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Hi all

I really need some help on this thing. This is my first foray into a pedal like this and while I'm having a blast and tons of success with the neuro editor at home, I can't translate it to my live rig that lives at my rehearsal space

Basically almost every preset is far, far too loud when and has an almost popping effect when I'm at rehearsal. Especially with low notes. It's totally unusable until I figure this out.

I downloaded an upright preset and it sounds phenomenal at home but at rehearsal if I use any attack it sounds like it's about to blow my Amp out. If I turn the input or volume down enough to make it stop, then the effect becomes inaudible

I know this is surely user error, I just need some guidance.

Thank you
 
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Hi @Enden, maybe first check the input gain (there's a page in the manual on how to set this, you twiddle the input knob until the centre light flashes red). What sounds more likely to be the problem in your scenario is the output volume, which you can adjust either on the pedal (I think it's one of the alternate controls where you press the button on the back first to access it).

You can do both in Neuro Editor anyway.

Hope that's it, unless there's something in your rehearsal set up that's clipping further down the line.

A
 
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foldyman said:
Hi @Enden, maybe first check the input gain (there's a page in the manual on how to set this, you twiddle the input knob until the centre light flashes red). What sounds more likely to be the problem in your scenario is the output volume, which you can adjust either on the pedal (I think it's one of the alternate controls where you press the button on the back first to access it).

You can do both in Neuro Editor anyway.

Hope that's it, unless there's something in your rehearsal set up that's clipping further down the line.

A
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I'll check this out too, I wish there was some kind of "unity gain" for the output.
 
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Enden said:
Hi all

I really need some help on this thing. This is my first foray into a pedal like this and while I'm having a blast and tons of success with the neuro editor at home, I can't translate it to my live rig that lives at my rehearsal space

Basically almost every preset is far, far too loud when and has an almost popping effect when I'm at rehearsal. Especially with low notes. It's totally unusable until I figure this out.

I downloaded an upright preset and it sounds phenomenal at home but at rehearsal if I use any attack it sounds like it's about to blow my Amp out. If I turn the input or volume down enough to make it stop, then the effect becomes inaudible

I know this is surely user error, I just need some guidance.

Thank you
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Hi Enden,

As mentioned by lizardking, this is an output issue. You want to keep your input level intact but change the output level so it's not too loud in the different setup of your rehearsal room while keeping that same attack qualities as you have at home setup.

You can either bring your laptop and do it via Neuro hub but you can also press alternate button on the back of the C4 and then adjust mix knob (the alternate function of the mix knob is adjusting output level). Of course this will only work when still using that preset and resets back to previous setting once you change presets again. However if you do wish to set it up for your rehearsal room needs and have it saved, you can do that too. In the neuro hub in the left panel, go to pedal settings and set it so it saves preset changes with 5 second press of the switch button. Then in your rehearsal just adjust the output level as explained above and once you are happy with it, press the switch button for 5 seconds. Saved and done.
 
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In3d1ble said:
Hi Enden,

As mentioned by lizardking, this is an output issue. You want to keep your input level intact but change the output level so it's not too loud in the different setup of your rehearsal room while keeping that same attack qualities as you have at home setup.

You can either bring your laptop and do it via Neuro hub but you can also press alternate button on the back of the C4 and then adjust mix knob (the alternate function of the mix knob is adjusting output level). Of course this will only work when still using that preset and resets back to previous setting once you change presets again. However if you do wish to set it up for your rehearsal room needs and have it saved, you can do that too. In the neuro hub in the left panel, go to pedal settings and set it so it saves preset changes with 5 second press of the switch button. Then in your rehearsal just adjust the output level as explained above and once you are happy with it, press the switch button for 5 seconds. Saved and done.
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If you set the C4 into preset mode (I think), then you can save volume adjustments directly on the pedal by holding down the footswitch for a few seconds to overwrite the preset.
 
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Don't forget to check your rehearsal setup too. Whatever bits and pieces your going into after your C4 could have their gain(s) set too high.

I'd suggest check your input level on the C4 first is good as per the manual (red flashing led), set your C4 output volume to say 75%, then work on your studio setup part (and, if needs be, also your home setup).

A typical aim would be to have your average level going through your system out of the C4 and onward at around +4dBu (assuming your using studio gear and not something more consumer level).

If the device you're going into in your rehearsal or home setups have level meters, that should generally be bouncing around the level mentioned as you play normally. You could then go through and check other devices further down the chain.

As much as there's not really any wrong or right, it may be that it's your home setup that's "wrong" with input gain set too low and C4 output level too high.

Were you to just focus on the C4 output alone without checking your gains in both scenarios, you might solve the problem but at the cost of introducing a less than ideal signal to noise ratio.

I hope that helps.
A
 
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My new C4 just arrived, I'm probably going to read this entire thread tonight :) I already have it hooked up and it sounds amazing straight away.
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rsmith601 said:
Welcome!!! :)
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Thanks! I'm reading my way through all of this right now. I have the C4 on Boss GT-Core FX loop, and a Kenton MIDI USB Host and Killamix Mini wired up. Sending PCs from Ableton Live to load presets song-by-song. Expression pedal on the way. This is a great device - good work!
 
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MascisMan said:
Has anyone tried or know of a good preset to emulate the EHX Bass Micro Synth tone here:



and here:

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Take a look at the relative levels of the voices on the sliders and match those as a starting point (dry, octave down, octave up and at-pitch fuzz). Then use a 2-pole low pass filter - from the slider positions, it looks like the start and stop frequencies are the same so basically apply zero envelope depth and move the cutoff frequency to match.
 
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Quatschmacher said:
Take a look at the relative levels of the voices on the sliders and match those as a starting point (dry, octave down, octave up and at-pitch fuzz). Then use a 2-pole low pass filter - from the slider positions, it looks like the start and stop frequencies are the same so basically apply zero envelope depth and move the cutoff frequency to match.
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Thanks for the tips, I'll give them a try
 

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