Sid Vicious could play the bass

[Gilmourisgod]

I think I knew Punk was dead when Sting got his spiky hair-do, because that was the only way they could get gigs in London. Like the 60’s music devolved into The Monkees. The media latches onto every new trend and corrupts it by waving fistfuls of cash. I remember when Green Day was considered at least a little “Punk”, but they are decent players. I was never a Pistols fan, but they had their 15 minutes before selling out, like a lot of bands. It is Necessary to Eat.

 

[Panek]

By the way, I think the first proper punk album is 1970's "Fun House" by the Stooges who hailed from Michigan. Yeah, I know it wasn't called punk at the time, but all the evidence is there - the music, the sound, the production, the attitude. There's MC5 too... before that you have all those bands on comps like "Nuggets" and some of them sound 10 years ahead of 1976. Death, Pure Hell, the scene in New York... I know British music was also a influence but I always thought of punk as being a US thing.

I read somewhere that The Ramones wore ripped jeans because they couldn't afford new clothes, while the kids in England ripped theirs as a fashion statement.

All in all it was just a sign of the times on both sides of the pond and beyond, even in communist countries...

 

[Son of Wobble]

This one is up there with my all-time most spun albums, along side 'McCartney', White Album, Wailers Live!
But hey the (earlier) 1st Stooges album is pretty punk to my ear, too. Wha wha pedal was pedestrian at the time, granted, but the way Ron
metes it out on, say, 1969 is just so wicked and aggro...Like unleashing snarling dogs on the listener

 

[JimmyM]

I think I knew Punk was dead when Sting got his spiky hair-do, because that was the only way they could get gigs in London.

The Police got a job offer to play a band in a commercial but they wanted three blonde guys, so they bleached their hair, liked it, and used it as a gimmick to get people to remember them.

And they were so not punk...way too advanced chordal structure and melody to be punk.

 

[Lowbrow]

Arguably, with MC5.

Very arguably. Like, people would argue this point and I anticipate they will.

 

[Panek]

The Police got a job offer to play a band in a commercial but they wanted three blonde guys, so they bleached their hair, liked it, and used it as a gimmick to get people to remember them.

And they were so not punk...way too advanced chordal structure and melody to be punk.

 

[Lowbrow]

This one is up there with my all-time most spun albums, along side 'McCartney', White Album, Wailers Live!
But hey the (earlier) 1st Stooges album is pretty punk to my ear, too. Wha wha pedal was pedestrian at the time, granted, but the way Ron
metes it out on, say, 1969 is just so wicked and aggro...Like unleashing snarling dogs on the listener

Funny memory culled from a retrospective article in a mag called 'New Wave Rock,' circa 1978: "Iggy didn't want to be a 'punk,' ... he wanted to be a MAN." There was also a pic of the Osmond Brothers with the caption: "Now THESE GUYS are punks!"

 

[JimmyM]

That was obviously before the blonde hair, and Sting hated playing with Henry Padovani because he wasn't any good, so they say.

 

[deff]

You think American punk started with X and Black Flag? Not even close!

One could argue that Death from Detroit was punk before pretty much everyone back in 71, except for the fact that limited distribution of their material minimized their influence on others.

 

[Son of Wobble]

Funny memory culled from a retrospective article in a mag called 'New Wave Rock,' circa 1978: "Iggy didn't want to be a 'punk,' ... he wanted to be a MAN." There was also a pic of the Osmond Brothers with the caption: "Now THESE GUYS are punks!"

Here's Iggy trashing the label "punk" whilst blasting the TV host with Lydon-like contempt.

 

[Son of Wobble]

Iggy, still the epitome of punk in 1979. Great song with a great-sounding and -looking bass

 

[-Asdfgh-]

I often wondered about the sound of Trout Mask Replica - very rough and in some ways reminiscent of punk but actually very studied and art house. Music is thankfully a rich tapestry.

 

[-Asdfgh-]

I'd argue Chuck Berry.

Steve Jones did once say he was just doing Chuck Berry riffs with more distortion, so it's not actually so unreasonable a statement...

 

[-Asdfgh-]

Steve Jones and Paul Cook would have probably liked it to go longer, as they tried to make it happen again after Johnny and Sid left.

It felt a lot like it was a McLaren and Lydon venture, though, which is where I was coming from, although your point is very valid. But I think once the first two were done, it was dead. PiL lasted, though. Lydon seems to have become some sort of cartoon parody of a person, though. I doubt you got the butter adverts in the USA.

 

[deff]

It felt a lot like it was a McLaren and Lydon venture, though, which is where I was coming from, although your point is very valid. But I think once the first two were done, it was dead. PiL lasted, though. Lydon seems to have become some sort of cartoon parody of a person, though. I doubt you got the butter adverts in the USA.

Those adverts have been popping up everywhere on social media. I did really like The Professionals though.

 

[Lowbrow]

Iggy, still the epitome of punk in 1979. Great song with a great-sounding and -looking bass

And if I'm not totally mistaken, that's Glen Matlock on bass.

 

[-Asdfgh-]

Blame it on Rio: well Peru, anyway:

 

[Son of Wobble]

Punk, first and foremost, is about respect

And if I'm not totally mistaken, that's Glen Matlock on bass.

Makes sense. "I'm Bored" is from the album New Values (1977) which credits Jackie Clarke on bass.
But Matlock was aboard for the next album, Soldier (1980) and in fact boasts several co-writes on the album.
I saw that tour, incidentally, at the Hollywood Palladium, and Iggy was in a weird mood, aggressive and paranoid and disconnected at the same time.
His handlers were standing around him at the mic like Tyson's posse used to do at press conferences. A very weird vibe.
Saw Iggy with a reformed Stooges almost 30 years later on his 60 birthday, much better show. And he was more athletic, too, climbing all over Mike Watts SVT cabs....

 

[Son of Wobble]

Those adverts have been popping up everywhere on social media. I did really like The Professionals though.

Remember this one? Post-Professionals, Steve lets his hair down in El Lay...

 

[Lowbrow]

Punk, first and foremost, is about respect



Makes sense. "I'm Bored" is from the album New Values (1977) which credits Jackie Clarke on bass.
But Matlock was aboard for the next album, Soldier (1980) and in fact boasts several co-writes on the album.
I saw that tour, incidentally, at the Hollywood Palladium, and Iggy was in a weird mood, aggressive and paranoid and disconnected at the same time.
His handlers were standing around him at the mic like Tyson's posse used to do at press conferences. A very weird vibe.
Saw Iggy with a reformed Stooges almost 30 years later on his 60 birthday, much better show. And he was more athletic, too, climbing all over Mike Watts SVT cabs....

Billy Rath of The Heartbreakers did a brief touring stint with Iggy as well around this time.