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#3,221
sunbeast said:
The same Envelopes in the C4 can control two different things, which are the filter and the amplitude. There are only two envelopes, but they are performing multiple jobs in this case (or you can utilize both of them independently so one envelope is only controlling the amplitude of the voices and the other is controlling the filter if you only assign each envelope to separate duties). On a typical analog synth you will have two envelopes with seperate controls, one dedicated to the filter and one dedicated to the amplitude (often just called "Amp"). Its somewhat confusing with a bass triggering the synth because in many cases you are probably trying to use the envelope of your bass playing to control the amplitude of the synth, but you can instead get interesting sounds by using one of the internal C4 envelopes to subtly shape voices (you are somewhat limited here due to not having full ASDR controls for the envelope like you would on most synths) while just using the bass to trigger the voices/pitch.

The "Envelope" dropdown is selecting to use one of the two envelopes to control the amplitude of the voice (so for example you could have the voice swell up slowly in volume by choosing "Envelope 1" under the Voice's "Envelope" dropdown then choosing the "swell" envelope for the "Type" under that Envelope's parameter menu), while the filter envelope is selected under the Filter menu dropdowns and assigned to each voice by the Processor Pan knob (sending the voice to either Distortion/ Filter 1 and/or Distortion/ Filter 2) and the Destination menu (so choosing whether or not that voice gets sent to the distortion and/or filter of the processor you have panned to).

It can be pretty confusing until you wrap your head around the signal path and how it all ties together!
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Hey thanks so much for your full answer here! Really appreciated.

I hadnt thought of it before as the 2 envelopes doing multiple things, separately or together (although Id probably already read it somewhere?!)
And of course, the pluck on the string has its own /envelope' characteristics!

My attempts at my own presets are somewhat hit & miss, but this helps .
 
#3,223
Had to program a patch with fairly aggressive synth harmonies up high and a full, fat synth bass tone down low for a gig yesterday. The C4 can do either, but gets short on voices if you need to cover THAT much ground.

Enter: EHX Pitch Fork, which I've used as a backup octaver and for some other uses. Well, adding that polyphonic octave to a big, bright four-voice synth sound kicks it into "how tf does one instrument make all that sound??" territory.

Then, delay/reverbing it (mainly the high freqs), then putting that thru an envelope filter for extra texture.... I had me a good time last night!
 
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Real Soon said:
Had to program a patch with fairly aggressive synth harmonies up high and a full, fat synth bass tone down low for a gig yesterday. The C4 can do either, but gets short on voices if you need to cover THAT much ground.

Enter: EHX Pitch Fork, which I've used as a backup octaver and for some other uses. Well, adding that polyphonic octave to a big, bright four-voice synth sound kicks it into "how tf does one instrument make all that sound??" territory.

Then, delay/reverbing it (mainly the high freqs), then putting that thru an envelope filter for extra texture.... I had me a good time last night!
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Do tell, I have the same setup and am loving the expansion of the c4 via extra octaves. What c4 patches are you using?
 
#3,226
Just hooked up am expression pedal to the C4, lots of different options there. I can't seem to figure out how to do a manual wah, sort of mimicking a Cry Baby. I'd like to make a fuzz wah but can't find a setting to control the sweep. I can set it to the frequency but that really isn't the same. What am I missing?
 
#3,228
Real Soon said:
Had to program a patch with fairly aggressive synth harmonies up high and a full, fat synth bass tone down low for a gig yesterday. The C4 can do either, but gets short on voices if you need to cover THAT much ground.

Enter: EHX Pitch Fork, which I've used as a backup octaver and for some other uses. Well, adding that polyphonic octave to a big, bright four-voice synth sound kicks it into "how tf does one instrument make all that sound??" territory.

Then, delay/reverbing it (mainly the high freqs), then putting that thru an envelope filter for extra texture.... I had me a good time last night!
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Could you please upload a sound clip? Thanks!
 
#3,229
warptheory said:
Just hooked up am expression pedal to the C4, lots of different options there. I can't seem to figure out how to do a manual wah, sort of mimicking a Cry Baby. I'd like to make a fuzz wah but can't find a setting to control the sweep. I can set it to the frequency but that really isn't the same. What am I missing?
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If it's a low pass filter, then map which ever filter is being used (Filter 1 or 2)'s frequency to the expression pedal. Filter 1 frequency / Filter 2 Frequency. If that's not enough wah for you, map "extrenal modulation" to the expression pedal and that should do it for you.
 
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warptheory said:
Just hooked up am expression pedal to the C4, lots of different options there. I can't seem to figure out how to do a manual wah, sort of mimicking a Cry Baby. I'd like to make a fuzz wah but can't find a setting to control the sweep. I can set it to the frequency but that really isn't the same. What am I missing?
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turn on external expression, select external control from the options (should be at the bottom of the list), set your minimum and maximum.

ReeV0 said:
Is a twiddle of the C4 knobs supposed to

I'm not going through the hub; the C4 is connected to the PC directly via USB
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does the editor in turn make any adjustments to the pedal? Are you sure your not using the offline editor window?
 
#3,232
ReeV0 said:
Is a twiddle of the C4 knobs supposed to be mimicked in real time in the Neuro Desktop editor? I seem to remember it used to do this, but now for it doesn't for some reason?
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I recently had the exact same experience and thoughts. There was a new version of either the editor or the firmware (can't remember which, or whether the firmware was for the hub or the C4).
Either way, I installed whatever new stuff there was and C4 twiddles were represented again in the editor. I don't think that explains why it stopped working, but it does now. Dunno, but there you have it.
 
#3,233
foldyman said:
I recently had the exact same experience and thoughts. There was a new version of either the editor or the firmware (can't remember which, or whether the firmware was for the hub or the C4).
Either way, I installed whatever new stuff there was and C4 twiddles were represented again in the editor. I don't think that explains why it stopped working, but it does now. Dunno, but there you have it.
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Thanks, I'll see if there's a new version to download
 
#3,234
I'm a recent convert to SA pedals... just the C4 alone has bumped 4 pedals off the board (my OC-5, my EHX Q-Tron+, a gated fuzz, and a BOSS LS-2 I was using to blend them all together). Now it's small and slick (with just a Korg Pitchblack, a Compressore, the C4, and an EHX Hot Wax -- order tbd).

The learning curve can be kind of steep, but I had a great time just going through the community presets to see what makes them tick and what building blocks they use. And in no time, I was building my own presets. Tinkering is just so much fun. And I was amazed by the tracking. Down to low B, no problem.
 
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Nashrakh said:
I'm a recent convert to SA pedals... just the C4 alone has bumped 4 pedals off the board (my OC-5, my EHX Q-Tron+, a gated fuzz, and a BOSS LS-2 I was using to blend them all together). Now it's small and slick (with just a Korg Pitchblack, a Compressore, the C4, and an EHX Hot Wax -- order tbd).

The learning curve can be kind of steep, but I had a great time just going through the community presets to see what makes them tick and what building blocks they use. And in no time, I was building my own presets. Tinkering is just so much fun. And I was amazed by the tracking. Down to low B, no problem.
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Good for you. The C4 is a great fun way to learn about synth sounds. I'm similar, newish to SA but I'm gaining insights & experience all the time. Still get confused at times, as I don't always have a clear direction to what I want to achieve, but I've come to the conclusion not to over think things, just tweak & play....

What other SA pedals do you have?
 
#3,237
Cool.
I dont have a Collider, still use my TC Electronic Flashback II and HOF. They're OK, but Im watching the collider demos.

The only other SA pedals I have is the Ultrawave, which is pretty amazing, sometimes nuts!

I'd recommend getting the expression pedal - gives you great control over parameters/blending. Can use it with 2 pedals.

I'm a bit put off getting several SA pedals and then using MIDI control. The majority of posts seem to be about getting midi to work well. Think it would fry my brain!!
 
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#3,238
Nashrakh said:
An Aftershock for my Doom studio project, and I'm thinking about the Collider because I don't have a Reverb/Delay pedal (well maybe in a stinky Zoom G3) that I might use for chordal work.
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The Collider is an amazingly rich pdeal that is suprisingly easy and simple to ues / navigate. It's easy to forget which DSP one is tweeking, so keep an eye out for the toggle switch. However, it's a small gemlin when compared to how densly featured the Collider is and how tiny a foot print it is considering how much cool stuff is on there.

On the Verb side, the hall is superb. The Plate has a lot of versatility. The E-Dome is nice, but I prefer stretching out the Plate and pulling down the mix. Shimmer is great for that angellic angels in the background sound.

On the Delay side, the Analogue delay is gloriously dark and with tunable modulation. It's a REALLY good Moog emulation. Reverse is great for Ambient smears. All of the Delays are great, but the Analogue delay is worth the price of admission alone.

I've often though about flipping mine for a Ventris and Nemesis. Twice the space, Power, cabling etc...for a few more features and engines. More £££...however, there's no right / wrong choice between these...both options are amazing devices.
 
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Nashrakh said:
I'm a recent convert to SA pedals... just the C4 alone has bumped 4 pedals off the board (my OC-5, my EHX Q-Tron+, a gated fuzz, and a BOSS LS-2 I was using to blend them all together). Now it's small and slick (with just a Korg Pitchblack, a Compressore, the C4, and an EHX Hot Wax -- order tbd).

The learning curve can be kind of steep, but I had a great time just going through the community presets to see what makes them tick and what building blocks they use. And in no time, I was building my own presets. Tinkering is just so much fun. And I was amazed by the tracking. Down to low B, no problem.
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This makes me very happy. :) I have shared this with the entire team.
 
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Hi all, I was looking into buying a C4 and was wondering if I could replace the knobs with the small ones from fairfield circuitry (Knob, I have some around). On the knobs of the C4 I don't see a screw from the photos online so I'm not sure (I don't even know how I could take them off).
 

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