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[Quatschmacher]

For sequences I discovered it's best to have the Envelope OFF selected with a wave form. That is one reason I got the EHX SuperEgo+ to see if I can work that into giving me some longer sustain times once i really get the hang of it, but still nothing like a keyboard triggered synth as far as a true ADSR would respond. I also want to have the sequencer running or have a synth or orchestra pad while manipulating a filter down the signal path [my moded BassBalls is perfect for that better than the BmS]

That’s right, the two sequences I posted have (amp) envelope disabled. The problem still occurs with the filter envelope though in that it always closes. I think another good feature to add would be to have the option for the sequencer steps to retrigger the envelopes.

 

[OhulahanBass]

That’s right, the two sequences I posted have (amp) envelope disabled. The problem still occurs with the filter envelope though in that it always closes. I think another good feature to add would be to have the option for the sequencer steps to retrigger the envelopes.

Yes! Then you could use it to modulate just filter for really cool FXs too. I’ve said it before, a mod matrix where any source could modulate any destination would make this pedal incredible. Also, it would take the C4 one huge step closer to the modular in a box thing.

 

[BurningSkies]

Thanks for re-posting that. I am glad for the info. I am still a little confused on a couple of things:

1) Is the input gain procedure where you adjust until the light starts to blink red need to be readjusted for every preset if you change instruments or is there some auto-scaling once set. I guess what I am asking is if I calibrate on preset 1 and my master input gain is set to 12:00 but when I switch to a new preset the input gain is at 4:00. Does that mean I need to recalibrate for that preset?

2) When using an ADSR, not inverted, I can't seem to keep the envelope from decaying below the original cutoff and getting stuck until I briefly stop play. Is this normal, any clues on what I may be doing wrong?

I've been able to get some decent vintagey synth voices, some GREAT dirt into filter sounds and some awesome esoteric nasty sounds so far. The pedal is a lot of fun.

1) I've come to know the input gain setting that works best for me and when I load or save a new patch, I manually check and adjust it in Neuro to make sure it's correct. It's a work around, certainly but if you're grabbing any of the uploaded patches, they're all over the place depending on whoever's designed the patch's actual bass.

2) Yep. I've noticed this 'stuck' behavior too. I recently added a couple sine waves below a filter/envelope patch and was sort of perplexed when I literally stopped playing (fade out) and had the sines continue.

 

[Robertron]

1) Is the input gain procedure where you adjust until the light starts to blink red need to be readjusted for every preset if you change instruments or is there some auto-scaling once set. I guess what I am asking is if I calibrate on preset 1 and my master input gain is set to 12:00 but when I switch to a new preset the input gain is at 4:00. Does that mean I need to recalibrate for that preset?

Yeah you'll have to recalibrate each preset. Input Gain is not a global parameter so it will vary between presets according to what you set.

 

[Quatschmacher]

I’ve said it before, a mod matrix where any source could modulate any destination

Then keep your eyes peeled for the forthcoming Future Impact update as it adds exactly that feature.

 

[OhulahanBass]

Then keep your eyes peeled for the forthcoming Future Impact update as it adds exactly that feature.

Nice!

 

[bassbrad]

I have noticed the lack of response of @rsmith601 or the SA bunch to this on going discussion on the envelope issue, is it intentional or just under the radar?

 

[OhulahanBass]

I wouldn’t assume anything, they probably have allot more than responding to every damn TB and TGP thread to do. They are very active ones SASS thread.

 

[bassbrad]

I wouldn’t assume anything, they probably have allot more than responding to every damn TB and TGP thread to do. They are very active ones SASS thread.

It was just a shout out for attention, nothing nefarious trust me.

 

[rsmith601]

I have noticed the lack of response of @rsmith601 or the SA bunch to this on going discussion on the envelope issue, is it intentional or just under the radar?

Focused on the Hub/C4 integration. Feature expansion for C4 is being recorded by @Gibs210

 

[intrglctcrevfnk]

On a similar note to @Schopes - I'd love to have a better understanding of the different Filters available on the C4.

This is some info I pieced together when I had a manta- bout as good as it gets for now. The Spectrum user manual also dives into the waveform names a little bit. Would love to see a full write up on the envelopes and filters (and ADSR types) sometime too but I got some screen caps from the S.A.S.S. thread.

ADSR:

 

[kesslari]

@intrglctcrevfnk Thanks for that!

 

[Deepsouthshore]

Focused on the Hub/C4 integration. Feature expansion for C4 is being recorded by @Gibs210

Thanks Robert, I know this is music to lots of ears!! Any idea on timeline?

 

[bassbrad]

@intrglctcrevfnk and @Gibs210 and @rsmith601 a graphic representation of the envelopes like the filters shown in post #471 would be a huge help in understanding what the intended functions of the envelopes are over the numbers on a .... Hate being a squeaky wheel on this but apparently I am not the only user wishing for a better understanding of the intended functions on the C4 because I have not sussed them out by investigation and the information provided I personally do not find helpful but rather confounding.
When I mentioned a graphic representation of the Envelopes before I got some double talk about expense as if I had suggested you go to JPL or MIT for research program or some such. I would think that during the design process there were notes, perhaps even drawings of the envelopes to decide which 11 would make the final cut, hmm.

 

[rsmith601]

@intrglctcrevfnk and @Gibs210 and @rsmith601 a graphic representation of the envelopes like the filters shown in post #471 would be a huge help in understanding what the intended functions of the envelopes are over the numbers on a .... Hate being a squeaky wheel on this but apparently I am not the only user wishing for a better understanding of the intended functions on the C4 because I have not sussed them out by investigation and the information provided I personally do not find helpful but rather confounding.
When I mentioned a graphic representation of the Envelopes before I got some double talk about expense as if I had suggested you go to JPL or MIT for research program or some such. I would think that during the design process there were notes, perhaps even drawings of the envelopes to decide which 11 would make the final cut, hmm.

Have you looked at the Spectrum manual? Lots more details are there.

 

[rsmith601]

@intrglctcrevfnk and @Gibs210 and @rsmith601 a graphic representation of the envelopes like the filters shown in post #471 would be a huge help in understanding what the intended functions of the envelopes are over the numbers on a .... Hate being a squeaky wheel on this but apparently I am not the only user wishing for a better understanding of the intended functions on the C4 because I have not sussed them out by investigation and the information provided I personally do not find helpful but rather confounding.
When I mentioned a graphic representation of the Envelopes before I got some double talk about expense as if I had suggested you go to JPL or MIT for research program or some such. I would think that during the design process there were notes, perhaps even drawings of the envelopes to decide which 11 would make the final cut, hmm.

@intrglctcrevfnk and @Gibs210 and @rsmith601 a graphic representation of the envelopes like the filters shown in post #471 would be a huge help in understanding what the intended functions of the envelopes are over the numbers on a .... Hate being a squeaky wheel on this but apparently I am not the only user wishing for a better understanding of the intended functions on the C4 because I have not sussed them out by investigation and the information provided I personally do not find helpful but rather confounding.
When I mentioned a graphic representation of the Envelopes before I got some double talk about expense as if I had suggested you go to JPL or MIT for research program or some such. I would think that during the design process there were notes, perhaps even drawings of the envelopes to decide which 11 would make the final cut, hmm.

I took your request directly to Bob Chidlaw and asked him to write up a description of the envelopes. He took about 2 hours to do this. Around that time I asked Jesse for plots of the filter types. It took him about 2 hours. This is what I shared. If you can point me to a competitive product that has exactly what you are looking for, I can try to help further.

 

[rsmith601]

@intrglctcrevfnk and @Gibs210 and @rsmith601 a graphic representation of the envelopes like the filters shown in post #471 would be a huge help in understanding what the intended functions of the envelopes are over the numbers on a .... Hate being a squeaky wheel on this but apparently I am not the only user wishing for a better understanding of the intended functions on the C4 because I have not sussed them out by investigation and the information provided I personally do not find helpful but rather confounding.
When I mentioned a graphic representation of the Envelopes before I got some double talk about expense as if I had suggested you go to JPL or MIT for research program or some such. I would think that during the design process there were notes, perhaps even drawings of the envelopes to decide which 11 would make the final cut, hmm.

I just went over the SY300 manual and sound guide. There is nothing. Not even filter plots.

Edit. Just looked at Enzo and FI. There is nothing at all. What I have shared so far is a level of detail that has no match. Not sure what else I should do?

 

[Robertron]

I just went over the SY300 manual and sound guide. There is nothing. Not even filter plots.

Edit. Just looked at Enzo and FI. There is nothing at all. What I have shared so far is a level of detail that has no match. Not sure what else I should do?

Keep it up, that's what.

 

[bassbrad]

Keep it up, that's what.

Absolutely! Roger believe me when I tell you that I love your company, products, support and involvement and greatly appreciate your response. I take none of that for granted especially on a Saturday!! Enjoy your weekend.

 

[rsmith601]

Absolutely! Roger believe me when I tell you that I love your company, products, support and involvement and greatly appreciate your response. I take none of that for granted especially on a Saturday!! Enjoy your weekend.