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Sounds too modern?

Maybe because my main career was in information technology I tend to look at these things differently than some people do. And for the record I never said anything about any new standards, ridiculous or otherwise. I merely made a case that expectations and the common experience have evolved (or mutated) significantly from what went before. So to clarify, here goes:

A CD is a data file. What you’re hearing is an electronic fully synthesized computer recreation of a piece of music. There is zero original source material anywhere on a digital recording. And if the master recording is also digital (as in recorded with a digital deck or a DAW) it doesn’t make any difference no matter what it’s mastered to. Because the source was already digitized.

The quality of the reproduction is directly related to the quantization method employed. The higher the speed and bitrate of the DSP doing the conversion, the closer a digital recording can get to the curve of a sinewave. And that usually translates out to better “more realistic” fidelity. But it’s still a digitally synthesized recreation.

On an old analog tape deck mastered to a vinyl LP you are hearing the actual performance and instrument. Sound pushes an electrical current which gets electrically translated to other electrical currents that eventually hit a speaker coil which pushes a diaphragm that mechanically vibrates air into motion to produce a sound. Everything is basically a direct mechanical copy of the sound source.

Is there a real difference between the two? I think so. Does it matter in the practical sense? I think it sometimes does. Occasionally quite a bit. But either way I will say that unless they went to hear whoever they’re listening to, anybody who grew up in the age of digital recording has never once heard the actual music that they’re listening to. Which is probably one reason why live performances are far less important to music listeners than they once were, and why putting on “a show”with a high visual element has become as important as the music performance itself if you want to sell tickets. And that represents a sea change in listener preferences. At least in my little corner of the musical universe.

As far as the “rebirth of vinyl” goes, to me it’s more being driven by status and hipsters than anything else. Because what are you really listening to on a modern vinyl disk? With most commercial and virtually all semi-pro recordings, the raw tracks were digitally recorded to begin with. So your vinyl disk is still carrying a digital recreation of the original source material. Which means you’re still not hearing the actual music. Just a digital simulacrum. Much like a tube preamp and a solid-state power amp never fully captures that “heart of glass” all tube amplifier sound, so a modern vinyl LP doesn’t quite get that same feel a fully analog album has. So my earlier statment stands. Most people today have never heard a realworld music performance.

But whatever. Just my own personal take on the subject. I’m sure there are other and contrary opinions on this subject. And I’m good with that too.

It is definitely personal opinion. Most digital recordings actually sound closer to the actual instrument than most analogue recordings.

While your ligic is sound - it is leaving out the fact that analogue colours the tone more due to the recording mediuns havibg less nit more headroom. Play any cassette or vinyl and notice the noise between songs - that noise floor is always there. A digital file can go to 0. It isnt the medium that has made music less dynamic - it us the mastering techniques used. Look up volume wars - there is tons of information and examples of remasters where average volume is increased and dynamics decreased.
 
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well..I am going to have to disagree..my HLF 4x10's sound great (I use 2)..in consideration..there are a number of variables involved..I always have my cabs up on a specially constructed platform closer to ear level..the bass head and how well you are able to operate the buttons and knobs has a lot to do with it too..and I use an external rackmounted preamp before the bass head..which is another set of buttons and knobs..and lets not forget about the instrument itself..lots of variables there..and individual hearing is different too..this comment about the HLF's being midscooped is certainly misunderstood..guess its all about the wizard behind the wand..

Elevating the cab and feeding it the right EQ are good steps to control the boomy lows. Not all amps have flexible tone controls so it's not always the wizard...but in this case I would say the wizard worked some magic :thumbsup:.
 
So what is "real"?

Quid est veritas?

Now that is what’s called “a significant philosophical question.”

I’d have to say it’s dependent on whatever your philosophical stance and preferred interpretive framework are. But that gets into some heavy duty discussions involving epistemology, so lets not go there.

Quick & dirty ? Perception is reality. So within reason, it’s what you personally make it out to be.

Which is one reason I’m never too insistent on my own interpretation of things.
 
For lack of a better term, "hi-fi" is what I came up with in the effort to describe what I hear in some of the new gear available. Cabs with useable lows down below 40Hz and highs well into five figure Hz. It's difficult to verbalized what I'm attempting to describe. An Ampeg SVT410 hlf is the best example I have experienced. It sounds fantastic to me when solo'd; deep clear lows and crisp highs. When I play it in a full band, the deep clear lows become kinda muddy, the highs are a little more than a sizzle, and mids don't exist. I can boost mids with EQ, but that doesn't sound the same to me as a cabinet that actually has a natural mid presence.

Roger that. My working definition of hi-fi is really simple: sounds very good with recorded music as the input. And IME the better it sounds that way, the more likely I am to like it for bass and all the other things I require a cab to do. I've owned like 6 or 7 TL606 cabs, and many other old school-ish one or two 15 rigs over the years. I was always looking for a step forward, but that hasn't changed at all even though I consider many of the more recent designs I've played through to be a big improvement. In my world nothing sounds quite modern enough, in all honesty, but vive la difference!
 
Elevating the cab and feeding it the right EQ are good steps to control the boomy lows. Not all amps have flexible tone controls so it's not always the wizard...but in this case I would say the wizard worked some magic :thumbsup:.
thanks for your comment..my signal flow is american jazz bass with seymour duncan quarter pounders and round wounds..into a tech 21 RPM preamp..into an ampeg SVT pro 4..into two SVT HLF 4x10's....I have also recently added a lexicon MX 400 XL effects processor to my rack..with it I can get anything from hi pass filters to gates..99 factory presets..99 user presets..dual channel..
 
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But... Gen X killed off vinyl and bought CDs. Millennials killed off CDs and are buying vinyl again. What's old is cool again.

And I really don't understand the notion that CDs brought some ridiculous new standards to the party. Old CD players weren't the best, but for the most part, they just replicate something that was there. They sound more like the master than vinyl ever sounded like the master.

I do think the introduction of CDs had a strong impact on the way recordings are mixed. But perhaps the mechanism was not directly CDs. I read there was a rush to re-release material on CD, and a lot of those CDs were extremely harsh and grainy sounding because they didn't properly remaster for the different medium. Inevitability when people see or hear something they will copy it, so new recordings were made to sound harsh and grainy :vomit:.

It's pretty rare to find recordings that were made after CDs became popular that posses the sweetness of earlier recordings...but is this because of the medium or because tastes have changed. Or was it because of economic reasons? I have also read that the recording industry changed it's cost structure significantly about this same time and greatly reduced the amount of money (on average) spent on the recording process.

To make matters worse. Modern digital mediums are a lot more compressed** than CD and IMHO the difference in sound is quite audible on true HIFI equipment...but the focus now is on portability and few care about HIFI. Given the source material is relatively LOFI, running HIFI gear becomes less appealing and the need for truly HIF recordings is no longer a priority. **(Note. I mean digitally compressed to reduce file size, not audio signal compression)
 
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This begs the question..."What’s considered a 'good bass sound' these days?"

15 years or so ago, it seems the SVT and 810 was emerging as the preferred tone again. A lot of people still love that sound. Today there are lots of good bass sounds and also some crappy ones. Play what you like and don't worry about it, because we all have different tastes. I personally think an 810 sounds great in certain styles of music, but when I use one of these cabinets I feel totally disattached from my instrument. @JimmyM would probably rather gouge his eyeballs out rather than use my live tone.
I am pretty sure that I'd rather keep my eyeballs and suck it up for one night :D

On the other hand, I've been leaving my SVT and 810 at home for the most part, and my last three gigs were fly gigs, which means backline-supplied SVT and 810e, and I really missed it! Going to make a concerted effort to use it more often, because I feel so attached to my instrument when I do.

Funny how that works :D
 
This begs the question..."What’s considered a 'good bass sound' these days?"

I don't really think it begs (which presumes there is a quantifiable and settled definition of "best") or even asks the question what's a "good" bass sound. I don't think anybody here thinks they have an all encompassing and a universally acceptable answer to that question.

I think it more comes down to what's considered an acceptable bass sound. And that's more a reflection of whatever the contemporary musical tastes of a particular era are.
 
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It is definitely personal opinion. Most digital recordings actually sound closer to the actual instrument than most analogue recordings.

I don't find myself in agreement with that.

While your ligic is sound - it is leaving out the fact that analogue colours the tone more due to the recording mediuns havibg less nit more headroom. Play any cassette or vinyl and notice the noise between songs - that noise floor is always there. A digital file can go to 0. It isnt the medium that has made music less dynamic - it us the mastering techniques used. Look up volume wars - there is tons of information and examples of remasters where average volume is increased and dynamics decreased.

I'd respectfully submit that such coloration and a noise floor more accurately reflect the ambiance of a natural acoustic environment more than the clinically clean and noiseless sonic space a digital recording lives in.

There is noise in a digital recording btw. There is always noise. But the way your signal interacts with the noise floor in digital is different than it is in an analog recording.

In an analog recording, increasing the signal gain also increases the noise. In a digital environment, the noise floor level and quantizing error are fixed. Increasing the input signal does not have any effect on that. Neither does decreasing it. That floor is always right where it is. So the hotter the signal, the better the noise floor gets masked. Which is the exact opposite of what happens with analog.

Unlike analog, lowering the input level in digital results in less masking of any noise. So with a digital recording you always want to record (within reason) the highest level you can get - as opposed to analog where you want the highest signal possible just shy of clipping. Because lowering the input level in digital has the odd sonic effect of making the noise seem to increase. That's something that can't physically occur in nature. And it's also something our ears immediately pick up on and our brain flags as: "something's very wrong here."
 
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I don't really think it begs (which presumes there is a quantifiable and settled definition of "best") or even asks the question what's a "good" bass sound. I don't think anybody here thinks they have an all encompassing and a universally acceptable answer to that question.

I think it more comes down to what's considered an acceptable bass sound. And that's more a reflection of whatever the contemporary musical tastes of a particular era are.

True, but two people with tastes at opposite ends of the spectrum may think they have the best possible tone and yet find each others preferences completely unacceptable.

In some settings you go for a certain :poop:y quality. By itself (or in a different setting) the sound would be awful, but in proper context it is magic. So in this instance, "acceptable" is not absolute or universal; it is context based. In some respects, this is the opposite of bedroom tone that sounds awesome in isolation but doesn't work well in the mix.

As an example of :poop:y quality. One time I was listening to some old Doobie Brothers tunes with our vocalist. She commented on how terrible the bass sounded. I couldn't disagree that I thought the tone of the bass was terrible, but it was also perfect. IMHO, Those recordings would be ruined if the tone of the bass was altered.
 
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I don't find myself in agreement with that.



I'd respectfully submit that such coloration and a noise floor more accurately reflect the ambiance of a natural acoustic environment more than the clinically clean and noiseless sonic space a digital recording lives in.

There is noise in a digital recording btw. There is always noise. But the way your signal interacts with the noise floor in digital is different than it is in an analog recording.

In an analog recording, increasing the signal gain also increases the noise. In a digital environment, the noise floor level and quantizing error are fixed. Increasing the input signal does not have any effect on that. Neither does decreasing it. That floor is always right where it is. So the hotter the signal, the better the noise floor gets masked. Which is the exact opposite of what happens with analog.

Unlike analog, lowering the input level in digital results in less masking of any noise. So with a digital recording you always want to record (within reason) the highest level you can get - as opposed to analog where you want the highest signal possible just shy of clipping. Because lowering the input level in digital has the odd sonic effect of making the noise seem to increase. That's something that can't physically occur in nature. And it's also something our ears immediately pick up on and our brain flags as: "something's very wrong here."
Im talking about the hum of a cassette player ir stylus and the possible scratchiness.

There is no argument and it isn't subject to opinion - digital is cleaner and has a higher snr.

What is done with our digital files is very different.
 
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Im talking about the hum of a cassette player ir stylus and the possible scratchiness.

There is no argument and it isn't subject to opinion - digital is cleaner and has a higher snr.

What is done with our digital files is very different.

Perhaps comparing analog to digital masters would be best...to my understanding the final digital product that reaches consumers is significantly degraded to reduce file size. IE I believe CD quality sound is a step up from what most consumers get these days.
 
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True, but two people with tastes at opposite ends of the spectrum may think they have the best possible tone and yet find each others preferences completely unacceptable.

LOL! Yeah...there are those. But people like you and me let those two twerps slug it out while we go grab a a drink and a pizza somewhere, talk shop, and swap tips, tricks, and war stories. Because we're more interested in what works than in proving some theoretical points we might personally hold near and dear.

In some settings you go for a certain :poop:y quality. By itself (or in a different setting) the sound would be awful, but in proper context it is magic. So in this instance, "acceptable" is not absolute or universal; it is context based. In some respects, this is the opposite of bedroom tone that sounds awesome in isolation but doesn't work well in the mix.

Couldn't agree with you more. :thumbsup:

There's a place for retro sound and lo-fi. I've become interested in roots type music lately and I'll be the first to say that crappy instruments, less than virtuoso performances, and dicey recordings in no way take away from the musical validity and outright charm of "just music" being made by "just people" with no affect or genius anywhere in evidence. It's refreshing and very human. And I find myself enjoying it quite a bit. Far cry from my old days as a "very serious young man" and unrepentant prog snob.

One time I was listening to some old Doobie Brothers tunes with our vocalist. She commented on how terrible the bass sounded. I couldn't disagree that I thought the tone of the bass was terrible, but it was also perfect. IMHO, Those recordings would be ruined if the tone of the bass was altered.

Also agree. I always thought Taking It to the Streets was a textbook example showing why not everyone should be allowed to play an electric bass just because they could afford to own one. And I also can't think of a bass sound that could possibly work better with that song than what Tiran Porter played for it on that recording.
 
Im talking about the hum of a cassette player ir stylus and the possible scratchiness.

Those are issues with the playback mechanism and mechanical medium - not the recording process itself, and which was what I was talking about.

There is no argument and it isn't subject to opinion - digital is cleaner and has a higher snr.

Going purely by the numbers you are correct.

I guess you put considerably more weight on specs as opposed to the actual musical listening experience than I do. And that's fine. SNR isn't the be-all-end-all however. Nor is "cleaner" something that's necessarily desirable. And I know more than a few recording engineers and professionals who would agree with me on that.

The audible real world is neither 'clean' nor does it posses exceptionally high signal to noise characteristics. Noise is also routinely and deliberately introduced into music recording to avoid that boring squeaky clean ambiance so many of us don't care for.

Bottom line: it's all a matter of what you prefer when it comes to actual practice. I'm of the personal opinion that a fair amount of what digital technology brought to the party was an attempt to solve musical problems that weren't actually problems at all. And solutions to non-existent problems are something I do note in passing to see what can be learned from them. Beyond that, I don't tend to dwell much on them afterwards. But that's probably just me. :)
 
Bottom line: it's all a matter of what you prefer when it comes to actual practice. I'm of the personal opinion that a fair amount of what digital technology brought to the party was an attempt to solve musical problems that weren't actually problems at all. And solutions to non-existent problems are something I do note in passing to see what can be learned from them. Beyond that, I don't tend to dwell much on them afterwards. But that's probably just me. :)
Would you want to the era of vinyl records, mini cassettes, bouncing tracks and splicing 1/4" tape? I certainly don't.

Digital gave consumers an option that was easier to use than vinyl; provided the same portability as cassettes with higher fidelity; and produced cleaner recordings. That was enough for CDs to win over consumers, despite the higher initial prices and "colder" sound. (And no, the industry didn't force anyone to switch; plenty of format changes have failed, including Laserdisc, SACD, HDCD, DAT, quad sound etc).

On the production side, digital dramatically improved the ability of recording engineers to edit audio, and gave musicians a huge range of effects. It is the best archive option, as there is no physical original which can deteriorate or get lost.

The unlimited replicability of digital has had both positive and negative consequences. On the positive side, musical recordings can be distributed at low cost and on demand to a variety of devices (you will have to pry my Sonos and streaming services from my cold dead hands :D). Financial incentives to mine back catalogs resulted in wide availability of more music than ever before. On the negative side, it has seriously harmed musicians' income from recordings in a variety of ways.

As with almost every technological change, there are tradeoffs, not all understood in advance. Esoteric changes in audio quality that most people don't even notice may be critical to you, but I don't even notice it anymore. Neither do the overwhelming majority of the audience.
 
I know we're getting way off in the tall grass here, but I can think of a few examples of where a release sounded much better on one medium, and not on others. One great example, for me, is Doyle Bramhall's Rich Man. Completely hate it on vinyl.... No better on mp3..... But an all time favorite in FLAC format. There are things sonically happening the just don't translate well, but come through beautifully in FLAC. The overall sheen and production quality feels and sounds great. I find that on most newer releases on vinyl. Conversely Miles Davis' Kind Of Blue, while sounding great, especially on high re FLAC, doesn't compare to the vinyl lp, especially in mono. The digital lacks the color of the lp. I tend to think it comes down to what it was produced and engineered for.
 
I happen to like the sound of an all tube amp going into a cab loaded with a 15” or (dare I say this) an 18” folded horn. I like the warm musical quality you get with those. And I make no apologies for it.

What’s considered a “good bass sound” these days is totally different than what the standard was prior to the mid-80s. And I think that is mainly due to the invention of the CD.

This is just my take on it. So feel free to disagree.

When people finally got used to the sound of CDs - but only after being weaned away from mag tape and vinyl and re-educated* to accept their unatural ultra clean and very bright sonic quality as “natural” - our instruments and amps started being built to better replicate that same sort of sound. Which is to say clear, bright, and very full range, along with that odd edginess digital sound reproduction brings to the party.

If you listen to a lot of live music, or vinyl LPs through an older stereo system, you’ll know what I mean by digital “edginess.” If you’ve been listening to nothing but CDs and MP3s for the most part, your ears won’t have anything to compare to and you probably don’t notice it any more.

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*I say “re-educated” because when CDs first came out there were a surprising number of people who didn’t like the way they sounded. Negative comments such as: weird, unnatural, way too bright, unpleasantly clean, brittle, glassy, and two-dimensional were fairly common.

The industry solved that problem by the simple expediency of gradually killing off vinyl and cassette formats. And for awhile CDs actually were the only thing available for about 10 years until some diehards resurrected vinyl LPs. So even those who genuinely didn’t like the new digital sound were SOL and basically made to switch over. And now it appears that music streaming is soon to replace the selling of virtually all music on physical media. Fortunately, the new generation has no problem with that. They grew up listening to nothing but digital music formats, so that’s what sounds “natural” and “right” to their ears. New generation - new musical standards.

Their world now.

Sic transit gloria mundi. (As kurt said: “So it goes.”) ;)


I have a close friend who's a musician and an audiophile, and he very much prefers analog recordings, and vinyl. I don't think I have his "ears", but I bought a digitally remastered version of Led Zeppelin II, and I was really digging it. When he heard the disc for the first time, he couldn't get through the first track, - like it was hurting his ears.

I may not be able to hear a noticeable difference between digital and analog, but he definitely can. And I've always respected his ears, so I agree with you, there is a difference between the two.
 
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I have a close friend who's a musician and an audiophile, and he very much prefers analog recordings, and vinyl. I don't think I have his "ears", but I bought a digitally remastered version of Led Zeppelin II, and I was really digging it. When he heard the disc for the first time, he couldn't get through the first track, - like it was hurting his ears.

I may not be able to hear a noticeable difference between digital and analog, but he definitely can. And I've always respected his ears, so I agree with you, there is a difference between the two.

Try listening to the vinyl and then the digital back to back...... You'll hear it. My wife, who knows nothing about sound can hear and appreciate the difference..... But as I mention earlier, I think some things, especially newer stuff, sounds better digital.
 
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Would you want to the era of vinyl records, mini cassettes, bouncing tracks and splicing 1/4" tape? I certainly don't.

Wow! There's a lot to unpack in your post but I'll do my best to address each of your points.

Do I want to go back to the old days of fully analog recording and mastering? Probably not. But the limitations weren't as insurmountable as they're made out to be. You needed to understand a little better how things worked, and you needed to be clever at times since there weren't programmers around being clever for you like they are today. But for the record, I'm digital like most everyone else these days. I use Harrison Console's Mixbus 32c DAW software and a Focusrite Scarlett interface for whatever more complex multitrack recording I'll occasionally do. For day to day stuff I'll often just go with a quiet room and a Zoom H4N Pro field recorder and do it all live. Interestingly enough, that sounds pretty good too. I wish I still had access to the old tape gear I learned on. But I'm not so gung-ho about it that I won't record digitally. I'd rather get something done than hold out for something I might prefer to use. I'd be silly to think any other way.

Digital gave consumers an option that was easier to use than vinyl; provided the same portability as cassettes with higher fidelity; and produced cleaner recordings. That was enough for CDs to win over consumers, despite the higher initial prices and "colder" sound. (And no, the industry didn't force anyone to switch; plenty of format changes have failed, including Laserdisc, SACD, HDCD, DAT, quad sound etc).

Got news. If you were a diehard cassette user you were forced to switch. The labels decided to stop releasing albums on cassette format. So if you wanted new music your choice was go over to CD or lump it. The industry cited rapidly declining sales. But that wasn't surprising since they began pulling titles from distribution on tape to retailers. Once the sales numbers were sufficiently low they cited that as "proof" consumers no longer wanted to buy cassettes and stopped making them altogether. Not that cassette quality was anything to mourn. But killing off the format led to a far more rapid adoption of CD than would have occurred otherwise.

The reasons why competing formats like Laserdisc, SACD, HDCD, and quadrophonic didn't fly are a bit more complex than most people realize. Laserdisc was very expensive for the time and there was a huge amount of confusion due to a similarly named competing product that did what it could to muddy the waters with potential buyers. So between high cost and consumer confusion, it all eventually died. Which was a shame. Laserdisc was vastly superior in quality to the video tapes that came along later.

Betamax was technically superior to VHS. But Sony wanted to keep it all to itself whereas Victor Japan happily licensed their technology to anybody who wanted to build a player. The public generally doesn't like being single sourced for something like a movie player, so Betamax fell to the inferior but more affordable and widely available VHS format and players. Sony repeated the same mistake later on with their mini discs and that device suffered the same fate.

SACD (another thing Sony was involved with) got into a format war with DVD-Audio and forced record labels to choose sides. Because consumers didn't want to get into another format war like they did with Beta and VHS, nobody bought many of either and both those formats went the way of the dodo.

HDCD required a proprietary decoder on the playback device and most manufacturers elected not to license it because there wasn't sufficient public demand and the licensing fees were a little steep. So the combination of a high cost license plus public apathy doomed HDCD.

With quadraphonic a war broke out between two competing incompatible coding formats and consumers were worried about investing significant cash in quad receivers and turntables not knowing which of the two competing standards would win out. Most people decided standard two channel stereo would do just fine instead.

So...what emerges from all this is that mutually incompatible and proprietary formats and licensing have been the main impediments to getting new media technologies generally adopted. Not the technological merits. Many of the failed products and formats offered measurably superior user experiences. But nobody wants to get stuck with an orphan device no matter how good it is. Or own media that becomes unreadable because the playback devices are no longer available or repairable. Libraries that carry media assets are already very concerned about this.

Funny thing is how this all was a repeat of the lesson that was learned when records first became available. Each player (RCA, Edison, Victorola, etc.) could only play records specifically made for that player. And these companies began to compete by trying to lock in as many artists as possible on their in-house label. If you wanted Caruso, you either bought the record player and label he was on or you did without. And that practice slowed the adoption of records since most listeners weren't keen on buying three or four players to cover everything. However, once the universal 78 RPM record came out and was released as a cross industry standard, the market for recorded music exploded. And these companies wound up making far more money selling players for a universal standard than they ever did trying to own the whole thing. And the record labels sold far more records that they ever did before as well.

Takeaway: proprietary formats are the kiss of death in a world that wants universal formats.

DAT on the other hand was killed by a recording industry that didn't want a recording device that could duplicate a commercial tape or disk with fidelity as good as the original. They attempted to force restrictive licensing on DAT ownership, have the government asses a special tax on DAT media that would be directly paid to the major recording companies, conducted a massive disinformation campaign that pretended DAT decks were illegal in the United States (they weren't), etc. And it had its desired effect. The buying public was left confused and spooked about DAT and that was the end of it.

CDs didn't run into issues with the labels for awhile because there was no economical way to duplicate one early on. But once RW capable computer CD drives started becoming popular the screaming resumed once again. Ditto when RW DVD drives became broadly affordable.

Right now the industry's big emphasis is on streaming. And the motivation is control - although it's being marketed to consumers for it's convenience. The goal is to take all hard media out of the hands of consumers who could otherwise play it back on whatever they wanted wherever they wanted - or (god forbid!) loan it to a friend to use or (gasp!) possibly even duplicate. Satellite radio subscriptions like Sirius pointed the way to what they hope the future will be. Each playback device will require an annual subscription (like a Sirius radio does) - and is licensed to the user rather than sold outright. Think you own you sat-radio or smartphone? Look at the customer agreement you blindly signed when you handed them your credit card. They still own the device they "sold" you. They just granted you a right to use it. Want to play something you subscribed to on your house system? Maybe you can and maybe you can't. Netflix allows five devices on one subscription. Acorn TV allows one. Sirius requires each of their radios have their own subscription. If you didn't buy a docking type unit forget about playing what you subscribed to for your car on the unit you just bought for the house - unless you want to subscribe on that unit as well.

Eventually hard media (disks, tapes, etc.) will be eliminated by industry fiat and everything will come down through metered and monitored streaming services. Even now there's a lot of movies that are only available via streaming. Want a DVD or BlueRay of some movie you love? Don't be so sure one is available. Or is ever going to be. On Amazon I'm seeing how more and more titles are now only available for streaming. The DVD and BlueRay versions are gradually disappearing from their website.


On the production side, digital dramatically improved the ability of recording engineers to edit audio, and gave musicians a huge range of effects.


It's also led to a lot of overproduced music and recordings, often also made by people who don't have the level of craft expertise many in the old guard did. Many of that clan could go in and just nail it. Today it often involves a lot of cut & try. A little dithering with this and a lot of tweaking with that, and trying this plug-in and that one and... Dunno. That's not knowing what you're doing to me.

Or at least so I think.

It is the best archive option, as there is no physical original which can deteriorate or get lost.

I've been in IT for over 35 years and I'm familiar with virtually any storage media and encoding format you can name. And I can categorically tell you stored digital information is not immune to data loss or deterioration. In addition to a phenomena known as "bitrot" all information is ultimately stored on some physical device somewhere. And any device is subject to failure or degradation. As many businesses which have maintained years worth of meticulously made and stored backups on media sometimes learn when they needed to restore something. Optical and electronic storage is not the panacea it's made out to be. Anytime an IT professional needs to restore something from backup media that's more than a few years old, they take a deep breath and cross their fingers.

The unlimited replicability of digital has had both positive and negative consequences. On the positive side, musical recordings can be distributed at low cost and on demand to a variety of devices (you will have to pry my Sonos and streaming services from my cold dead hands :D). Financial incentives to mine back catalogs resulted in wide availability of more music than ever before. On the negative side, it has seriously harmed musicians' income from recordings in a variety of ways.

True enough. Especially how it didn't benefit the content creators.

Kinda sad in a way.

In the old days, the musicians had the pleasure of being robbed blind by their agents, their record labels, and broadcast industry.

With the advent of MP3 and the Internet they now have the added pleasure of being severely ripped off by many of their fans.

New wine in old bottles - but the same wine just the same.

I think that's what's called: "Business as usual."

As with almost every technological change, there are tradeoffs, not all understood in advance.

This! A thousand times this. :thumbsup:

Esoteric changes in audio quality that most people don't even notice may be critical to you, but I don't even notice it anymore. Neither do the overwhelming majority of the audience.

It's hardly esoteric. But to your point it's a learned thing. If you don't care, or you've been reeducated to hear things in a different way, it absolutely won't matter. No argument there.

As far as the overwhelming majority goes, I think you need to proceed according to you own lights and standards. Maybe nobody else cares. But if it makes a difference to you I think it's good for your own self and integrity to do it anyway.

Nobody cares? Do it anyway.

Hardly anybody can hear it besides you? Do it anyway.

It doesn't matter if you don't do it? Do it anyway.

A powerful mantra that is: Just do it anyway. :)


tl:dr - This whole post is way too long. Go practice your bass and don't waste your time with it.
 

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