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Should I Lend out my Rig?

#101
jmattbassplaya said:
He knows how much mine costs, although he doesn't believe me when I say a SS bass head can cost around $1,300... I honestly dont think he buys his own gear. His family is loaded and he acts as if money is a none issue. Good for him if it isn't - but it is for me. I guess I'll be heading to our space to 'practice' in the next hour or so (this is ridiculous :rollno:)
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if i was you id hed to the practace space now incase they try to move it befor u get there
 
#102
Friends and fellow musicians in the area? Maybe.
People who go on the road and don't haul their own stuff, people that I don't know? Umm, I don't think so.

Other factors: if the guy gave me the respect of a sit down or call, and he was forth coming in assuring me he was taking financial responsibility - maybe, just maybe. But without that - no way.

There are lots of expletive deleteds in the universe with inflated egos who think you should be honored that they are borrowing your gear. Without them offering assurances that they're taking the financial responsibility - it's just plain foolish.

Then - if I *was* convinced, it would then be a loan - of a bare minimum subset of my gear. I wouldn't risk my own next gig for this.

Hmmm, on the road to play and couldn't fit their instruments. Sounds like people who don't think things out very well.

How many of *you* would hit the road with a, um, *Plan* like that?
 
#104
jmattbassplaya said:
He knows how much mine costs, although he doesn't believe me when I say a SS bass head can cost around $1,300... I honestly dont think he buys his own gear. His family is loaded and he acts as if money is a none issue. Good for him if it isn't - but it is for me. I guess I'll be heading to our space to 'practice' in the next hour or so (this is ridiculous :rollno:)
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The way this is going, I'd go to the rehearsal space and when I left, I'd take my rig with me. Just to make sure nobody "borrows" it thinking they'll return it with you none the wiser. Guitard doesn't seem to want to take "no" for an answer, and the next step is "what you don't know won't hurt you".

Read this thread and get back to us.

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=586846

One thing puzzles me, if they don't have enough room/vehicle to carry their own gear to the gig, how do they carry your's there? You supposed th schlep it out there for them too?

If they can get your gear to this gig, they can get your gear to their next gig too.

It's one thing to do this for friends you know and trust. Its quite another thing to do it for strangers with a story that doesn't make sense. If the story doesn't make sense, they're lying to you about something. If they're not honest, why the hell would you even think about loaning them $3000 worth of gear. Would you lend them $3000? No. Hell No. Not in a million years.

Is your gear capable of getting absolutely obscenely loud without risk of blowing speakers? Cause they will crank it. Why not? Nothing to fear if something blows. It's not theirs. I used to be house band for a jam session, I brought my "A" rig because it was overkill, and couldn't be blown. And I was there to turn down if need be. No sense bringing a crap rig that's liable to blow. Then I'm out my practice rig, or have to pay to fix it.

Randy
 
#106
SBassman said:
Friends and fellow musicians in the area? Maybe.
People who go on the road and don't haul their own stuff, people that I don't know? Umm, I don't think so.

Other factors: if the guy gave me the respect of a sit down or call, and he was forth coming in assuring me he was taking financial responsibility - maybe, just maybe. But without that - no way.

There are lots of expletive deleteds in the universe with inflated egos who think you should be honored that they are borrowing your gear. Without them offering assurances that they're taking the financial responsibility - it's just plain foolish.

Then - if I *was* convinced, it would then be a loan - of a bare minimum subset of my gear. I wouldn't risk my own next gig for this.

Hmmm, on the road to play and couldn't fit their instruments. Sounds like people who don't think things out very well.

How many of *you* would hit the road with a, um, *Plan* like that?
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Exactly.

And for the record I`ve done out of town gigs before (not many, but still) and each time I`ve made sure I either had my rig with everything needed or I had called a music shop in the town I was playing in to secure a rental. These guys are supposedly between 24-29... I don`t buy it that they couldn`t rent out a U-Haul or make arrangements beforehand. Like someone else proposed earlier, I`m willing to bet my guitarist said they could borrow it.

Hayseed said:
I don't know man, but it sounds like you oughta start looking for a new situation. Doesn't sound like your guy there gets it. How old is he by the way?
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I agree. I`ve been saying it myself a lot lately but have held off because I enjoy playing with musicians of this caliber and age who actually have legit gigs. From a social perspective this band (or more like the guitarist) is a horrible match. From a business perspective, it`s a great opportunity.

And the guitarist is my age, 19-20.

steveksux said:
The way this is going, I'd go to the rehearsal space and when I left, I'd take my rig with me. Just to make sure nobody "borrows" it thinking they'll return it with you none the wiser. Guitard doesn't seem to want to take "no" for an answer, and the next step is "what you don't know won't hurt you".

Read this thread and get back to us.

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=586846

One thing puzzles me, if they don't have enough room/vehicle to carry their own gear to the gig, how do they carry your's there? You supposed th schlep it out there for them too?

If they can get your gear to this gig, they can get your gear to their next gig too.

Randy
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I wish I could take my gear but alas, no car up at college.

I actually didn`t think about how they`d schlep my gear once they got here.... More reason to get there in case my guitarist decides to throw my amp in the back of his Tahoe. OK, I`m going off the grid for a bit.

Thanks again, everyone.
 
#108
jmattbassplaya said:
Exactly.

And for the record I`ve done out of town gigs before (not many, but still) and each time I`ve made sure I either had my rig with everything needed or I had called a music shop in the town I was playing in to secure a rental. These guys are supposedly between 24-29... I don`t buy it that they couldn`t rent out a U-Haul or make arrangements beforehand. Like someone else proposed earlier, I`m willing to bet my guitarist said they could borrow it.



I agree. I`ve been saying it myself a lot lately but have held off because I enjoy playing with musicians of this caliber and age who actually have legit gigs. From a social perspective this band (or more like the guitarist) is a horrible match. From a business perspective, it`s a great opportunity.

And the guitarist is my age, 19-20.



I wish I could take my gear but alas, no car up at college.

I actually didn`t think about how they`d schlep my gear once they got here.... More reason to get there in case my guitarist decides to throw my amp in the back of his Tahoe. OK, I`m going off the grid for a bit.

Thanks again, everyone.
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Yeah, I'd definitely go there then. Its getting too late to do so if they haven't rented, they're getting desperate, and your buddy seems to think he's entitled to it, rather than asking for it.

Randy
 
#109
Here's the secret: I don't care what calibur they are or what they're doing now; with this attitude and understanding of what a professional should act like - more than likely THEY'VE PEAKED!!

Do you really think there is anybody "at the next level" (for lack of a better term) that's gonna put up with people like this? Yes, there are some, but those are probably those people you don't wanna know or hang around.

When it all comes down to it; will you really ever be able to make enough money to compensate for all the frustrations and BS?
 
#110
jmattbassplaya said:
I wish I could take my gear but alas, no car up at college.

I actually didn`t think about how they`d schlep my gear once they got here.... More reason to get there in case my guitarist decides to throw my amp in the back of his Tahoe. OK, I`m going off the grid for a bit.

Thanks again, everyone.
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Why not just take the head? It's only a few pounds, and without it your guitarist won't try to take the cab.
 
#113
The more I read, the more I want you to get over to your practice area and babysit your gear. Better yet, just pack it up and take it home for a good going-over and cleaning. From what you've said about your guitarist, I'd have to believe he made a promise he couldn't keep. On top of that, he's siding with the other band, not with you! And if he doesn't have your back on this one - well, that's for another topic...

What's wrong with this picture???

Stand firm with your NOOOOO - forget "not likely"!
 
#117
Simply: if they can haul your gear, they can haul their own gear just as easily.

I'd be done with this dink of a guitar player immediately.
I trust the guys I play with.

If you can't trust them with your stuff, it's time to get out, nothing good could come of this or any other situation further down the road.
 
#119
What would make this a "good gig"?

I always thought that people played professionally mainly because they loved it and didn't want to work at a job they hate.

In my mind: Staying in a situation like this (for me at least) would be "selling out."
 

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