source audio c4

[Quatschmacher]

This is a DX7 emulator with the patch I mentioned -

After listening to a few examples of it (I guess most notably used in Tina Turner's What's Love Got To Do With It) it may not be exactly what I'm looking for but I'd love to try it if the C4 can approximate it.

Likely this one at 5.24


Try searching for flute in neuro and see if the ones already there come close.

 

[Quatschmacher]

I’ve uploaded a bunch of new patches utilising an idea I had when I woke up. I’ve used run a sequence on the modulator sine wave so that it changes the texture of the carrier signal when holding a note. I’ve also used a few of the drum machine ideas I had on the second processor.

I’ll try and get some clips up later; it’ll require some reshuffling as I’ve ran out of space on my free Soundcloud account.

 

[Quatschmacher]

I’ve uploaded a bunch of new patches utilising an idea I had when I woke up. I’ve used run a sequence on the modulator sine wave so that it changes the texture of the carrier signal when holding a note. I’ve also used a few of the drum machine ideas I had on the second processor.

I’ll try and get some clips up later; it’ll require some reshuffling as I’ve ran out of space on my free Soundcloud account.

Here's a clip of one of the new patches.
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[Swift713]

Hey folks, I had a C4 and really loved the tones after the initial learning curve. The reasons I returned it were:
1) tracking, its pretty good but unreliable. I would get some goofy glitching in the middle of a sweet and serene passage that just ruined the performance. I think my monophonic tracking technique is pretty good with other gear. I also found some of my notes not coming through at all. I’m not sure if this was due to envelope settings which do seem intuitive to me. I wish it just had 4 knobs for ADSR like many synths do.
2) the neuro app was unwieldy. I couldn’t get it to work consistently with my phone. I was able to switch presets fluidly with my ipad instead of buying midi gear but my phone was inconsistent. Yes, I did the calibration. I also wish one could edit the library better to line up patches for performance. I understand the desktop editor is better but I think the mobile should be as flexible.
So I returned it and tried out the Boss sy-300 which tracks flawlessly. The menu scrolling is tedious but its truly independent of outboard gear. The biggest problem I have with it is the basic sound of the oscillators. It just always sounds cold, metallic, and fizzy to my ears where the C4 sounded really smooth and clear. I wish they could have a baby.
My questions are: is there some secret I’m missing to improve the tracking of the C4 and make it more consistent? And, is there any plan to improve the mobile neuro app to be more performance friendly?

 

[Quatschmacher]

Hey folks, I had a C4 and really loved the tones after the initial learning curve. The reasons I returned it were:
1) tracking, its pretty good but unreliable. I would get some goofy glitching in the middle of a sweet and serene passage that just ruined the performance. I think my monophonic tracking technique is pretty good with other gear. I also found some of my notes not coming through at all. I’m not sure if this was due to envelope settings which do seem intuitive to me. I wish it just had 4 knobs for ADSR like many synths do.
2) the neuro app was unwieldy. I couldn’t get it to work consistently with my phone. I was able to switch presets fluidly with my ipad instead of buying midi gear but my phone was inconsistent. Yes, I did the calibration. I also wish one could edit the library better to line up patches for performance. I understand the desktop editor is better but I think the mobile should be as flexible.
So I returned it and tried out the Boss sy-300 which tracks flawlessly. The menu scrolling is tedious but its truly independent of outboard gear. The biggest problem I have with it is the basic sound of the oscillators. It just always sounds cold, metallic, and fizzy to my ears where the C4 sounded really smooth and clear. I wish they could have a baby.
My questions are: is there some secret I’m missing to improve the tracking of the C4 and make it more consistent? And, is there any plan to improve the mobile neuro app to be more performance friendly?

As far as lining up patches for performance, using a midi controller can achieve this easily then it can access whatever patch you like at the touch of a button. Or you can line up your 128 onboard or Hub patches in performance order and simply scroll to the next, even if that involves some duplication. Are you likely to ever exceed 128 patches for a single performance?

What kind of glitching did you experience? It is more of a thing when the note of your input instrument dies away during long held notes as the tracking circuit has less to hang on to. You notice that the pitch goes a bit squiffy. Using a compressor can help add some sustain.

For shorter notes the tracking is generally fantastic, but attention needs to be paid to muting the previous note just before striking the next otherwise the circuit can’t detect that a new note has been played.

The Neuro is pretty easy to use and has a good search function. I’d agree that there’s always room for improvement in terms of perhaps being able to reorder patches to one’s liking in one’s own library or perhaps to apply (filterable) category tags to one’s patches. You could easily workaround this by adding a prefix or suffix tag to your patch names and use the search filter to locate them.

I think the neuro library app is far from unwieldy and is head and shoulders above many others out there.

The SY-300 “oscillators” are, as you allude to, pretty hideous as it basically just imprints over the top of the source audio (no pun intended).

Have you tried the Future Impact too? It deals with the sustain aspect very well as you can set the amp envelope to sustain only so are able to hold long notes and constant volume. I’d recommend it over the SY-300 any day of the week, despite the very clunky patch management.

 

[Glenn_G]

Hey folks, I had a C4 and really loved the tones after the initial learning curve. The reasons I returned it were:
1) tracking, its pretty good but unreliable. I would get some goofy glitching in the middle of a sweet and serene passage that just ruined the performance. I think my monophonic tracking technique is pretty good with other gear. I also found some of my notes not coming through at all. I’m not sure if this was due to envelope settings which do seem intuitive to me. I wish it just had 4 knobs for ADSR like many synths do.
2) the neuro app was unwieldy. I couldn’t get it to work consistently with my phone. I was able to switch presets fluidly with my ipad instead of buying midi gear but my phone was inconsistent. Yes, I did the calibration. I also wish one could edit the library better to line up patches for performance. I understand the desktop editor is better but I think the mobile should be as flexible.
So I returned it and tried out the Boss sy-300 which tracks flawlessly. The menu scrolling is tedious but its truly independent of outboard gear. The biggest problem I have with it is the basic sound of the oscillators. It just always sounds cold, metallic, and fizzy to my ears where the C4 sounded really smooth and clear. I wish they could have a baby.
My questions are: is there some secret I’m missing to improve the tracking of the C4 and make it more consistent? And, is there any plan to improve the mobile neuro app to be more performance friendly?

This is what I found with some of the things you described.
When you get that glittchy garbled sound, 99% of the time it is how aggressively you are picking. By moving your hand away from the pickups towards the neck or even over the neck solves this issue. As far as notes not being there when you pick, that is a speed thing and again has to do with how aggressive your picking style is. When you play faster, you probably like myself play with a lighter touch and sometimes the envelope won't activate. I notices this only happens with presets that have the envelope very out front in the sound. If you are not creating the preset yourself, with some perseverance, you will find a similar sound from a different author that works better with your fingering and picking style. I have gotten into a habit of downloading multiple presets from the cloud that sound the same and then playing through them and keeping the one that is best for my playing style. Also with the notes dropping out, sometimes adjusting the attack on the envelope to a faster setting can fix it. I think this is done in the LFO but there are better people to tell you how to do this than me.
Lastly on gigs. I don't normally need more than 6 different presets so the toggle switch works fine unless you need to change from one preset to another mid song. For that you need a midi switch. Personally I like the phone app for switching things from the library but to each their own.
Hope this helps

 

[Quatschmacher]

Had another mammoth C4 session this weekend. Loads of new patches uploaded.
Neuro Community by Source Audio

 

[xI Jonathan Ix]

Sorry if it’s been asked before but, does the link between the C4 and the dmc micro need to be two seperate cords like D.A.D. sells like this:

or could I just buy a mini-usb male cord that’s the same on both ends and it would work just as good?

 

[Gibs210]

Sorry if it’s been asked before but, does the link between the C4 and the dmc micro need to be two seperate cords like D.A.D. sells like this:
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or could I just buy a mini-usb male cord that’s the same on both ends and it would work just as good?
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Disaster area tests their cables, I guess some mini B to mini B connections don’t work correctly, and the 2 part cable method has been the most reliable in their testing.

 

[Glenn_G]

I just received a Hot Hand from Source Audio. There was coupon for a free one that came with my C4 so I plugged it into the pedal into the female rca jack on the front and the blue light on the ring lights up but when I move the ring, it has no effect. I saw a guy on you tube who got the pitch to change just by opening and closing his hand but it was plugged into a some sort of controller for it ans then patched into a large synthesizer. So does anyone know how to get this to work?

 

[Quatschmacher]

I just received a Hot Hand from Source Audio. There was coupon for a free one that came with my C4 so I plugged it into the pedal into the female rca jack on the front and the blue light on the ring lights up but when I move the ring, it has no effect. I saw a guy on you tube who got the pitch to change just by opening and closing his hand but it was plugged into a some sort of controller for it ans then patched into a large synthesizer. So does anyone know how to get this to work?

You need to set the x and y axis parameters in the external control section of your C4 patches.

 

[rsmith601]

I just received a Hot Hand from Source Audio. There was coupon for a free one that came with my C4 so I plugged it into the pedal into the female rca jack on the front and the blue light on the ring lights up but when I move the ring, it has no effect. I saw a guy on you tube who got the pitch to change just by opening and closing his hand but it was plugged into a some sort of controller for it ans then patched into a large synthesizer. So does anyone know how to get this to work?

I asked @NPappas to create a HH preset too.

 

[Glenn_G]

You need to set the x and y axis parameters in the external control section of your C4 patches.

That worked. Thanks. Y axis seems to have more of a dramtic effect than X. Works best on sounds with very little envelope

 

[Glenn_G]

I asked @NPappas to create a HH preset too.

Looking forward to it. You need to improve the strap. As a bass player, you want to wear this on your thumb and the strap is barely long enough.

 

[Quatschmacher]

That worked. Thanks. Y axis seems to have more of a dramtic effect than X. Works best on sounds with very little envelope

You can calibrate the x and y axes within the editor in the same place you calibrate an expression pedal. Doing so may give you some extra range.

There will be certain parameters which work better than others with the hot hand. Try it with processor pan or output balance and use radically different filter types on the two processors (like lowpass on processor 1 and high pass on processor 2).

Try some of my patches and swap “expression/external midi” for one of your hot hand axes.

 

[Glenn_G]

You can calibrate the x and y axes within the editor in the same place you calibrate an expression pedal. Doing so may give you some extra range.

There will be certain parameters which work better than others with the hot hand. Try it with processor pan or output balance and use radically different filter types on the two processors (like lowpass on processor 1 and high pass on processor 2).

Try some of my patches and swap “expression/external midi” for one of your hot hand axes.

Honestly, I'm not sure it's worth the effort. This is more of a toy than anything and it is hard to control. The only logical place to wear it is your thumb since your thumb is pretty static when you play and you actually have to stop playing to use it
I can see it being useful in soloing bit that really isn't what bass playing is about and of I am soloing, i try to do more interesting stuff than shaking my right hand.
I can see guitarists really liking this though. It's kind of like having an invisible whammy bar.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Honestly, I'm not sure it's worth the effort. This is more of a toy than anything and it is hard to control. The only logical place to wear it is your thumb since your thumb is pretty static when you play and you actually have to stop playing to use it
I can see it being useful in soloing bit that really isn't what bass playing is about and of I am soloing, i try to do more interesting stuff than shaking my right hand.
I can see guitarists really liking this though. It's kind of like having an invisible whammy bar.

Stick it on your bass’s headstock.

 

[Glenn_G]

Stick it on your bass’s headstock.

There is really no way to do that. There is a clip to attach to your sleeve I guess that would not open wide enough and would probably pop off of a tuning machine.
Also I would be worried about it activating if I turn around to look at the drummer or something. Like I said, it's a toy. I might play with it more but I can't really see a musical application on bass, at least not yet.
Also the wire is really annoying. I know there is a wireless version which is definitely the way to go

 

[Quatschmacher]

There is really no way to do that. There is a clip to attach to your sleeve I guess that would not open wide enough and would probably pop off of a tuning machine.
Also I would be worried about it activating if I turn around to look at the drummer or something. Like I said, it's a toy. I might play with it more but I can't really see a musical application on bass, at least not yet.
Also the wire is really annoying. I know there is a wireless version which is definitely the way to go

Hot Hand 3 is wireless.

 

[rsmith601]

There is really no way to do that. There is a clip to attach to your sleeve I guess that would not open wide enough and would probably pop off of a tuning machine.
Also I would be worried about it activating if I turn around to look at the drummer or something. Like I said, it's a toy. I might play with it more but I can't really see a musical application on bass, at least not yet.
Also the wire is really annoying. I know there is a wireless version which is definitely the way to go

The point of the wired Hot Hand is to check it out and see what is possible. We have some extra ones, so I thought some of you might like to check it out at no cost. The wireless one is NOT a toy. We have sold more than 10,000 of them to all kinds of very serious bass and guitar players. I would guess the ratio is 2 to 1 bass players over guitar. Hammering notes and shaping the filter is the most common application. Nathan Navarro got famous using Hot Hand on bass. Almost 14M views.