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[Quatschmacher]

Any plans to make more CC commands available? One thing I'd LOVE on the C4 is the ability to toggle the latch for a sequence... I think you'd want to turn ENVELOPE OFF for that, right? I'm not positive on that, I know I've had some sequences latch (just start playing endlessly), I think that was how to do it. Some more ADSR settings would be sweet, too!

You can use the CC command to switch the envelope detection input - that stops the envelopes retriggering upon each new note. Using the CC to switch envelope off for the voices on use too. With careful setting of other parameters, you can get it to mimic a latched sequencer.

 

[lordradish]

You can use the CC command to switch the envelope detection input - that stops the envelopes retriggering upon each new note. Using the CC to switch envelope off for the voices on use too. With careful setting of other parameters, you can get it to mimic a latched sequencer.

Thanks. I'll dive into this tonight and see what I can figure out. Is there more to it than this ('careful setting of other parameters')?

 

[Quatschmacher]

Thanks. I'll dive into this tonight and see what I can figure out. Is there more to it than this ('careful setting of other parameters')?

I just meant stuff like not setting the filter cutoff too low so that you can still hear the sound, etc.

 

[lordradish]

I just meant stuff like not setting the filter cutoff too low so that you can still hear the sound, etc.

Gotcha. So apart from the little tweaks, I want to send two CC commands, basically? One to stop the envelope from retriggering, and one to switch envelope for voices off? Aren't those the same thing? Sorry I'm being obtuse, here, not quite following you.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Gotcha. So apart from the little tweaks, I want to send two CC commands, basically? One to stop the envelope from retriggering, and one to switch envelope for voices off? Aren't those the same thing? Sorry I'm being obtuse, here, not quite following you.

No, they aren’t quite the same thing.

The “envelope off” option on the voices means the oscillators just drone constantly. It switches off the volume envelope control.

Switching the pitch detection from input 1 to input 2 will stop any (new) notes from being triggered but will also prevent envelopes (volume and filter) from retriggering.

 

[rsmith601]

Hey, @rsmith601 ...
the C4 has been a game changer, and sits nicely with my Nemesis and Aftershock. Few questions/suggestions, if you have the time...

Any plans to make more CC commands available? One thing I'd LOVE on the C4 is the ability to toggle the latch for a sequence... I think you'd want to turn ENVELOPE OFF for that, right? I'm not positive on that, I know I've had some sequences latch (just start playing endlessly), I think that was how to do it. Some more ADSR settings would be sweet, too!

Any updates for the Cloud? Some sort of tagging system's really needed, as it's pretty laborious going through pages and pages of patches when one's looking for a particular vibe or style... if it's not in the title, it can't really be searched. This'd be so helpful.

No plans to do any new CC work a the moment. But, we can add this to the wish list! @Gibs210

I personally like to use the web tool for Neuro to search for things. It is faster and easier than the one in the editor. Check it out:
Neuro Community by Source Audio

 

[lordradish]

No, they aren’t quite the same thing.

The “envelope off” option on the voices means the oscillators just drone constantly. It switches off the volume envelope control.

Switching the pitch detection from input 1 to input 2 will stop any (new) notes from being triggered but will also prevent envelopes (volume and filter) from retriggering.

Okay, thanks. I'll mess with this more tonight.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Okay, thanks. I'll mess with this more tonight.

One thing to watch out for is that the SA pedals don’t always deal well with multiple MIDI CC messages - you may need to add a short delay to subsequent messages.

 

[lordradish]

One thing to watch out for is that the SA pedals don’t always deal well with multiple MIDI CC messages - you may need to add a short delay to subsequent messages.

Good to know. I believe I can do that with the Midibaby I have.

 

[GMC]

I finally maxxed out my C4's patches. Lol...I think I need to supplement my C4 with a Spectrum soon! Then my spectrum can handle the filters and octaves...leaving my C4 to handle all the other synthy stuff.

 

[rsmith601]

I finally maxxed out my C4's patches. Lol...I think I need to supplement my C4 with a Spectrum soon! Then my spectrum can handle the filters and octaves...leaving my C4 to handle all the other synthy stuff.

Excellent plan!!

 

[AlexanderB]

I finally maxxed out my C4's patches. Lol...I think I need to supplement my C4 with a Spectrum soon! Then my spectrum can handle the filters and octaves...leaving my C4 to handle all the other synthy stuff.

Out of curiousity, how many fundamentally different sounds do you actually have in it? Because, I GUESS many of your patches are variations of the same, but with tweaks ie for a solo passage, or verse vs chorus?

Personally, I could probably come up with 40 different sounds (not tweaks!) useful for the music I play. 120 would be a real stretch, not to come up with, but to find usable in the bands.

 

[GMC]

Out of curiousity, how many fundamentally different sounds do you actually have in it? Because, I GUESS many of your patches are variations of the same, but with tweaks ie for a solo passage, or verse vs chorus?

Personally, I could probably come up with 40 different sounds (not tweaks!) useful for the music I play. 120 would be a real stretch, not to come up with, but to find usable in the bands.

I certainly don't use all 128, there's a bit of redundancy / back ups in there too.
One of the reason I'd like to add a Spectrum is that I feel like I'm stretching my C4 to cover too much. If I have a Spectrum to handle my Octave and Filter duties, it allows me to use more of my C4's synth patches.

I have my top 6, like every one else. However, I'm finding that most of these are taken up with octavers and filters. Slot 1 is my Funkulator patch. Slot 2 is my generic OC-2 patch. Slot 3 is loaded with the QM FM Upright bass 7b patch that Quatsmacher. Slot 4 is a Chopper patch. Slot 5 is a tweeked XeroD patch. Slot 6 is ProtonLenny's BladeRunnerBrass patch. These are my most used noodling patches. They tend to be patches that I want to flick into after calling a main patch on my ES-5.

One of my fav patches to call up on my C4 via my ES-5 patches is a really simple Classic tremolo. I use that a lot and it's often re-mapped to my Mute button via midi. But it's not in my top 6 as it's not something I want to flick into. I have a lot of sequenced stuff like the I feel Love patch, Nightcrawler is just fun to show off what the C4 can do. Uberwaves, DAFT SEQ are a lot of fun to play with. I have about 10 different patches that do strings. These are great through a big delay / verb for ambience and pads. I have about 10 different filters of various sorts and about 15 different octavers. There's a few backups in there that I could probably remove. Anything in my 1-6 patch bays are copies from the bigger list, so I don't accidentally delete something.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Slot 3 is loaded with the QM FM Upright bass 7b patch that Quatsmacher.

Nice to hear. That reminds me, as I recently sold the bass I wrote this patch on, I probably ought to revisit it and tweak it for my P bass.

 

[AlexanderB]

I certainly don't use all 128, there's a bit of redundancy / back ups in there too.
One of the reason I'd like to add a Spectrum is that I feel like I'm stretching my C4 to cover too much. If I have a Spectrum to handle my Octave and Filter duties, it allows me to use more of my C4's synth patches.

I have my top 6, like every one else. However, I'm finding that most of these are taken up with octavers and filters. Slot 1 is my Funkulator patch. Slot 2 is my generic OC-2 patch. Slot 3 is loaded with the QM FM Upright bass 7b patch that Quatsmacher. Slot 4 is a Chopper patch. Slot 5 is a tweeked XeroD patch. Slot 6 is ProtonLenny's BladeRunnerBrass patch. These are my most used noodling patches. They tend to be patches that I want to flick into after calling a main patch on my ES-5.

One of my fav patches to call up on my C4 via my ES-5 patches is a really simple Classic tremolo. I use that a lot and it's often re-mapped to my Mute button via midi. But it's not in my top 6 as it's not something I want to flick into. I have a lot of sequenced stuff like the I feel Love patch, Nightcrawler is just fun to show off what the C4 can do. Uberwaves, DAFT SEQ are a lot of fun to play with. I have about 10 different patches that do strings. These are great through a big delay / verb for ambience and pads. I have about 10 different filters of various sorts and about 15 different octavers. There's a few backups in there that I could probably remove. Anything in my 1-6 patch bays are copies from the bigger list, so I don't accidentally delete something.

Thank you for describing your selection. I am starting to learn my new Future Impact, and like you, I can see myself saving ie. 5-10 Moog varaitions, to be able to quickly switch, if I need to "tweak" something at rehearsal or on stage.

 

[In3d1ble]

Does anyone know If there is a preset sounding like this in C4 community?



And if not, would it be fairly easy to dial it in? Any tips where to start, what envelope, distortion etc settings to use?

I'm being obsessed with that sound past couple of days and would really love to have that in my arsenal.

 

[GMC]

Does anyone know If there is a preset sounding like this in C4 community?



And if not, would it be fairly easy to dial it in? Any tips where to start, what envelope, distortion etc settings to use?

I'm being obsessed with that sound past couple of days and would really love to have that in my arsenal.

I'm pretty sure there's a ton of these types of patches on the Spectrum patch list...which is 100% compatable with the C4

 

[Quatschmacher]

Does anyone know If there is a preset sounding like this in C4 community?



And if not, would it be fairly easy to dial it in? Any tips where to start, what envelope, distortion etc settings to use?

I'm being obsessed with that sound past couple of days and would really love to have that in my arsenal.

Dusk is a 2-pole lowpass. Envelope here is a standard downward envelope (you can hear that it opens back up towards the end of the note. Use one of the standard (wah-type, the ones near the top of the list) envelopes and invert the envelope. @GisserD has a Frazz Dazzler so can probably tell you more about what kind of fuzz it is. I seem to recall it was gated but can’t remember if it does an octavia kind of thing.

Probably one voice with octave routed into distortion then into the filter. Second voice with clean routed into distortion then into the filter.

Dusk can pretty much self-oscillate so has a bigger resonance range than C4 but you can probably get there.

 

[GMC]

Dusk is a 2-pole lowpass. Envelope here is a standard downward envelope (you can hear that it opens back up towards the end of the note. Use one of the standard (wah-type, the ones near the top of the list) envelopes and invert the envelope. @GisserD has a Frazz Dazzler so can probably tell you more about what kind of fuzz it is. I seem to recall it was gated but can’t remember if it does an octavia kind of thing.

Probably one voice with octave routed into distortion then into the filter. Second voice with clean routed into distortion then into the filter.

Dusk can pretty much self-oscillate so has a bigger resonance range than C4 but you can probably get there.

Listening to some youtube vids...the Frazz Dazzler has 2 different clipping circuits. It sounds like (to me) a fairly straight forwards mixable muff (with no compression) on the left toggle and a simple gated fuzz on the right toggle. So fairly easy to replicate on the C4, however you only have one distortion engine available on the C4, so you'll need a patch of each setting. The Ultawave can do these two tones and morph between them easily.

 

[GMC]

Listening to some youtube vids...the Frazz Dazzler has 2 different clipping circuits. It sounds like (to me) a fairly straight forwards mixable muff (with no compression) on the left toggle and a simple gated fuzz on the right toggle. So fairly easy to replicate on the C4, however you only have one distortion engine available on the C4, so you'll need a patch of each setting. The Ultawave can do these two tones and morph between them easily.

In the C4 those would equate to the "Moderate" or "Gated Fuzz" distortion types. The mix control has a huge affect on the sound of each distortion model. A hi dry mix and high drive settings will give you a buzzy sound, pull back on the mix and drive and you'll dial in a more solid fuzz tone.

On the Ultrawave, turn off the compression, 1-band no split, 2- Hard clip and 6- Diode gate for the morph settings. Assign that to an expression and you have two engines that can be morphed / blended under foot.

With the Aftershock, I would dial in a bass tube drive, with a high gain, dial out some treble and play with the voice settings to taste (kind of a mids +/- notch eq) and set Channel 2 to either a bass gated fuzz and cascade the two channels in the routing options...keeping the output and gain very low for each channel. Or use just the one channel and turn on the noise gate and push up the Noise Gate Threshold. That's another way to add a gated option in the Aftershock and Ultrawave, I've only spotted that trick recently. On the Aftershock, you can only assign a limited number of parameters to a direct connected expression. However, is you are lucky enough to have Expression over Midi CC...then you can assign a Midi CC number or Gate threshold value in the Aftershock's Midi map. This would then assign the frequency the amount of Gate is applied under foot. Recntly, I've been finding this type of gate is slightly better in emulating a gated fuzz than the distortion type model. I've got a fairly decent Mastotron sound...although it's not quite as good as the version's I've got from the Ultrawave.