Shuttle 9.0?

[svtb15]

Denis,
BTW the way, which way do you stack your 10s... Vertically or horizontally.
I will try to call you this week too.

 

[buffordbass]

Kirk, Roger and Jeff made me swear to secrecy... It has been hard...but I did it. The 9.0 was great for me with the Uber210's. I needed more headroom when I only used 1 of them. With 1 8 ohm cab I would hit the clip light ( with my 6.0) on occassion but when running the 9.0 I had sindle cabinet power for days. My band was actually mad when I had to box it up and send it back. I took no live pictures when I ran it because I would have been tempted to post them. The cool thing is with the extra %50 power you can get VERY clean by backing the gain to stay out of the tube and you still have power to push. With a 4 ohm load holy cow. Whe I ran dual Uber210's or the 4 ohm Uber212 it was FATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTtt

Not even a heads up, huh... what a friend!!!!
ROGER.... e-mail to follow

 

[kraigo]

I'm curious about cabinet choices with the 9.0. If running say the NEOX212T (a 4 ohm 600 watt RMS cabinet) should I be concerned with the additional 300 watts over powering it? It seems like the cabinets and amps currently pair up well. i.e. Shuttle 6.0 with 4 ohm 600 watt cab.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. If you hear distortion turn down. The cab can handle 600 watts in a way that bass doesn't really put out. It can handle spikes from a real world bass even from a 900 watt head. I'll sound like an old fart here: If you're overpowering a NeoX 212T, you're too loud on stage! Let the PA and sound guy do their jobs.

All this being said, I won't be held responsible for damage to your cab.

KO

 

[Fretlessboy]

The Uber210's just plain kick a**... and are portable.
As a side note, the Shuttle6.0/112 combo with extension is also serious. You add the 12 extension and it goes off like a canon as did the 210 combo with 112 extension.

They must have had some photos of you in weird situations..


I really need the 9.0 and im not super happy with my 12s right now (another brand) ... and feeling the urge to go to 10s after a Millennium... But what people have been saying about the Ubers.. mmmmm I need to get a pair of Uber 2x10s.. been saying that for a while now...mmmmmmmmmm

 

[SteveC]

So why not get the Max 6.0? Same power as the Max 12 into a single cab, and smaller/lighter.

Yeah, you are right, but they have a 12 at the store, and I could probably get a really good price so it would be almost like buying a 6 and getting a 12 for free.

What you described would be very close to the Max 6 amp...I use my MAx12 and a tiny Bagend 1x12 for small jazz type gigs... I have my sadowsky 5 in my gigbag on my back, the shuttle max12 in its gig bag on my left shoulder and the BE cab in my right hand or left... i still have a hand to carry my water bottle... and that small cab with that head will easily keep up with a medium playing drummer too.. and i know the same with the MAx6 head into that rig.. Im just saying.. its so simple... all that in a size smaller and much lighter that an average 1x12 cab.

Unless you really have your heart set on a combo style ( all in one) setup. Perhaps GB has a set of the Mounting brackets to mount the Max style heads to the cabs like the Invalid Link Removed units. i dont know...

I do really love the combo. If I could do a Shuttle Max 6 mounted to a Neox112 I think I'd be set for anything. Shoot, I almost feel that way already with my Shuttle 3.0/10-T.

 

[kraigo]

With a little sweet talking, Roger has been known to sell the Shuttle bracket. I just got the NeoX 212T because I figured I'd always carry two cabs "just in case", so I might as well get it in one bigger box, cheaper, with kick back wheels.

Love that cab. The Shuttle 6.0 too, BTW.

KO

 

[Fretlessboy]

Horizontal

Denis,
BTW the way, which way do you stack your 10s... Vertically or horizontally.
I will try to call you this week too.

 

[zac2944]

if you are only running an 8 ohm cabinet you are only getting 375... some may say you won't hear a 75 watt difference. I beg to differ. If you run a 25 watt amp themn a 100 watt amp you hear the difference do you not?

I believe your comparison doesn't make any sense. From what I've read:

The relationship between power output and speaker loudness or volume is not linear or straight (+10 watts does not equal +10 dB). For example, if you compare the maximum volume of a 50-watt amplifier with a 100-watt amplifier the difference is only 3 dB, barely greater than the ability of the human ear to hear the difference. It would take an amplifier with 10 times more power (500 watts!) to be perceived as being twice as loud (a +10 dB increase). 2X the power output = +3 dB increase, 10X the power output = +10 dB increase, or twice as loud.

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Considering your example, going from 25W to 100W doubles the power output twice and should provide a 6dB increase. That's a VERY noticeable increase. Going from 375W to 450W probably won't amount to more than 1 dB or so increase in output. Is a 1dB increase going to be very noticeable?

I'm not trying to pick a fight, and I'm sure you do hear it, but your example doesn't make much sense. I think folks should consider this before they dump their 6.0 of other amp for a 9.0.

 

[KJung]

I believe your comparison doesn't make any sense. From what I've read:

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Considering your example, going from 25W to 100W doubles the power output twice and should provide a 6dB increase. That's a VERY noticeable increase. Going from 375W to 450W probably won't amount to more than 1 dB or so increase in output. Is a 1dB increase going to be very noticeable?

I'm not trying to pick a fight, and I'm sure you do hear it, but your example doesn't make much sense. I think folks should consider this before they dump their 6.0 of other amp for a 9.0.

+1 You need to take the denominator (i.e., the level of power you are starting with) into account.

However, as I've posted (and experienced) many times before, just translating an increase in power into db's can be very misleading. It's not always about pure volume, but rather, an uncompressed, open, clean, deep, quick tone. Many times, going from 'not quite enough power' to 'just enough or more than enough power' can result in a night and day experience (especially if you are starting at a modest wattage level in the 200-300 watt range).

Going from 300 to 450 watts, with a cabinet that can handle the extra power like a 410 or 212, can REALLY sound more open, full, and yes, a bit louder, which is a bonus. Once you get up to 500-600 watts, for most applications and tones, adding more power won't really make that much of a difference unless you are running multiple large cabs and playing VERY loud.

I see the primary application of a head like this running either one large 8ohm cab (like the fEarful 15/6's), or two large 410 8ohm cabs. For a single 4ohm cab or two smaller 8ohm cabs, if you dig the Genz tone, the 6.0 should be plenty for most. IMO!

 

[buffordbass]

I hate the math, but i WILL get one of these 9.0's!!!!

 

[Fretlessboy]

OK, let me say this... with the 9.0 I did NOT see a clip light in scenario's that 6.0 hit it. The bottom when playing LOUD does NOT bottom out at all. So is it louder by a long shot...maybe not...does the extra power keep it running the way it should? YES it does. So with that in mind just A/B them and make your own decisn. On a single or dual Uber210's where the power match is perfect, they were made for each other.

 

[svtb15]

Im slightly scratching my head... I remember many years ago going from a B15 @ 30 watts, to a V4b @ 100 watts.. I noticed a difference.. then a V4B to an SVT @ 300 watts ..I noticed a difference..
Then some folks were upgrading their TF550A @ 500watts to a TF550B @550watts to just get 50 more watts, and they said they noticed a difference in headroom...

Maybe 125 watts may not be perceived as alot louder.. but it will certainly be felt .. especially in the headroom area... less squashing on the Low B when required..

And doing as Dennis said, by not having the limit light staying on for Loud passages. that means the amp has room to go..

I have lit my Limit light on my 6.0... and kept it lit at times for a few seconds.... but my pants were flapping in the air... through a pair of Bag End S15B-D on a gear rental gig.. it was seriously loud...

 

[thudfromafar]

Tempting though it may be, it's a power upgrade only (the front panel is identical) and the STL6.0 has enough power for my needs. I wonder how many people are going to feel the same way.

KO

color upgrade too

 

[kraigo]

color upgrade too

The only thing I want to do to mine is take a toothpick and dab some white paint on the knobs so I can see where they are set from more angles. Glow in the dark would be even cooler!

I'm tempted by the 9.0, but it really would be pointless for me to upgrade. I could probably find someone to anodize mine black if it _REALLY_ mattered to me. The way it is, it won't have the sun warming it up as much.

If I were buying new today? It'd be a tough call. The 6.0 has had enough power for me. If I had an insurance check in my hand I'd probably take the plunge for the 9.0.

KO

 

[tallboybass]

OK, let me say this... with the 9.0 I did NOT see a clip light in scenario's that 6.0 hit it. The bottom when playing LOUD does NOT bottom out at all.

This is the bottom line (pun intended). Sounds like a great improvement!!

 

[Fretlessboy]

that's what I thought

This is the bottom line (pun intended). Sounds like a great improvement!!

 

[MikeBass]

And here I'm actually thinking of ditching my fly-weight head for a lead-sled ala' GBE1200.

But now, after reading through this thread, I'm thinking a 9.0 may be the answer.
I'm not sure if I ever really changed my settings on my 6.0 much since I got it!

(BTW Roger, I cleaned my amp like you guys suggested, just a little dirty! It's been fine since we talked)

So, now this week I'm gonna run the GBE1200 next to my 6.0 again, and make my decision. Which will probably end up getting a 9.0!!! LOL!!!

 

[Fretlessboy]

lol... most likely my friend...most likely

The GBE1200 is a beast in every stretch of the imagination. The 9.0 if you don't need the ability of running 2 ohms I believ will be the standard in which all else is messure especialy since you did you 6.0. More power is always a good thing.

And here I'm actually thinking of ditching my fly-weight head for a lead-sled ala' GBE1200.

But now, after reading through this thread, I'm thinking a 9.0 may be the answer.
I'm not sure if I ever really changed my settings on my 6.0 much since I got it!

(BTW Roger, I cleaned my amp like you guys suggested, just a little dirty! It's been fine since we talked)

So, now this week I'm gonna run the GBE1200 next to my 6.0 again, and make my decision. Which will probably end up getting a 9.0!!! LOL!!!

 

[jokerjkny]

Looks like my Shuttle 6.0 on steroids and formally attired in basic black.

What is the P.H.A.T topology and how is it a benefit over the "non-P.H.A.T." topology of my Shuttle 6.0?

hmm...

does anyone else think this sounds like they're "overclocking" the old 6.0?

wonder how hot it gets if it needs this PHAT (Proprietary Heat Abatement Technology) topology...

and yes, i'm totally saying all this to make me happy w/ my non PHAT 6.0.

 

[Fretlessboy]

lol... I drove it on my test week in July on an outdoor gig in the sun plugged in to dual Uber210's. It was a rock band and we were pumping. I never got warmer than my StroboStomp. I guess the heat thingy worked

hmm...

does anyone else think this sounds like they're "overclocking" the old 6.0?

wonder how hot it gets if it needs this PHAT (Proprietary Heat Abatement Technology) topology...

and yes, i'm totally saying all this to make me happy w/ my non PHAT 6.0.