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Some Shade from Ron Carter

#141
mdogs said:
Oops, I guess I wasn't clear in my sarcasm. To me, this tune is the epitome of Jaco's greatness. Such a great song and he provides the perfect backdrop. There is no one, NO ONE, other than a jazz soloist like whichever Brecker brother this is, that would have ever even thought that Jaco was over playing during his solo. He must not have been too mad, I saw Jaco years later in 1984 with both Brecker brothers and it was pretty incredible.
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The mix was a little different the night I saw that band on that tour. From what I've read things were kind of all over the place from night to night.
 
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#143
mdogs said:
Oops, I guess I wasn't clear in my sarcasm. To me, this tune is the epitome of Jaco's greatness. Such a great song and he provides the perfect backdrop. There is no one, NO ONE, other than a jazz soloist like whichever Brecker brother this is, that would have ever even thought that Jaco was over playing during his solo. He must not have been too mad, I saw Jaco years later in 1984 with both Brecker brothers and it was pretty incredible.
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Mostly, I was complaining about your every day saxophonist's attitudes and bad listening skills, which would not apply to someone as exceptional as Michael Brecker.
 
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#145
DJ Bebop said:
Yep, but still...
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Yep, still one of the better concerts I've ever attended.
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#146
Dr. Cheese said:
Shade aside, I looked at the original post, and I have to say Mr. Carter looks marvelous for a man who was 81 at the time of the picture. Whatever his opinion about bass guitars, he has made some great life choices considering that so many otherwise brilliant people from his generation destroyed themselves through drugs.

I am happy he is still among us because he is a great link to our past.
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Amen to this - funny that people talk him down for his "intonation problems". If you listened to him enough and have heard about his approach to musicality, for many years he has played around at the edges of pitch - often a 1/4 or even 1/8th tone off on one note in double stops, then slides to bring them together. He is a master at playing around the notes.
 
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bherman said:
Amen to this - funny that people talk him down for his "intonation problems". If you listened to him enough and have heard about his approach to musicality, for many years he has played around at the edges of pitch - often a 1/4 or even 1/8th tone off on one note in double stops, then slides to bring them together. He is a master at playing around the notes.
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Yep - to my ear there are some wonderful examples of this in his line on Freddie Hubbard's "Straight Life."
 
#149
Is it Carter playing on the earliest Grover Washington albums (CTI)...IIRC, much is repetitive/groove EB.
For years, I just assumed Carter was playing "Mister Magic"...learned otherwise recently.

One of my first-ever Jazz records was Bad Benson on CTI. Carter, Gadd, Barron, Airto, etc. "My Latin Brother" is very repetitive.


Probably in a Downbeat mag, Stanley Clarke talked about his feud with Carter. Sounded pretty bad, IIRC.

Anyway, I have always loved Carter in Miles' 2nd Great 5-tet + the CTI & Blue Note stuff.
 
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JimK said:
Is it Carter playing on the earliest Grover Washington albums (CTI)...IIRC, much is repetitive/groove EB.
For years, I just assumed Carter was playing "Mister Magic"...learned otherwise recently.

One of my first-ever Jazz records was Bad Benson on CTI. Carter, Gadd, Barron, Airto, etc. "My Latin Brother" is very repetitive.


Probably in a Downbeat mag, Stanley Clarke talked about his feud with Carter. Sounded pretty bad, IIRC.

Anyway, I have always loved Carter in Miles' 2nd Great 5-tet + the CTI & Blue Note stuff.
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Was this before or after they played together?
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#155
JimK said:
My Downbeat issue was from the '70s...I'll dig it out.
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OK...July 13, 1978. Clarke is on the cover.
Pg. 17-
The interviewer (Chuck Carman) sez to Clarke-
"Ron Carter said in a recent interview that you're a media hero now".
Clarke's response is quite lengthy...and apparently edited for profanity.

Many Record Reviews in these old DB magazines. Noticed this one has a review of Putter Smith's album. Smith was one of the assassins in James Bond/Diamonds Are Forever.
 
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JimK said:
OK...July 13, 1978. Clarke is on the cover.
Pg. 17-
The interviewer (Chuck Carman) sez to Clarke-
"Ron Carter said in a recent interview that you're a media hero now".
Clarke's response is quite lengthy...and apparently edited for profanity.

Many Record Reviews in these old DB magazines. Noticed this one has a review of Putter Smith's album. Smith was one of the assassins in James Bond/Diamonds Are Forever.
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Thanks, I see it.
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Don't have a copy though...
 
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Some quotes-
  • "He's jealous".
  • "If Ron spent half the energy that it took him to say that about me, he'd be a media hero, too".
  • "...get up off his ass and start kicking ass as an artist, just be an artist...".
  • "I hope that one day in his eyes I am considered a good bass player".
I'm sure they worked through it (I hope). 1978 was a long time ago.
 
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