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[GMC]

Check out FaderFox.

I just have! My PC4 arrived in the post earlier today. It's an interesting device. I have it working great when directly midi connected to my Neuro Hub. It's a passing Midi CC to my 5 hub attached One Series pedals and then it's passing onto one of My attached Eventide H9's. A slight issue I have at the moment is that my Quadra Thru box seems to prevent any CC messages from my PC4. It's also crazy that they only supply one TRS B to Midi Din cable! The Manual's Midi instructions are very cryptic. I've sent an email to FaderFox asking for some help.
My bottom row of faders are configured to send Midi CC to my Spectrum, C4, Lunar and EQ2 with corresponding output CC's mapped. So those faders now act as a level out control for each of these 4 pedals. It's peeved me for a long while, not having a dedicated level out knob on the Lunar, C4 and Spectrum.

 

[bassjamn]

does the C4 step sequencer sync to a midi clock via its usb? Planning to use ableton as the midi clock source.

 

[Quatschmacher]

does the C4 step sequencer sync to a midi clock via its usb? Planning to use ableton as the midi clock source.

It does, but it’s a bit buggy (though I was using mine with my hub and its 5-pin ports so it might fare better straight into usb).

 

[bassjamn]

It does, but it’s a bit buggy (though I was using mine with my hub and its 5-pin ports so it might fare better straight into usb).

thanks Quatschmacher, hey since I’ve seen you post many times on the future impact thread, my goal was to feed the FI sound into the c4 sequencer, have you tried that?

 

[Quatschmacher]

thanks Quatschmacher, hey since I’ve seen you post many times on the future impact thread, my goal was to feed the FI sound into the c4 sequencer, have you tried that?

I haven’t yet, it was on the list of things to try to route my FI into the second C4 input.

 

[Oddmetersam]

I've had the C4 for about 2 weeks. The online library of presets via the neuro editor is nothing short of fantastic but most need tweaking starting with the fact that since they are all created under different original circumstances (type of bass and plucking technique, for starters) there are wild differences in volume when auditioning them. Some of these are very loud when you first click on them so I turn my bass -- in passive mode since that seems to work best for me -- all the way down before I click on the next preset in the library then bring the volume up slowly. Even after the global input sensitivity setup of the pedal to match your playing, you may still have to make adjustments in the screen display for input and output levels for each preset to get the best sounds without distortion or weird artifacts periodically showing up. You have to play CLEAN and make sure each preset is adjusted for bass (options for 4 or 5 string and your number of frets) and not guitar.

The reason I'm here, though, is that I have the C4 on a small pedal board and I've downloaded about 30 other presets besides the 6 the pedal comes preloaded with and I want to be able to call them up with their names showing (very important) on whatever midi device via usb (also very important). And I want to do this with just one midi device without an additional hub or other hardware. I play in a park live through a completely battery powered setup (rechargeable JBL Partybox 100, Alesis SR-18, and rechargeable Mission Engineering 529i to power the pedalboard). I purchased a very small Matthews Effects "The Futurist" midi controller for what I thought would work for this purpose. Waiting to receive mini usb to micro usb adapters so I can hopefully plug the Futurist directly into the C4 to access the presets on the pedal. Does anyone else have a Futurist? Does this sound doable? Thanks!

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[Johno Dunn]

I've had the C4 for about 2 weeks. The online library of presets via the neuro editor is nothing short of fantastic but most need tweaking starting with the fact that since they are all created under different original circumstances (type of bass and plucking technique, for starters) there are wild differences in volume when auditioning them. Some of these are very loud when you first click on them so I turn my bass -- in passive mode since that seems to work best for me -- all the way down before I click on the next preset in the library then bring the volume up slowly. Even after the global input sensitivity setup of the pedal to match your playing, you may still have to make adjustments in the screen display for input and output levels for each preset to get the best sounds without distortion or weird artifacts periodically showing up. You have to play CLEAN and make sure each preset is adjusted for bass (options for 4 or 5 string and your number of frets) and not guitar.

The reason I'm here, though, is that I have the C4 on a small pedal board and I've downloaded about 30 other presets besides the 6 the pedal comes preloaded with and I want to be able to call them up with their names showing (very important) on whatever midi device via usb (also very important). And I want to do this with just one midi device without an additional hub or other hardware. I play in a park live through a completely battery powered setup (rechargeable JBL Partybox 100, Alesis SR-18, and rechargeable Mission Engineering 529i to power the pedalboard). I purchased a very small Matthews Effects "The Futurist" midi controller for what I thought would work for this purpose. Waiting to receive mini usb to micro usb adapters so I can hopefully plug the Futurist directly into the C4 to access the presets on the pedal. Does anyone else have a Futurist? Does this sound doable? Thanks!

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That Looks like it should work. I use the DMC Micro Pro, and it works great. Even smaller than the Futurist, and cheaper.

 

[Oddmetersam]

That Looks like it should work. I use the DMC Micro Pro, and it works great. Even smaller than the Futurist, and cheaper.

Yeah, that's on my Plan B list if the Futurist is a no-go. I want the display to show both the preset number and a name. Not sure the DMC Micro Pro can show that many characters on the display.

 

[Gibs210]

I've had the C4 for about 2 weeks. The online library of presets via the neuro editor is nothing short of fantastic but most need tweaking starting with the fact that since they are all created under different original circumstances (type of bass and plucking technique, for starters) there are wild differences in volume when auditioning them. Some of these are very loud when you first click on them so I turn my bass -- in passive mode since that seems to work best for me -- all the way down before I click on the next preset in the library then bring the volume up slowly. Even after the global input sensitivity setup of the pedal to match your playing, you may still have to make adjustments in the screen display for input and output levels for each preset to get the best sounds without distortion or weird artifacts periodically showing up. You have to play CLEAN and make sure each preset is adjusted for bass (options for 4 or 5 string and your number of frets) and not guitar.

The reason I'm here, though, is that I have the C4 on a small pedal board and I've downloaded about 30 other presets besides the 6 the pedal comes preloaded with and I want to be able to call them up with their names showing (very important) on whatever midi device via usb (also very important). And I want to do this with just one midi device without an additional hub or other hardware. I play in a park live through a completely battery powered setup (rechargeable JBL Partybox 100, Alesis SR-18, and rechargeable Mission Engineering 529i to power the pedalboard). I purchased a very small Matthews Effects "The Futurist" midi controller for what I thought would work for this purpose. Waiting to receive mini usb to micro usb adapters so I can hopefully plug the Futurist directly into the C4 to access the presets on the pedal. Does anyone else have a Futurist? Does this sound doable? Thanks!

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Doesn’t look like it’ll work, Matthew’s info on the usb jack seems to pertain only to working with software midi on a pc and for use with the desktop editor. only disaster area and xsonic airstep can host the C4 over usb without some other device. It’s amazing that more midi controller builders haven’t bothered with this capability at this point, you think with the growing acceptance of trs midi that usb midi would also be more popular as a compact solution over 5 pin.

 

[sunbeast]

I've had the C4 for about 2 weeks. The online library of presets via the neuro editor is nothing short of fantastic but most need tweaking starting with the fact that since they are all created under different original circumstances (type of bass and plucking technique, for starters) there are wild differences in volume when auditioning them. Some of these are very loud when you first click on them so I turn my bass -- in passive mode since that seems to work best for me -- all the way down before I click on the next preset in the library then bring the volume up slowly. Even after the global input sensitivity setup of the pedal to match your playing, you may still have to make adjustments in the screen display for input and output levels for each preset to get the best sounds without distortion or weird artifacts periodically showing up. You have to play CLEAN and make sure each preset is adjusted for bass (options for 4 or 5 string and your number of frets) and not guitar.

The reason I'm here, though, is that I have the C4 on a small pedal board and I've downloaded about 30 other presets besides the 6 the pedal comes preloaded with and I want to be able to call them up with their names showing (very important) on whatever midi device via usb (also very important). And I want to do this with just one midi device without an additional hub or other hardware. I play in a park live through a completely battery powered setup (rechargeable JBL Partybox 100, Alesis SR-18, and rechargeable Mission Engineering 529i to power the pedalboard). I purchased a very small Matthews Effects "The Futurist" midi controller for what I thought would work for this purpose. Waiting to receive mini usb to micro usb adapters so I can hopefully plug the Futurist directly into the C4 to access the presets on the pedal. Does anyone else have a Futurist? Does this sound doable? Thanks!

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In any case you will need to create new named presets within the controller itself as the MIDI connection will not send names to the controller. Lack of characters is an issue on most of the available options I know of. The Morningstar controllers are the best I’ve tried for utility/ease of programming and labeling , but don’t do the USB MIDI Host required for the C4 without a Hub…

 

[Oddmetersam]

In any case you will need to create new named presets within the controller itself as the MIDI connection will not send names to the controller. Lack of characters is an issue on most of the available options I know of. The Morningstar controllers are the best I’ve tried for utility/ease of programming and labeling , but don’t do the USB MIDI Host required for the C4 without a Hub…

Sure. I didn't really expect the exact wording to transfer over midi. I just wanted enough slots for me to be able to show more than a patch number when I'm trying to remember what's going on in the heat of battle on stage. Decades ago I had a Quadraverb Plus and a foot controller and program changes and naming conventions worked flawlessly. I assumed 25-30 years later it would be a total piece of cake.

 

[Johno Dunn]

Sure. I didn't really expect the exact wording to transfer over midi. I just wanted enough slots for me to be able to show more than a patch number when I'm trying to remember what's going on in the heat of battle on stage. Decades ago I had a Quadraverb Plus and a foot controller and program changes and naming conventions worked flawlessly. I assumed 25-30 years later it would be a total piece of cake.

The DMC Micro Pro has up to eight characters and preset number. You have to name them in the DMC editor, but it takes seconds.

 

[MascisMan]

Hey guys, wanted to give a shout out to the SA crew. If you saw a previous post of mine my footswitch stopped working. I contacted the SA crew and in no time my pedal was off to them in the mail. They replaced my footswitch and had my C4 back to me very quickly. Excellent service!

 

[rsmith601]

Hey guys, wanted to give a shout out to the SA crew. If you saw a previous post of mine my footswitch stopped working. I contacted the SA crew and in no time my pedal was off to them in the mail. They replaced my footswitch and had my C4 back to me very quickly. Excellent service!

Awesome!! Makes me happy!

 

[rsmith601]

Some of you might be wondering about the pitch tracking on the C4 relative to the polyphonic approach that is on some other pedals.

The C4 always makes the assumption that it is seeking the fundamental note and not worrying about more than that. As such, we can find the fundamental fast and without noise or buzzing. The challenge with a polyphonic approach is the need to decide what is the fundamental string amidst waveforms that might be a harmonic, or another string or its harmonics. When we studied this approach we noted that the pitch detector could not initially decide if something was a string or a harmonic from another string. It gets there eventually, but not without some noisy artifacts. This is particularly noticeable on square waves. Is can easily be seen on an oscilloscope. My point in all this is to say that if you want clean waveforms from your synth oscillators for single notes, monophonic has a noticeable inherent advantage. One day processing power might make this a non-issue, but we are not quite there yet.

 

[GMC]

Some of you might be wondering about the pitch tracking on the C4 relative to the polyphonic approach that is on some other pedals.

The C4 always makes the assumption that it is seeking the fundamental note and not worrying about more than that. As such, we can find the fundamental fast and without noise or buzzing. The challenge with a polyphonic approach is the need to decide what is the fundamental string amidst waveforms that might be a harmonic, or another string or its harmonics. When we studied this approach we noted that the pitch detector could not initially decide if something was a string or a harmonic from another string. It gets there eventually, but not without some noisy artifacts. This is particularly noticeable on square waves. Is can easily be seen on an oscilloscope. My point in all this is to say that if you want clean waveforms from your synth oscillators for single notes, monophonic has a noticeable inherent advantage. One day processing power might make this a non-issue, but we are not quite there yet.

I have to say Roger, that I find the tracking on bass with the C4 incredibly good. It's rare for me to find glitching. I think it's fair to say that the analogue sounding octaver found on the C4 and Spectrum is particularly excellent. It's quite possibly the best tracking OC-2 clone there is. I have patches that track cleanly to a long sustained, held low B...no issues at all. You certainly can't get THAT with an analogue circuit. I think you guys made a good call with the monophonic tracking. Most famous synth bass lines are all monophonic, as were the analogue synths that created them in the first place.

I was looking at the new Boss SY200 pedal that's just been announced, I don't think the C4 has anything to worry about. It looks a lot to me like an expanded SY1. It seems to have a bunch of synth pre-sets that the user tweaks a bit...but not much. Unlike the C4 or Future Impact where you assemble a patch from nothing using the base components like filters, distortion and oscillators, ie how a real synth is programmed. While the SY200 will appeal to non synth tech heads (dare I say it...guitarists) who want an easy route to adding a synth to their board...it's not REALLY a synth pedal.

 

[rsmith601]

I have to say Roger, that I find the tracking on bass with the C4 incredibly good. It's rare for me to find glitching. I think it's fair to say that the analogue sounding octaver found on the C4 and Spectrum is particularly excellent. It's quite possibly the best tracking OC-2 clone there is. I have patches that track cleanly to a long sustained, held low B...no issues at all. You certainly can't get THAT with an analogue circuit. I think you guys made a good call with the monophonic tracking. Most famous synth bass lines are all monophonic, as were the analogue synths that created them in the first place.

I was looking at the new Boss SY200 pedal that's just been announced, I don't think the C4 has anything to worry about. It looks a lot to me like an expanded SY1. It seems to have a bunch of synth pre-sets that the user tweaks a bit...but not much. Unlike the C4 or Future Impact where you assemble a patch from nothing using the base components like filters, distortion and oscillators, ie how a real synth is programmed. While the SY200 will appeal to non synth tech heads (dare I say it...guitarists) who want an easy route to adding a synth to their board...it's not REALLY a synth pedal.

You summed it all up with perfection!

 

[equill]

Some of you might be wondering about the pitch tracking on the C4 relative to the polyphonic approach that is on some other pedals.

The C4 always makes the assumption that it is seeking the fundamental note and not worrying about more than that. As such, we can find the fundamental fast and without noise or buzzing. The challenge with a polyphonic approach is the need to decide what is the fundamental string amidst waveforms that might be a harmonic, or another string or its harmonics. When we studied this approach we noted that the pitch detector could not initially decide if something was a string or a harmonic from another string. It gets there eventually, but not without some noisy artifacts. This is particularly noticeable on square waves. Is can easily be seen on an oscilloscope. My point in all this is to say that if you want clean waveforms from your synth oscillators for single notes, monophonic has a noticeable inherent advantage. One day processing power might make this a non-issue, but we are not quite there yet.

Ah, this is the explanation of "why" I've been hoping for. I'd gotten the "polyphony is hard" part, but now I understand what makes it so hard.

Of course, this just makes me even more keen on the idea of a multicore C4 that connects to a Roland GK-3 (or 3b) divided pickup, but I imagine you've already gone over the business case for that

 

[Gsnorgathon]

Just buy multiple C4s, get a splitter for your divided pickup, and away you go. Easy-peasy. (Don't think I haven't thought about it.)

 

[Modulus 96]

I have to say Roger, that I find the tracking on bass with the C4 incredibly good. It's rare for me to find glitching. I think it's fair to say that the analogue sounding octaver found on the C4 and Spectrum is particularly excellent. It's quite possibly the best tracking OC-2 clone there is. I have patches that track cleanly to a long sustained, held low B...no issues at all. You certainly can't get THAT with an analogue circuit. I think you guys made a good call with the monophonic tracking. Most famous synth bass lines are all monophonic, as were the analogue synths that created them in the first place.

I was looking at the new Boss SY200 pedal that's just been announced, I don't think the C4 has anything to worry about. It looks a lot to me like an expanded SY1. It seems to have a bunch of synth pre-sets that the user tweaks a bit...but not much. Unlike the C4 or Future Impact where you assemble a patch from nothing using the base components like filters, distortion and oscillators, ie how a real synth is programmed. While the SY200 will appeal to non synth tech heads (dare I say it...guitarists) who want an easy route to adding a synth to their board...it's not REALLY a synth pedal.

I don't really thing it matters what a "real" synth pedal is supposed to be. The boss gets you there faster without the steep learning curve.

The SY200 is what I wanted out of the SY1 - programability & presets. The C4 is just too much tinkering looking for sounds, so much so that the majority of people rely on the community but many times the community offerings aren't close enough. Demos of cool sounds are all fine and good but those unique sounds are not applicable to anything.

I don't understand why the C4 out of the box doesn't have "the basics" that can be used across a lot of music instantly. The SY1 has that. Now the SY200 has what was missing. Even now the SY1 has a simple method of sustaining notes. I am finding less and less reasons to keep the C4.