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Shuttle 9.0?

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There is alot of open room inside the 6.0 box.. the modules are not that large.. I have seen many amps that are crammed tight inside top to bottom side to side, with nowhere to work .. but the 6.0 has some wide open spaces in there. ... so going to a larger power module does not seam all that off base in my opinion...
And like i have noticed my 6.0 that even when i run it real hard at 4 ohms on a hot summer day outside....
The chassis remains cool or equal to ambient air temp. there is no perceivable temperature rise....
My old TF550B would get egg cooking hot on the output air vents and sides... I often worried about that amp un-soldering itself at times..
On indoor gigs the 6.0 actually feel cool to the touch.. Class D is alien technology..;)
 
#163
Hey Kirk...give me a call when you have a few minutes...I wanna get caught up with you...


svtb15 said:
There is alot of open room inside the 6.0 box.. the modules are not that large.. I have seen many amps that are crammed tight inside top to bottom side to side, with nowhere to work .. but the 6.0 has some wide open spaces in there. ... so going to a larger power module does not seam all that off base in my opinion...
And like i have noticed my 6.0 that even when i run it real hard at 4 ohms on a hot summer day outside....
The chassis remains cool or equal to ambient air temp. there is no perceivable temperature rise....
My old TF550B would get egg cooking hot on the output air vents and sides... I often worried about that amp un-soldering itself at times..
On indoor gigs the 6.0 actually feel cool to the touch.. Class D is alien technology..;)
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zac2944 said:
I believe your comparison doesn't make any sense. From what I've read:

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Considering your example, going from 25W to 100W doubles the power output twice and should provide a 6dB increase. That's a VERY noticeable increase. Going from 375W to 450W probably won't amount to more than 1 dB or so increase in output. Is a 1dB increase going to be very noticeable?

I'm not trying to pick a fight, and I'm sure you do hear it, but your example doesn't make much sense. I think folks should consider this before they dump their 6.0 of other amp for a 9.0.
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Where did the 450 watts come in anyway. I must have missed something.

The 9.0 is 500 watts into 8 ohms , is it not? The 6.0 is 375 watts into 8 ohms correct?

To me the biggest difference between those two would be not so much in db's but in rigidity and I feel there would be a big difference. Now to also be able to step up from the 500 or 600 watts to 900 watts is again more about rigidity. More headroom/clarity/rock solid.

I just got in from Band #2 rehearsal and with one 8 ohm 2x10 and a LMIII I just run out of steam. I have plenty of room on the master volume but the amp doesn't get any louder it just gets squashier. We start off at good levels but get that volume creep after things get going. It is really difficult to compete with a loud drummer.

With the same Cab the 9.0 would give me the 500 watts I desire and just enough (I think) to push me over the edge a little to compete when folks start getting excited. Right now with just the 8 ohm cab (a very efficient cab at that) by the end I barely can tell I'm playing.

Now I could bring another cab for the extra db's but would rather not. I have even toyed with the idea of a 4 ohm 2x10. I'm pretty sure a 400 watt 4 ohm 2x10 would handle the 500 watts of the LMIII. I'm waiting to hear back from SWR on whether they will make me a 4 ohm 2x10 Golight (they only offer them in 8 ohms).
 
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Red Planet said:
Where did the 450 watts come in anyway. I must have missed something.

The 9.0 is 500 watts into 8 ohms , is it not? The 6.0 is 375 watts into 8 ohms correct?

To me the biggest difference between those two would be not so much in db's but in rigidity and I feel there would be a big difference. Now to also be able to step up from the 500 or 600 watts to 900 watts is again more about rigidity. More headroom/clarity/rock solid.

I just got in from Band #2 rehearsal and with one 8 ohm 2x10 and a LMIII I just run out of steam. I have plenty of room on the master volume but the amp doesn't get any louder it just gets squashier. We start off at good levels but get that volume creep after things get going. It is really difficult to compete with a loud drummer.

With the same Cab the 9.0 would give me the 500 watts I desire and just enough (I think) to push me over the edge a little to compete when folks start getting excited. Right now with just the 8 ohm cab (a very efficient cab at that) by the end I barely can tell I'm playing.

Now I could bring another cab for the extra db's but would rather not. I have even toyed with the idea of a 4 ohm 2x10. I'm pretty sure a 400 watt 4 ohm 2x10 would handle the 500 watts of the LMIII. I'm waiting to hear back from SWR on whether they will make me a 4 ohm 2x10 Golight (they only offer them in 8 ohms).
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It actually sounds like maybe you hit the limit of what the cab can put out.
A 210 can only go so loud even with 100 watts behind it. Sure it may be cleaner and be able to control the speaker better, but a 210 is just a 210.
Add a 112 or another 210 and I think you'll have pleasing results.

Or buy the 9.0 :D
 
#174
RE: an earlier Post.. A page or two ago.

Another amp company came out with their Lead Sled 600 watt amp, then later that year they came out with a 900 watt version ..
No one complained about how the extra power (300 watts ) should not make a big difference..
In fact their 600 amp did 320 @ 8 or 600 @ 4 and their 900 amp did 450@ 8 or 900 @ 4..

Almost the same spread as the Shuttle 6.0 vs 9.0.. But that other amp company was not scrutinized here on TB as hard about nearly the same wattage spread.
Either that is some severe favoritism, slandering or out right hypocrisy. IMO.. or maybe i missed something..

Of course it makes a difference in the feel and headroom you would have.. The 900 watt 9.0 will be an up step from the 6.0.

But i think there is still room for the 6.0 in the product line up.
 
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hasbeen said:
I wouldn't blame somebody for asking that question. It isn't simply red-lining the 6.0. The power modules between the two are different.

Our PHAT topology is what allows us to get 900 watts into the same size package. So in the end, if you can make one go thermal under EXTREME playing circumstances, like I said about other amps of ours, I'll eat it.
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#177
::::BASSIST:::: said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but can you not just turn down the 'drive' and thus get the equivalent of the FET?

900w is alot of power so you should still have plenty left even when turning down the drive.

Right?
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on my 6.0, i turn the gain down to about 9:00, and the preamp volume knob to about 3:00. gives me a quicker feel, and the tube doesnt saturate as quickly. works for me.
 
#179
This was my earlier question, and I'll post again to emphasize this feature...I think a lot of players would like a GB shuttle if it had a quick punchy solid state option. The GK1001RB-II has been popular in my opinion for this reason. Just being nit picky here, I do own and use a GB Shuttle 6.0 and it's a keeper. Thanks GB for listening to bass players!
 
#180
Fretlessboy said:
OK, let me say this... with the 9.0 I did NOT see a clip light in scenario's that 6.0 hit it. The bottom when playing LOUD does NOT bottom out at all. So is it louder by a long shot...maybe not...does the extra power keep it running the way it should? YES it does. So with that in mind just A/B them and make your own decisn. On a single or dual Uber210's where the power match is perfect, they were made for each other.
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I posted something like this when i first had my 6.0 new. It felt like the power was fading when the amp was pushed constanstly with a loud band against 2 Marshal-Stacks. I had the problem of the "clipping" light beeing constantly on in some songs. Te GB-people here told me not to worry about that and use the eq but this did not really solve it.

Now the point with the new digital poweramps as i understand it is that they do not clip like a traditional poweramp, but immediatly reduce the output power at one point.

Am i right when i think that PHAT will have something to do with the power fading when really hitting the 6.0 hard? Does PHAT affect this? If yes, it might be the solution for my issue with the 6.0 as i like the sound of it very much.

It should be running this cabinet. It uses the same eminence-neos as the NeoX-series.
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