source audio c4

[Johno Dunn]

Cost: (new)
C4: 239.99
DMC-Micro: 129.99
Cable from C4-DMC:9.99
Taxes and Shipping? 30
Total 240+130+20+30=420.

Thats for all the flexibility of a EuroRqck without the million wires and all in one package. Easy to edit, upload and even as mentioned the community support is second to none.


As for the real estate……

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That is smaller than a typical Dunlop Wah about 1 1/3 Boss Pedals in Length with the width of 1 Boss.

WIN

WIN

WIN

/drop the mic

@rsmith601 thank you l, Jesse, Source Audio and the community for an amazing product. This is all in my words.

Real Estate!

 

[GMC]

Yes, I was actually addressing this point when we got sidetracked. We agree that the current One Series hardware interface has outgrown what Neuro has become. I was noting that creating an updated hardware design to address the shortcomings is relatively easy compared to what has already been created by us and the community. Jesse and I have actually been working on this for the last year already.
With that said, the new hardware will not be as small and it will not be at the same price point. I think there will be a place for both. Small and simple vs a bit larger and more on-board stuff.

What...you mean it'll have a screen? You pulling my chain?

 

[bassbrad]

You guys are talking past each other.

“It’s hard to use.”
“But it’s got a lot of stuff.”
“But I can’t find anything.”
“But it has everything.”

Both true, but neither one really addresses the other.

You are correct however I tried to address this issue by saying that @Modulus 96 is at fault for having unreasonable expectations from the C4 and blaming the product. The Boss SY 200 & SY1 are not true synthesizers even though they do make some synthesizer sounds. To use a vehicular analogy a Chevy Corvette and a Chevy Silverado Truck. What @Modulus 96 is doing is bashing the Corvette as being a terrible product because he can't haul hay bales in it. Or slashing the Silverado because it rides too tall.

 

[Max Bogosity]

You are correct however I tried to address this issue by saying that @Modulus 96 is at fault for having unreasonable expectations from the C4 and blaming the product. The Boss SY 200 & SY1 are not true synthesizers even though they do make some synthesizer sounds. To use a vehicular analogy a Chevy Corvette and a Chevy Silverado Truck. What @Modulus 96 is doing is bashing the Corvette as being a terrible product because he can't haul hay bales in it. Or slashing the Silverado because it rides too tall.

That’s a pretty good analogy. I read him as just saying he realized he the Silverado would what he needs better than a Corvette, so he bought a Silverado and isn’t going to drive the Corvette anymore.

I’m kind of there myself, having figured out the hard way that I don’t really need a synthesizer, just something that makes vaguely synthy sounds without the learning curve.

 

[Gibs210]

I play on a worship team and we usually have a song every month or so that needs a basic analog bass synth (think Moog Phatty). I had previously been using a Roland GR-55, which I got to avoid having to learn synths and keyboards. I was only using a synth bass patch so I got a C4 to downsize what I had to carry around (I can now fit everything I need in my bass case). I was quickly overwhelmed with all the options and was not able to find a preset from the community that sounded right to me. I tried a few but was unable to get anything usable by blindly fiddling with options. I also found I could not edit existing patches using mobile app, it could only create new ones and burn them. This could have been user error on my part, but it made it impossible to make modifications at the gig.

So over my last vacation, I read a book on subtractive synths. That opened the pedal up to me. I was able to quickly put together an excellent patch that was close to an analog bass synth and the sound guys loved it.

After reading that book, I did end up buying a Novation Bass Station so I could make more adjustments on the fly, but I'm not going to get rid of the C4 because of all the other options I can use with my bass.

So in my experience, this may not be the pedal for you if you're just looking for a synth pedal with some pre-built synth patches. But if you understand synths, this is an amazing pedal.

I would be curious if the mobile app can actually edit existing patches. That would be an extremely useful tool to adjust a patch live (beyond what can be assigned to the option dials).

Currently no, you can’t edit presets on the pedal itself. The app is only one way communication. We are working on a 2 way method over usb, but it isn’t quite ready yet.

 

[Modulus 96]

I don't feel like I'm disgruntled... Maybe it's just my perspective coming across in that way. 1000 presets to my perspective, having trolled through and listened to them all, doesn't really mean anything and I could list why but that gets us back to my use case.

1000 presets is an example of people using the product in some way. I do get that. It's value to other people might be as sources of inspiration or as foundations for something else.

2 bands, kids, day job, etc... I guess I'm not the ideal user as time for me is quite constrained. Thus my perspective is more "dial it in" than "build from scratch".

 

[Derek Williams]

Yes, I was actually addressing this point when we got sidetracked. We agree that the current One Series hardware interface has outgrown what Neuro has become. I was noting that creating an updated hardware design to address the shortcomings is relatively easy compared to what has already been created by us and the community. Jesse and I have actually been working on this for the last year already.
With that said, the new hardware will not be as small and it will not be at the same price point. I think there will be a place for both. Small and simple vs a bit larger and more on-board stuff.

I know it’s probably not something planned any time soon, but I’m hoping some day you guys do a full multi effects unit with all your effects built in. Something like the Quad Cortex but all Source Audio would be amazing.

 

[equill]

I don't feel like I'm disgruntled... Maybe it's just my perspective coming across in that way. 1000 presets to my perspective, having trolled through and listened to them all, doesn't really mean anything and I could list why but that gets us back to my use case.

1000 presets is an example of people using the product in some way. I do get that. It's value to other people might be as sources of inspiration or as foundations for something else.

2 bands, kids, day job, etc... I guess I'm not the ideal user as time for me is quite constrained. Thus my perspective is more "dial it in" than "build from scratch".

I see where you're coming from, but I think what ruffled so many feathers was that you described it as a fault or a failing in the C4, which isn't really fair.

As I see it, your issue is that you're in Boss' market sector, so the C4 is the wrong choice for you. It's a bad fit, not a bad product, and it sounds like you're frustrated with learning that the hard (and expensive) way.

 

[LowWay]

I know it’s probably not something planned any time soon, but I’m hoping some day you guys do a full multi effects unit with all your effects built in. Something like the Quad Cortex but all Source Audio would be amazing.

I would buy a powerful multi effects unit from SA should one ever come out.

 

[El Spearo]

I would buy a powerful multi effects unit from SA should one ever come out.

Count me in!!

 

[rsmith601]

I don't feel like I'm disgruntled... Maybe it's just my perspective coming across in that way. 1000 presets to my perspective, having trolled through and listened to them all, doesn't really mean anything and I could list why but that gets us back to my use case.

1000 presets is an example of people using the product in some way. I do get that. It's value to other people might be as sources of inspiration or as foundations for something else.

2 bands, kids, day job, etc... I guess I'm not the ideal user as time for me is quite constrained. Thus my perspective is more "dial it in" than "build from scratch".

I think your points are valid and important. You are not alone and we have considered this as part of our future hardware roadmap. Thank you!

 

[Max Bogosity]

I would buy a powerful multi effects unit from SA should one ever come out.

The C4 already has all the effects I would ever need. I’d pay good money for just a hardware interface for dummies with dedicated knobs and switches for the octave, envelope, and distortion sections.

 

[Robot.G]

The Boss SY 200 is vaporware at this point and in no way comparable to the C4.

 

[LowWay]

The C4 already has all the effects I would ever need. I’d pay good money for just a hardware interface for dummies with dedicated knobs and switches for the octave, envelope, and distortion sections.

For guitar I’d like a C4, UltraWave, Distortion, EQ2, tremolo, chorus/phaser/flanger, delay, reverb all in one unit, with envelope phasing added to the C4 portion. I’d need less for bass, so that would work for both instruments for me.

 

[Derek Williams]

The Boss SY 200 is vaporware at this point and in no way comparable to the C4.

I’m pretty sure the SY 200 will be released quite shortly, not vaporware.

 

[Christophe C]

Count me in!!

For me, the Source audio Multi effects already exists: Soleman + NeuroHub + add the different SA pedals you need
Dead easy to dial a sound and save it. Easy to rename and recall.
+ the benefit to have simple pedals usable in "panic" mode

 

[Derek Williams]

For me, the Source audio Multi effects already exists: Soleman + NeuroHub + add the different SA pedals you need
Dead easy to dial a sound and save it. Easy to rename and recall.
+ the benefit to have simple pedals usable in "panic" mode

I think a cool middle ground would be digital IO with each pedal, and then a central controller. Then you get the flexible routing and single A/D conversion of a multifx, while still allowing you to build your setup from individual pedals.

 

[Adamixoye]

The Boss SY 200 is vaporware at this point and in no way comparable to the C4.

I’m pretty sure the SY 200 will be released quite shortly, not vaporware.

Agree with Derek, don't understand the comment by Robot. When Boss announces something like this, 97% of the time it means "shipping to Guitar Center next week." Completely different scale and business model than where the smaller builders who hang around TB are at.

 

[Adamixoye]

I think a cool middle ground would be digital IO with each pedal, and then a central controller. Then you get the flexible routing and single A/D conversion of a multifx, while still allowing you to build your setup from individual pedals.

Ehh...I am pretty down on needing anything like a Hub at this point, which is specific to one brand. Much prefer pedals that stand on their own and can be controlled by any 3rd party MIDI controller (directly).

 

[GMC]

I would buy a powerful multi effects unit from SA should one ever come out.

Can you imagine how much ground and integrated Ultrawave and C4 would cover?