i knew paul from 12 stones and had a couple of mutual friends several years back. he always seemed like a stand up guy when i met him. are you on speaking terms with any of the band members? maybe coming at it from the inside if you are could work.
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Should I get an attorney?
- Thread starter ShawnStones
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honistly i think i speek for alot of these guys on tb when i say that we feel your pain
and u should make a tb appeal where people send you money to help get it back
and u should make a tb appeal where people send you money to help get it back
Look, I'd be down to throw in $5 or so to help cover shipping costs for you to get your gear back, but Stumbo raised a good point. The issue was first brought up in Oct 2009, and then I saw the resurgence of the thread in late Dec. 2009.
Shawn, what actions have you taken in al that time? I did read that you recently got in touch with the singer and all, but it seems like they dicked you again...
Bottom line, do you have a way of getting your gear out of wherever it may be located and into somebody, anybody's, hands? If so, Im sure the kind folks at TB would be willing to pitch in a few bucks to get your gear shipped back, especially after reading GE's thread and all the good that came of it.
Shawn, what actions have you taken in al that time? I did read that you recently got in touch with the singer and all, but it seems like they dicked you again...
Bottom line, do you have a way of getting your gear out of wherever it may be located and into somebody, anybody's, hands? If so, Im sure the kind folks at TB would be willing to pitch in a few bucks to get your gear shipped back, especially after reading GE's thread and all the good that came of it.
To clear up a few things. I'm in Illinois. My gear is in a storage space in Louisiana. The band is in New York recording. 12 Stones is an LLC, based out of NY (where the label is). The manager is in Appleton,WI. So yes, this is a geographical mess.
My old bass tech, grew up with the singer and has been their instrument tech for years. He is the one that has the key to the storage space, he would be the one I would have to contact if I went down myself or if one of you guys went down there. Nothing was done from October till now because he was out teching for another band, so even if I had driven down there myself or offered to foot the shipping bill, there was no one to unlock to storage space. So it was virtually pointless to do anything really until after the holidays, when he'd be home.
My old bass tech, grew up with the singer and has been their instrument tech for years. He is the one that has the key to the storage space, he would be the one I would have to contact if I went down myself or if one of you guys went down there. Nothing was done from October till now because he was out teching for another band, so even if I had driven down there myself or offered to foot the shipping bill, there was no one to unlock to storage space. So it was virtually pointless to do anything really until after the holidays, when he'd be home.
Stumbo;8498313 Note: The OP was in October of 2009. Seems to me that you possibly could have saved enough by now to pay for shipping the rack back to you by now. Also said:
Times are definitely tough. There aren't any good jobs anywhere that I can find either.
I think the only thing that really bugs me about this story is the fact that your gear is being used by someone else. It would be one thing if it was just in storage somewhere.
I think the only thing that really bugs me about this story is the fact that your gear is being used by someone else. It would be one thing if it was just in storage somewhere.
Well it is in storage now, it was only used for a 2 week tour they did back in September. Still doesn't make it right, but yeah...gear is in storage now.
Well there's some positive news... good to know this is only a matter of somehow coordinating with people from various parts of the country.
It would be way cool if management or someone on that end could ship the stuff for you, just to be nice.
Good luck getting your stuff back. I'd be hopeless without my rack!
It would be way cool if management or someone on that end could ship the stuff for you, just to be nice.
Good luck getting your stuff back. I'd be hopeless without my rack!
If you can't afford to ship your stuff home, you can't afford a lawyer.
Unless there's a potential gold mine/large settlement that's pretty likely, lawyers won't agree to work on a % of the winnings.
Randy
Unless there's a potential gold mine/large settlement that's pretty likely, lawyers won't agree to work on a % of the winnings.
Randy
So if you're tight with the tech who is on the ground with your stuff in Louisiana, and if you think he'd safely pack your stuff for you, why not come up with a shipping estimate via DHL, FedEx, whomever, and perhaps that's something we all on Talkbass could give you a few bucks for...
Sucks bad to the max, man.
If you can figure out some way to get the rig to Myrtle Beach, SC on Tuesday the 12th I'll happily drive it all the way out to Rockford.... I live in Crystal Lake.
I'm driving down there on business tomorrow and I'll even have a trailer. Seriously, if you can work it out I'll at least get it from SC to Rockford.
If you can figure out some way to get the rig to Myrtle Beach, SC on Tuesday the 12th I'll happily drive it all the way out to Rockford.... I live in Crystal Lake.
I'm driving down there on business tomorrow and I'll even have a trailer. Seriously, if you can work it out I'll at least get it from SC to Rockford.
Now that you have somebody with a key....
I think it's been said quite enough, the best thing to do now is figure out shipping costs and appeal to sympathetic TB'ers for some cash. I've got one of those p.o.s. dano mini pedals I could pawn to GC for $10.
I think it's been said quite enough, the best thing to do now is figure out shipping costs and appeal to sympathetic TB'ers for some cash. I've got one of those p.o.s. dano mini pedals I could pawn to GC for $10.
I feel for you, but things will never get resolved until you decide to do something and follow it through. You have some options:
-Contact the people with local connections who have offered to help, see if something can come from that.
-Borrow some cash to pay for shipping: then you will have your gear and can sell off the stuff you were planning to to pay back the loan
-Ask us for help: hard to do, but a few have offered, and I'd kick in as well to see this mess resolved. You could ask for small donations or a bigger loan until you get your stuff and sell some of it.
- get the tech to get the rig out of storage and ask a local TBer to hold on to the rack until you can afford to ship it or pick it up, or until a TBer is driving up to you, etc.
Forget the lawyers, the small claims, the witch hunt, etc. It's obvious you haven't the heart or the cash for either, and the outcome is not in any way sure, so just forget those option.
But I can't stress how important it is for you to initiate something. You're waiting for something to happen but it won't. Wait longer, you'll be out your rig, and the ability to respect yourself. It's demoralizing and paralysing to be broke (I've been there), but you've been offered help, so take advantage of it or decide to write the whole thing off.
I'll be pissed off for your sake if this thread is still going in a month, unless it is to report a happy conclusion.
For those who haven't read the whole thread, the OP is getting a raw deal from the manager of 12 Stones and the band doesn't seem to have enough stones to do the right thing either. Maybe a little more bad publicity will help the suckass manager to swallow the few hundred bucks to get the rack back to the OP like he should have done from the get go.
BTW Shawn, you're still listed as the band's bassist on German Wiki.
-Contact the people with local connections who have offered to help, see if something can come from that.
-Borrow some cash to pay for shipping: then you will have your gear and can sell off the stuff you were planning to to pay back the loan
-Ask us for help: hard to do, but a few have offered, and I'd kick in as well to see this mess resolved. You could ask for small donations or a bigger loan until you get your stuff and sell some of it.
- get the tech to get the rig out of storage and ask a local TBer to hold on to the rack until you can afford to ship it or pick it up, or until a TBer is driving up to you, etc.
Forget the lawyers, the small claims, the witch hunt, etc. It's obvious you haven't the heart or the cash for either, and the outcome is not in any way sure, so just forget those option.
But I can't stress how important it is for you to initiate something. You're waiting for something to happen but it won't. Wait longer, you'll be out your rig, and the ability to respect yourself. It's demoralizing and paralysing to be broke (I've been there), but you've been offered help, so take advantage of it or decide to write the whole thing off.
I'll be pissed off for your sake if this thread is still going in a month, unless it is to report a happy conclusion.
For those who haven't read the whole thread, the OP is getting a raw deal from the manager of 12 Stones and the band doesn't seem to have enough stones to do the right thing either. Maybe a little more bad publicity will help the suckass manager to swallow the few hundred bucks to get the rack back to the OP like he should have done from the get go.
BTW Shawn, you're still listed as the band's bassist on German Wiki.
Just a thought...
If you're going to sell this equipment anyhow, what if you contacted a music gear seller in the area where it is being held and consigned it to them to sell on your behalf. Quite alot of gear to sell, hence a good commission, hopefully the dealer may even pick the equipment up.
Just a thought anyway.
Hope it works out.
BTW What happened to the singer and guitarist? Thought they were going to see to the safe return of your property?
If you're going to sell this equipment anyhow, what if you contacted a music gear seller in the area where it is being held and consigned it to them to sell on your behalf. Quite alot of gear to sell, hence a good commission, hopefully the dealer may even pick the equipment up.
Just a thought anyway.
Hope it works out.
BTW What happened to the singer and guitarist? Thought they were going to see to the safe return of your property?
What a disturbing thread. Set up a paypal I'm sure you could get some of the people here to throw in some $ hell I'd give ya 5 or 10.
I feel for you man, but I've got an idea.
That Avalon U5 you've got in your rack would sell used for $500 used. Sell it to one of the guys following this thread at a discount say $350. Have that money sent directly to your tech friend who can pick up the rig, pull out the Avalon and ship it to the buyer and ship your rig back to you. $350 should cover all your shipping costs and your tech friends time.
Just an idea...Good luck!
That Avalon U5 you've got in your rack would sell used for $500 used. Sell it to one of the guys following this thread at a discount say $350. Have that money sent directly to your tech friend who can pick up the rig, pull out the Avalon and ship it to the buyer and ship your rig back to you. $350 should cover all your shipping costs and your tech friends time.
Just an idea...Good luck!
Report the gear as stolen as they say they do not have it, then show the pictures of your rig on their gig.
I know it's an awfull thing to do, but how afwull is to have/use someones gear and deny it? You'll fk em just as hard as they tried to fk you
I know it's an awfull thing to do, but how afwull is to have/use someones gear and deny it? You'll fk em just as hard as they tried to fk you
