine soon...
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That is exactly what I would have suspected.SMASH said:
The Walkabout never seemed to really come into its own with an 8 ohm cab, IMHO. 4 ohm, or better yet 2.67 ohm, seemed to really bring it to life, and at these higher output scenarios, it's scary loud for a little 300w amp!SMASH said:
This was my quandry as well, after I picked up the iAMP. I was able to get optimum tone out of the Walkabout very easily (everything set flat, adjust Bass to cab/room, and tweak Middle knob slightly), and at first I had difficulty finding that perfect setting with the iAMP, but once I became more comfortable with the EQ on the iAMP, I found myself using the Walkabout less and less. All the same, though, I just can't bring myself to get rid of it. And I don't think that I will. For one, I just love the tube overdrive that you can get out of it. With my active 5-string, it's just okay. But with my passive Thunderbird, the overdrive is way phat! Also, after spending some time finding the right tubes for it (I went with Telefunken & JJ 12AX7's), and then adding the speakon jack and unbalanced line out (which can also be a tuner out), I feel like I've invested so much time and thought into it, I don't really want to let it go.SMASH said:
And then of course, there's the Walter Woods...
But hey, if you read my "gear justification" thread, I did need to use all three (iAMP 800, Walkabout, & Walter Woods Ultra) at our last gig, so it looks like I'll just keep all three!
i'm kinda hoping that they (he?) designs a new badge. personally the yellow gym-like (crunch anyone?) appearance is something i can do without, but the dust cap signature is pretty sweet.
- Aug 25, 2004
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Hi all ... my first TB post...so bear with me!
I'm expecting a 1212 around the end of next week...
Current rig:
-Trace V-type preamp
-Mackie 1400 power amp
-Epifani 2x12 (old rectangular one)
and lotsa lotsa basses...(will the GAS never end?)
I plan to do an extensive A/B with the Schroeder and Epifani,
and will post the results as soon as I'm convinced of them.
Echoing prior comments, Jorg is very nice and very helpful...
every company should be this easy to deal with.
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Quick self-intro (it's my first post, dont'cha know!)
I'm a full-time bass builder with Veillette Guitars,
and I also build my own basses on the side (you can
see a couple of my basses in Brian Barrett's Bass gallery
under my name...hi Brian!) I also play in 4 bands, playing
bluegrass, loud fusion, Creedence-y blues-rock, and Brazilian.
Peace, all....glad to finally be a part of this forum!
Cheers,
Martin Keith
I'm expecting a 1212 around the end of next week...
Current rig:
-Trace V-type preamp
-Mackie 1400 power amp
-Epifani 2x12 (old rectangular one)
and lotsa lotsa basses...(will the GAS never end?)
I plan to do an extensive A/B with the Schroeder and Epifani,
and will post the results as soon as I'm convinced of them.
Echoing prior comments, Jorg is very nice and very helpful...
every company should be this easy to deal with.
-------------
Quick self-intro (it's my first post, dont'cha know!)
I'm a full-time bass builder with Veillette Guitars,
and I also build my own basses on the side (you can
see a couple of my basses in Brian Barrett's Bass gallery
under my name...hi Brian!) I also play in 4 bands, playing
bluegrass, loud fusion, Creedence-y blues-rock, and Brazilian.
Peace, all....glad to finally be a part of this forum!
Cheers,
Martin Keith
Keith Guitars said:
Welcome aboard!!! I hope you enjoy your visits... I'm really interested in hearing what your thoughts, regarding yor a/b comparision... once you've done it, that is...
Also, I gotta ask,,, you're from Wisconsin,, huh?
McHack said:
Welcome! Although I would have assumed that you live near Woodstock, NY, where Veillette basses are made, not Wisconsin!
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In the other thread, I discussed having to run our own sound using a whole lot of bass gear. But the short answer is that the iAMP 800 powered my rig (Accugroove Whappo, Jr. and Tri 210L), the Walter Woods powered the high frequency cabs (I had the mains tri-amped), and the Walkabout with my Hevos Midget served as a backup guitar rig when our lead guitar player's amp started acting funny.CrazySean said:You used all three at once?!
JSCHRO7376
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SMASH The tweeter on these isn't at all harsh. Anyone know about these tweeters vs. more common ones? Or are these common and I've just not run accross them? Some might be disappointed that the tweeters in the Schroeders aren't as ... obvious .. as in some cabs (say the tweeters on the GS112). [/QUOTE said:
JSCHRO7376I decided to go with titanium tweeter horns to avoid a brittle and harsh high end sound. Besides being quite more expensive than common foster horns said:
JSCHRO7376
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JSCHRO7376
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Smash; sorry for a late response but I had a super weekend in the recording studio
Honestly my intention with the 1212 was the same with all the Schroeders, namely, compact, powerful and audible onstage and in the audience. I definitely experienced with numerous front fired cabinet configuration but chose the current construction due to the fact that it is just IMO an advantage; more expensive to built but, what the heck.
The angled woofer in the 1212 provides a little more low end than the front fired woofer. The 21012 provides more low end due to the fact that the angled 12" woofer just has more room to "move". The angled construction is also functioning in a way as a "monitor" for the band members. I always place my cabinet in a manner that the angled woofer points to the rest of the band.
Sincerely,
Jorg
PS: thanks for the compliment. John Escobido from the "Mike Albert Project" (Mike Albert/ex Megadeth lead guitarist) also enjoys his 410s
Honestly my intention with the 1212 was the same with all the Schroeders, namely, compact, powerful and audible onstage and in the audience. I definitely experienced with numerous front fired cabinet configuration but chose the current construction due to the fact that it is just IMO an advantage; more expensive to built but, what the heck.
The angled woofer in the 1212 provides a little more low end than the front fired woofer. The 21012 provides more low end due to the fact that the angled 12" woofer just has more room to "move". The angled construction is also functioning in a way as a "monitor" for the band members. I always place my cabinet in a manner that the angled woofer points to the rest of the band.
Sincerely,
Jorg
PS: thanks for the compliment. John Escobido from the "Mike Albert Project" (Mike Albert/ex Megadeth lead guitarist) also enjoys his 410s
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