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I’m running my phone into input 2.

Now that you mentioned it. I tried the calibration and no lights came on like it was supposed to. Any ideas on the issue there?
I ran into an issue where I had "Reduce Loud Sounds" turned on for my iPhone. It wouldn't play loud enough for the C4 to pick it up. It may be called something else on a different iOS version (or maybe on Android).
 
I’m running my phone into input 2.

Now that you mentioned it. I tried the calibration and no lights came on like it was supposed to. Any ideas on the issue there?
Stuff like this is why we added the USB option for mobile support. If your C4 is on version 1.20 or higher it will work with a USB cable connected to its mini USB port. There is no calibration necessary for the USB connection, just a passive adaptor (USB-USBC) needed. The USB connection is also two-way, meaning the app can read back settings from the C4, something the TRS connection isn't capable of.
 
What are the current rumours of a new C4 "max"? I'm thinking of rebuying it and don't want to get burned if a larger one comes out soon. I'm not in a rush, I've got an enzo which technically covers the sounds I need but I'm constantly annoyed at the lack of control over the envelopes

I originally sold the C4 because I was frustrated about not being able to easily tweak during jams with my band but reading this thread I might be able to make it work now using my DMC micro into the control input and my ipad into the usb.
 
What are the current rumours of a new C4 "max"? I'm thinking of rebuying it and don't want to get burned if a larger one comes out soon. I'm not in a rush, I've got an enzo which technically covers the sounds I need but I'm constantly annoyed at the lack of control over the envelopes

I originally sold the C4 because I was frustrated about not being able to easily tweak during jams with my band but reading this thread I might be able to make it work now using my DMC micro into the control input and my ipad into the usb.
We will do an update to the C4 someday, but there is nothing coming anytime soon.
 
Noob question - I'm having trouble understanding the input calibration process. Is it normal to have to recalibrate per patch or this supposed to be a one time deal depending on what instrument your using as an input? When calibrating sometimes my jazz bass seems really hot and at other times, really weak, judging by the red light indicator in the calibration process. For example, a lot of the envelope filter patches don't sound like I would have expected. I did read the manual, but am still confused about this.
 
Noob question - I'm having trouble understanding the input calibration process. Is it normal to have to recalibrate per patch or this supposed to be a one time deal depending on what instrument your using as an input? When calibrating sometimes my jazz bass seems really hot and at other times, really weak, judging by the red light indicator in the calibration process. For example, a lot of the envelope filter patches don't sound like I would have expected. I did read the manual, but am still confused about this.
Yes. Input calibration is a per-patch setting.
 
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Wait what? Do you mean you calibrate, then set each patch's input gain to that calibration point? Or literally re-do calibration for each patch? Trying to wrap my head around why the latter would be case, does the pitch detector sensitivity change based on voice selected?
Input gain is saved per patch, so any preset you get might need to be adjusted to your bass.
 
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Wait what? Do you mean you calibrate, then set each patch's input gain to that calibration point? Or literally re-do calibration for each patch? Trying to wrap my head around why the latter would be case, does the pitch detector sensitivity change based on voice selected?
They just mean that input gain is like every other knob / parameter in that it will need to be set per preset to your liking like any control onboard or off board. Reason for this is a.) so you're not stuck with one setting and can't use different instruments for different presets, and b.) note that there are 12 different envelopes to choose from and two discrete envelope processors, each of the 12 envelopes will probably react differently to your input.
 
Honestly a c4 in the same chassis as the collider would be sick. Wouldn’t have to redo the entire pedal from the ground up. Just give us top jacks and a second foot switch to cycle through presets.
Not so simple unfortunately. The large format pedals use dsp that is built for working with delays and reverbs, and has much different specs than what’s in the small format pedals. In other words. Yes, we would need to start from scratch. It wouldn’t be as easy as porting the small format dsp code to the large format dsp code. Not cheap, not easy.
 
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Not so simple unfortunately. The large format pedals use dsp that is built for working with delays and reverbs, and has much different specs than what’s in the small format pedals. In other words. Yes, we would need to start from scratch. It wouldn’t be as easy as porting the small format dsp code to the large format dsp code. Not cheap, not easy.
That’s a bummer. Would be pretty sweet
 
Honestly a c4 in the same chassis as the collider would be sick. Wouldn’t have to redo the entire pedal from the ground up. Just give us top jacks and a second foot switch to cycle through presets.
The C4 isn't particularly suitable for the larger chassis. The larger chassis is great for modeller type of effects like the Nemesis. The big central 15 way encoder knob controls the different model engines, not the patch selection. So a pedal like a C4 isn't well suited to that UI because it doesn't have any modelled engines. To control each of it's 4 oscillators and other deeper functions, it would need a completely different chassis.
What i do with my C4 and Ultrawave is I expand it's knobs by using a FaderFox PC-4. I basically get an array of 24 knobs that I can assign directly via Midi CC to any function that the C4 or Ultrawave offers via midi CC. The resolution of the Faderfox PC-4 is fine for most uses.
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The C4 isn't particularly suitable for the larger chassis. The larger chassis is great for modeller type of effects like the Nemesis. The big central 15 way encoder knob controls the different model engines, not the patch selection. So a pedal like a C4 isn't well suited to that UI because it doesn't have any modelled engines. To control each of it's 4 oscillators and other deeper functions, it would need a completely different chassis.
What i do with my C4 and Ultrawave is I expand it's knobs by using a FaderFox PC-4. I basically get an array of 24 knobs that I can assign directly via Midi CC to any function that the C4 or Ultrawave offers via midi CC. The resolution of the Faderfox PC-4 is fine for most uses.
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What a great idea!
 
What a great idea!
It needs a USB power feed and uses 2.5mm TRS Midi (Midi Type B adapter, which are the more expensive and rare type). It's not so good and controlling things that only a few parameters (like shape on the modulators), but for the usual large range controls it works really well. The EC-4 is a better device with it's LED screen, but way less knobs.
 
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It needs a USB power feed and uses 2.5mm TRS Midi (Midi Type B adapter, which are the more expensive and rare type). It's not so good and controlling things that only a few parameters (like shape on the modulators), but for the usual large range controls it works really well. The EC-4 is a better device with it's LED screen, but way less knobs.
so what are you using to connect the TRS midi and USB?