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Should I bail?

#61
dbsfgyd1 said:
Your situation is a classic example of what can happen entering into collaborative effort without having a written agreement on control and or ownership of your intellectual work.

Truly this sucks and I feel bad for you. Before I’d play another note with this guy, he needs to understand that you own your work. Secondly, you have no intentions of playing his crap parts, and if he ever decides to publish this work (which is a really good idea if you plan on having your stuff on the internet) without your bass parts he better disclose you are not the bassist.

I hope you can get this straightened out.
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He is almost certainly going to put it straight onto Spotify when its done being 'mixed'.
 
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Cloudspine said:
He is almost certainly going to put it straight onto Spotify when its done being 'mixed'.
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Putting it politely.. He’s an Idiot!

Look, if you want to put the fear of God in him, tell him you gave me his name, and I’m going to listen to his stuff to see what I can steal. I have a publishing company and looking for fresh ideas. Just remember, the first one to publish wins.
 
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#68
I've wasted a lot of precious time and energy in original bands that weren't worth that time and energy. You know your answer.

Let him hire musicians if that's the route he wants to go.

Honestly, it was a really stupid move on his part. People are much more apt to promote, support and care about music they had an equal part in.

I'd say "see ya." For sure. This tells you what this guy is about. Though I've been wrong at times, I can honestly only see this getting worse over time. Even if by some stroke of extreme good fortune his songs somehow became hits, you would be at his mercy - or he'd then just hire someone else. No big deal.
 
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#69
Bail, and use it as good reminder, that when you're writing with other people, you must have "the talk" at some point to make sure everyone understands what it means, and is in agreement (as much as possible) as to whose contributions are what % of the writers' share of a given song. At some point - preferably before you actually release it - you're gonna register it with a PRO and need to have that settled.
 
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#71
Totally voting team bail, but if you want to preserve any relationship musical or otherwise, do not do it by email. If you just want to cut bait and walk, send a hasta la vista. Otherwise talk to them in person, or at least on the phone.
 
#75
What you're describing is not what I would call a "band opportunity" but an opportinity to be an unpaid bass player for rehearsals (and possibly gigs) in someone else's one-man solo project. In this particular case that "one-man" also seems to suffer from delusions of grandeur.

I guess it all boils down to whether you enjoy playing with them. You could also use this "band" to get some experience while you're looking for something else. Personally I wouldn't want to be a part of anything like this. At some point there WILL be discussions about money, playing gigs before you're ready, etc. At least if your description of the BL is reasonably accurate. In fact, the term "band leader" may not even apply here as it doesn't really sound like a band but more like someone's vanity project.
 
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#77
The adage there is always more than one side to the story. Talk with everyone in the group about the group. Expectations, who has voting rights and who doesn’t, ownership of material, future compensation, short and look term strategy. He sounds immature and impulsive so he may not have thought through all of these things and may be unable to articulate a common sense game plan. Be the adult, lead the conversation if it gets bogged down in pie in the sky fantasyville crap. I’ll walk a thousand miles if there is a legitimate endgame and potential for fun and money but I wouldn’t walk another 10 feet following a child off a cliff. Get everyone in the band to say their piece. It’s a learning experience for y’all. A band IS a marriage and 99.9% end in divorce. You should be able to say you did everything you could to make it work before filing the divorce papers.
 
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#79
gln1955 said:
I think you have this figured out. You are not a collaborator or valued bandmate. You are his bass lackey. This is not likely to change until this guy grows up and gets a reality check.
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28 likes so far. Most people fail to realize that the majority of professional musicians are lackeys. Servitude is what they get paid for. Some even earn a living for it.
 
#80
This fellow appears to be lacking in the 'Emotional Intelligence" dept. especially as in his limited vision it's no big deal & business as usual for him. Folks like this often stay that way.

What does this 'BL" offer that you don't do?.. Is it a skill such as singing you don't have that you could develop? If so perhaps use the experience as a wake-up call to up your own game..
 

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