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Some Shade from Ron Carter
- Thread starter Dr. Cheese
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ok, finally was able to read the piece: i agree with RC if only because i play the EBG the same way he's playing DB --- whether jazz or funk (even rock) i'd rather play 'freshness' than be limited to a script someone else thinks is 'correct'. signature licks/grooves are a must, of course, but they're just a point of departure for me...and by not being chained to them = they can be dramatic (vs. obvious) when returning to them at the 'right time'. playing the same line for 3-5 minutes might be a test of endurance...but it's also the lowest bar.
here's a real test of endurance:
ron carter is spot on. what some just called "passive-aggression" in his statement: i'd call diplomacy!
(if you feel offended by his POV you might consider upping your game!)
Cool. I don't approach it as an either/or proposition. There can be a place for both, even in the same project. I can lock down a static groove and free up the drummer from strict timekeeping or I can reharm on the fly.
I didn't get the impression that one was better than the other... it depends.
BTW nice take on a Weather Report/Jaco tune.
+1!
QJ is one of my favorite curmudgeons. (Great musician too!) He's so over the top at times (and does it so well) that you can't help but read some of his interviews without smiling and shaking your head while mumbling OMG! a dozen or more times before you're finished. The type of person my grandmother used to refer to, in her clipped New England accent, as "a real pisser."
And Q got roundly booed here too.
Apparently he was in the right place a couple of thousand times. Not too shabby.
And considering how many people play, having a recognizable voice is a pretty big accomplishment.
And Q got roundly booed here too.
Yeah, well that's TB. We're all intellectuals here. Every opinion makes us angry.
And what did you think that meant?
As not one of those blues guys, I wouldn't have been offended.
Yeah, well that's TB. We're all intellectuals here. Every opinion makes us angry.
TriggeredBass
That is pretty wild to distill walking bass down to just quarter notes. No chordal influence, no dynamics, etc... just a machine.
You're on a roll, Brad. All of page 10 belongs to you.
Pure legend. Nuff said.
Just his old showing big time.
Everybody gets old.
Just his old showing big time.
Everybody gets old.
You're on a roll, Brad. All of page 10 belongs to you.
I actual am enjoying this thread. Any peek into the human psyche can be fascinating.
I actual am enjoying this thread. Any peek into the human psyche can be fascinating.
I need to officially 'follow' you on here. I keep coming in like 'oh snap, Brad done swing the thought hammer', but always past tense
Posting from a 'I used to argue with Brad until it clicked for me' perspective. Type on sir.
Yeah, we clicked a while ago. Like Independence Day (the movie) it just took common adversaries.
In all seriousness, if repetitive patterns like that are problematic, lighten up. I literally can't recall the last time I cramped up. Might've been in the 80's when I was low on Potassium.
Here's a cheat: play it on a five. It accomplishes a few things: multiple playing positions so you don't have to stay in one position. Play with the F# on the B string... much shorter reach AND noticeably deeper sound. And more.
Yeah, we clicked a while ago. Like Independence Day (the movie) it just took common adversaries.
Lol! Followed!
I can see preserving classical vintage jazz as an art form but to not let it evolve and grow is death for it.
It's all jazz just, not his jazz. Brotherman Branford seems to forget that his idol Pops, was an innovator and brought jazz forward. Not leaving it frozen in time.
The same arguments comes up about anything the grows and changes over time.
Classical Music went through the same thing.
Matter of fact, all art forms have gone through this.
Remember when Bob Dylan went electric?
We go through this, P bass and an Ampeg B15 are the only tools for a 'real' bass player.
The upright bass is the only bass for jazz, the upright bass is the only bass for bass
So, I can dig if one wants to preserve something so it doesn't get forgotten and we can continue to learn
from it but to condemn the outgrowth from it seems silly to me
Gotta go and pick up my grandson...
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It becomes tiresome when these ageing jazz musicians resort to these base tactics to appear 'edgy' in interviews. Ron Carter's backhanded compliments to electric bassists are just unnecessary. It would not be a difficult task to reel off scores of electric bassists from the jazz and fusion fields who could play him under the table. To do so would be to stop to his level and afford his comments a credibility they do not deserve.
I note that Wyton Marsalis was mentioned earlier. He's an even bigger stick in the mud; so backward-looking that he fails to realise that jazz was always about breaking boundaries above setting standards. His sickly pantomime of where jazz was sixty years ago is just silly.
I note that Wyton Marsalis was mentioned earlier. He's an even bigger stick in the mud; so backward-looking that he fails to realise that jazz was always about breaking boundaries above setting standards. His sickly pantomime of where jazz was sixty years ago is just silly.
