source audio c4

[AlexanderB]

Thanks for the positive words @AlexanderB.

I agree with you 100% on the two FM samples. I like the sound, but it's a little too dirty for this particular song. As I was making the patch, I tried various FM settings with the Sine voices, but it always sounded too dirty even at lower settings. I think it goes back to @Phagor's point of where the FM happens in the signal chain.

I also think you're right about a little something extra with the note attack in the original and I tried getting it, but adding more depth and/or Q to the envelope didn't sound right on the C4. I even tried inverting the envelope for a downward attack, but that sounded even less right. None of the ADSR envelopes sounded quite right either, and they also introduced some triggering issues, so I find myself wondering if actual ADSR controls might help more here.

This patch has been frustrating me for a while, but I'm fairly happy with where I've ended up. I wonder if I'm missing something in the C4, so I'll probably tinker with it a bit more before I upload it to the Community.

5sg.

Well, it sure seems to be a lot to discover in that pedal. GAS is building up here, no doubt!

By the way, today I listened to the soundtrack CD from the movie "Top gun". IMHO, many songs features what I guess is more FM bass synths.
Was it the DX7 that was "the one" to have at the time?

By the way, @fivestringgecko , you play well, too!

 

[fivestringgecko]

Well, it sure seems to be a lot to discover in that pedal. GAS is building up here, no doubt!

The C4 has easily made it into my top fav pedals, and I'd go so far as to say it's might even be my "If I could have only one" pedals. Envelope filters for me as a self-admitted filter junkie, and a ton of fun synth sounds, octaver and dirt pedal in a pinch. Well worth the G.A.S., sir.

By the way, today I listened to the soundtrack CD from the movie "Top gun". IMHO, many songs features what I guess is more FM bass synths.
Was it the DX7 that was "the one" to have at the time?

I'm certainly not a synth expert, but I believe the DX7 may have been used on more than a few songs around the 80's. However they have it built, it seems to have some somewhat unique (and tricky to reproduce?) sounds. I just watched a comparison video (DX7 and Volca FM) and it sure sounds like the DX7 may have been used on Kenny Loggins' Danger Zone for the first Top Gun. (Just speculation on my part, not for sure.)

5sg.

 

[Goatrope]

C4 just landed at my place today. Wow! I’m already deep down the rabbit hole. Looks like I’ll be taking EHX Micro Synth, EBS Octobass, and MXR Script Phase 90 off my little board.

Now waiting on my DMC.micro to ship before I can actually put it on the board. I’m not planning to use it live until I’ve got access to all the presets I’m building/ stealing.

This thing does so much. It’s gonna be a long journey, but an amazing one.

Thanks to all you folks in this thread and those that have uploaded their work. Really cool feature to have that community out there for support.

UPDATE:

DMC.micro arrived a day early (way to go, USPS!)

Did the setup but the thing was acting wonky. Shot off an email to Disaster Area Designs at 4:54pm. By 5:07 I had a reply and a fix! DIP Switch needed setting. Those guys ROCK!

Everything is running perfectly now. With the DMC.micro I’m becoming more confident jumping between presets. Also getting better/ faster at minor preset tweaks on the fly, and saving them in real-time. I’ve learned al lot about the C4 over the last few days, and I’m just scratching the surface.

Re-laid out my board and I’m a happy camper. Can’t wait until I wow folks this weekend at the gigs!

Gratuitous pedal shot below. Path is tuner > Synth > Comp > EQ > LPF/HPF. The other pedals (JamMan and Duplicator) are not for bass. I just keep everything up on the board, running off my power supplies.

 

[Matty Koff]

So I guess I'm on week 3 of owning my C4 and today I finally decided to stop playing with the defaults and community presets and dig into the neuro desktop app and see what this thing is really about And holy crap.

It's not as intimidating as I imagined it would be. I have some learning to do yet for some time to come but I at least see how it works. May have jumped the gun buying the spectrum at the same time instead of putting it towards a midi controller BUT.. I'm inclined to believe it will be cool having the spectrum after the c4 anyway. Especially for the time being until I can afford said midi controller + hub

I don't know what it is but once I dial a noise in that I like so far by myself I start playing more confidently and with more creativity. I tried playing my fretless (new to me) yesterday just bass to amp and struggled, fingers landing in the wrong places.. plugged it into the c4 tonight and I'm like.. whoa groove, I missed you yesterday, how you been? I double checked.. turned the pedal off and my playing was still on point, turned it back on and let myself get lost in rhythm, thump.. and man how easy it is to mix the dry/wet signal so that no matter what you're still capable of suiting the role.

Thing blowing my mind and I'm not even equipped to plug an expression pedal into it yet.

 

[Flop54]

Hello,

Here is my search about the C4 midi sync issue :
As i told you before when the DAO tempo is , C4 tempo is .

I compared helix, mobius and C4.
You could heard helix and mobius manage the midi sync as well but not C4!
C4 is driffting appart wich isn't musical.

What do you think about that?

 

[lesclaypoolsob]

I just posted a Tom Sawyer intro sound to the community. It's mainly for the intro but would work for the synth solo too if you maybe shift the voices up an octave or just lower the filter Q, which I assigned to control 1.

The REALLY fun part is using expression to control the mod source and LFO speed leading into the guitar solo - it gets totally crazy/wobbly!

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[kesslari]

I need some help. I had a GREAT filter sound on the SA Manta. I sold the Manta to buy the C4, knowing that I could get that sound out of the C4.
It's in there somewhere. I can get close, but not close enough. I think the Manta setting was either 5 or 5 extended, or possibly 6. One bar sample of The Sound attached.
Help!

 

[Goatrope]

I need some help. I had a GREAT filter sound on the SA Manta. I sold the Manta to buy the C4, knowing that I could get that sound out of the C4.
It's in there somewhere. I can get close, but not close enough. I think the Manta setting was either 5 or 5 extended, or possibly 6. One bar sample of The Sound attached.
Help!

Funky

There’s a Michael Jackson “Thriller” patch out in the community. Doesn’t nail what you had, but I bet you could tweak it to get there. Sounds like most of the raw components are there, maybe just some filter adjustment.

 

[fivestringgecko]

I need some help. I had a GREAT filter sound on the SA Manta. I sold the Manta to buy the C4, knowing that I could get that sound out of the C4.
It's in there somewhere. I can get close, but not close enough. I think the Manta setting was either 5 or 5 extended, or possibly 6. One bar sample of The Sound attached.
Help!

I just uploaded my interpretation... Not exactly what you had, but should get you fairly close and you can adjust it a bit. Check for "Dual Inverted Filter" on the Neuro Borg Community.

5sg.

 

[kesslari]

I just uploaded my interpretation... Not exactly what you had, but should get you fairly close and you can adjust it a bit. Check for "Dual Inverted Filter" on the Neuro Borg Community.

5sg.

That's a great starting point. Turned down the input level, tweaking some knobs... getting closer. THANKS! I'd never have thought to invert a 2 pole for that sound.

 

[fivestringgecko]

That's a great starting point. Turned down the input level, tweaking some knobs... getting closer. THANKS! I'd never have thought to invert a 2 pole for that sound.

Glad to help! When you get yours done, you should post it back to the Community!

5sg.

 

[Smallmouth_Bass]

That is the problem with these forums at times. So much discussion is about deep things.

We make out pedals for 3 types of folks:
1) Plug and Play
2) Those in the middle
3) Deep tweakers who want a really powerful tool.

Note that jumping from 1 to 2 happens all the time.

With the C4 you can use the stock 6 sounds that are on top, or you can easily browse the work of others (like 600 sounds) and see what you like. If you find something you like more than the stock sounds, you can burn over them. All of what I have described is easy. It is also powerful. Making the pedal complicated is good too, because those people make the 600 cool sounds. Note I did not say "guys" because some of the best sounds in the library were not made by a guy.

I have been on the fence for a while too and while I love the idea of tweak-ability, I think I fall into more of the group #1 (plug and play).

Personally, I would like to see community and/or company available settings that are programs for specific synth/keyboard sounds for popular (and not so popular) songs . For example: Earth Wind & Fire's Groove Tonight, The Eurythmics' Sweet Dreams, Holiday (Madonna). I don't think I have the time, knowledge or patience to produce and edit specific sounds and that's what its primary use would be for me.

I have been watching closely and well... couldn't resist and just placed an order for the C4 and DMC.micro!

 

[KPJ]

I just uploaded my interpretation... Not exactly what you had, but should get you fairly close and you can adjust it a bit. Check for "Dual Inverted Filter" on the Neuro Borg Community.

5sg.

I like that one. Just added to my library. You make some good presets.

 

[N-Bass84]

Hey there!

Finally go my D.A. DMC.mirco for sending midi to my C4. Works great by the way., but I have a serious hum cancling problem right know. It (of course ) got better when I plugged the D.A. and the C4 into seperated unit of my power supply (using: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed])

..but the humming didn`t fully dissapear. It`s quite annoying by the time I´m turning up my amp. I think it would be awful in a live situation.

So maby my power supply is a piece of crap (never had any issues until this day), or my USB Cable + dadapter is a cheap piece of crap. Maybe someone had/has similar problems. I try to get some opinions before burning money for a new power supply.

thanks

 

[rsmith601]

I have been on the fence for a while too and while I love the idea of tweak-ability, I think I fall into more of the group #1 (plug and play).

Personally, I would like to see community and/or company available settings that are programs for specific synth/keyboard sounds for popular (and not so popular) songs . For example: Earth Wind & Fire's Groove Tonight, The Eurythmics' Sweet Dreams, Holiday (Madonna). I don't think I have the time, knowledge or patience to produce and edit specific sounds and that's what its primary use would be for me.

I have been watching closely and well... couldn't resist and just placed an order for the C4 and DMC.micro!

@fivestringgecko has been killing the presets recently!

 

[AngelCrusher]

I spent some time trying to get this too and failed. The DX7 E.BASS 1 is a sound that I haven't been able to get with any pedals. I got excited by the possibilities of FM on the C4, but it doesn't quite work out.

I broke apart the patch (using Dexed) and it should be possible to get close even with just two oscillators (operators). The main ingredients seem to be one operator at f=5 (5 times the root frequency, 2 and a bit octaves up) with a short decay modulating another operator at f=0.5 (one octave down) with a longer decay. Both oscillators set to sine.

The issue for the C4 is that it does its FM before the envelopes are applied to the audio. Even you apply a short envelope it doesn't affect the amount of FM modulation between the two oscillators, so you don't get the movement from bright to dark. Limitations of the DSP I guess.

If you use Input as the source for FM, then it does modulate the oscillator with the 'envelope' of your bass's signal. But you can't tweak the envelope and my bass decays much too slowly to get the DX7 sound. Maybe you could use a compressor before the C4 to tweak the envelope, but that's getting complicated.

Don't get me wrong, I've got some fun FM sounds from the C4 and love it as a synth pedal. I just can't get the DX7 patch from it.

Yeah there is no bass synth pedal that can do that DX7 sound yet. The “Lately” preset as well. I use the Future Impact but more for writing or some live stuff. These pedals are awesome for people in live bands needing a synth sound, but they still have a little ways to go to do everything a synth bass can do when it comes to making records.

I still think these pedals are amazing for being able to go on stage and play your bass without needing a bass synth up there. Thats a huge deal.

 

[BurningSkies]

Hey there!

Finally go my D.A. DMC.mirco for sending midi to my C4. Works great by the way., but I have a serious hum cancling problem right know. It (of course ) got better when I plugged the D.A. and the C4 into seperated unit of my power supply (using: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed])

..but the humming didn`t fully dissapear. It`s quite annoying by the time I´m turning up my amp. I think it would be awful in a live situation.

So maby my power supply is a piece of crap (never had any issues until this day), or my USB Cable + dadapter is a cheap piece of crap. Maybe someone had/has similar problems. I try to get some opinions before burning money for a new power supply.

thanks

That power supply only has two different ISOs on it. I would guess that you've got a good reason now to grab a power supply that has way more isolated taps on it, and from the quick peep at your board you've got a few pedals that are causing problems with each other rather than just the C4 and the DMC.

 

[RudyTardy]

That power supply only has two different ISOs on it. I would guess that you've got a good reason now to grab a power supply that has way more isolated taps on it, and from the quick peep at your board you've got a few pedals that are causing problems with each other rather than just the C4 and the DMC.

I use a power supply with isolated outputs and have terrible noise problems when any USB cables are attached to the C4. That said, I don’t have the micro

 

[Matty Koff]

Hey there!

Finally go my D.A. DMC.mirco for sending midi to my C4. Works great by the way., but I have a serious hum cancling problem right know. It (of course ) got better when I plugged the D.A. and the C4 into seperated unit of my power supply (using: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed])

..but the humming didn`t fully dissapear. It`s quite annoying by the time I´m turning up my amp. I think it would be awful in a live situation.

So maby my power supply is a piece of crap (never had any issues until this day), or my USB Cable + dadapter is a cheap piece of crap. Maybe someone had/has similar problems. I try to get some opinions before burning money for a new power supply.

thanks

Alot of the outputs on your power supply are 150ma max. The C4 has a power draw of 165ma @9v. Your MXR pedals could probably be daisy chained off one of the 150ma outputs.

Make sure the "A" or "B" slot on your power supply is set to 9v and plug your C4 into it.. those two supposedly output 500ma each. You never want to plug a pedal in to a power source providing less ma than you need. More is fine. Less can cause damage. I'm almost willing to bet that's where your hum is coming from.

P.s. - always know the power requirements of your pedals before plugging them in imo. Source Audio pedals have a lot of wizardry going on inside requiring a stronger current, where traditional analog pedals might need 10ma.

Just fyi - i was able to get all of this information from the product pages from various retailers, if not the brand website itself.

 

[BurningSkies]

I use a power supply with isolated outputs and have terrible noise problems when any USB cables are attached to the C4. That said, I don’t have the micro

I'm using standard MIDI cables to a SA Hub right now. I do have USB cables that remain wired in place to the Hub and my C4 and remain coiled under my board when I'm not using an editor and haven't had a problem. I have a DMC 3XL, C4, Hub & AS all on my board. I've never noticed a problem when I have any of the USB's in use while at home and 'editing' any given sounds on a pedal or hub though, and I was just plugged in and editing a few minutes ago, so pretty recently.

My power supply is a TrueTone CS-12, which has all of the outputs isolated from each other though. In the past I've run into some issues with daisy-chaining where mutilple digital pedals on the same tap or even a mix of digital/analog pedals on the same tap may cause hums, digital whines or noise and it takes some 'trial and error' to find which pedals power well together. Also, I've found that certain pedals are less friendly in sharing supplies than others (I'm lookin' at you Strymon Timeline). My feeling from watching my guitarist and keyboard player is that sometimes power supply design can make it all more difficult. They both use Voodoo Labs Mondos and have way more fussy noise issues than I do with the CS12.