source audio c4

[Glenn_G]

The point of the wired Hot Hand is to check it out and see what is possible. We have some extra ones, so I thought some of you might like to check it out at no cost. The wireless one is NOT a toy. We have sold more than 10,000 of them to all kinds of very serious bass and guitar players. I would guess the ratio is 2 to 1 bass players over guitar. Hammering notes and shaping the filter is the most common application. Nathan Navarro got famous using Hot Hand on bass. Almost 14M views.

Sorry if I struck a nerve there. It's just my opinion on it's application. I can see that one application that would be nice if it can be done would be to use it for vabrato. Instead of bending the string, you could just wave your hand but I would like to do that on a tone that sounds like bass. Since it needs to effect an envelope, filter, or some other effect engine, it might not be possible.
I watched the video. I guess in that particular song what he is doing works. I play a lot of funk, jazz, and rock. I was trying to incorporate in some funk bass last night using the Hi Funk preset that is in the cloud and couldn't get it to work. I was hoping it would retrigger the envelope. I probably need to play with x and y axis more to get it to do that. The one it worked best on was called Magic which was someones take on the synthesizer solo in the Heart song Magic man. I got a similar effect to what Nathan was doing.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Sorry if I struck a nerve there. It's just my opinion on it's application. I can see that one application that would be nice if it can be done would be to use it for vabrato. Instead of bending the string, you could just wave your hand but I would like to do that on a tone that sounds like bass. Since it needs to effect an envelope, filter, or some other effect engine, it might not be possible.
I watched the video. I guess in that particular song what he is doing works. I play a lot of funk, jazz, and rock. I was trying to incorporate in some funk bass last night using the Hi Funk preset that is in the cloud and couldn't get it to work. I was hoping it would retrigger the envelope. I probably need to play with x and y axis more to get it to do that. The one it worked best on was called Magic which was someones take on the synthesizer solo in the Heart song Magic man. I got a similar effect to what Nathan was doing.

You could easily get it to control vibrato depth/speed - there are vibrato patches available in C4 and in Lunar/Gemini/Mercury - just assign speed, depth or wet/dry mix to a hot hand axis.

 

[Matty Koff]

The point of the wired Hot Hand is to check it out and see what is possible. We have some extra ones, so I thought some of you might like to check it out at no cost. The wireless one is NOT a toy. We have sold more than 10,000 of them to all kinds of very serious bass and guitar players. I would guess the ratio is 2 to 1 bass players over guitar. Hammering notes and shaping the filter is the most common application. Nathan Navarro got famous using Hot Hand on bass. Almost 14M views.

Nathan is such a beast. Hot hand or no.

 

[Matty Koff]

Sorry if I struck a nerve there. It's just my opinion on it's application. I can see that one application that would be nice if it can be done would be to use it for vabrato. Instead of bending the string, you could just wave your hand but I would like to do that on a tone that sounds like bass. Since it needs to effect an envelope, filter, or some other effect engine, it might not be possible.
I watched the video. I guess in that particular song what he is doing works. I play a lot of funk, jazz, and rock. I was trying to incorporate in some funk bass last night using the Hi Funk preset that is in the cloud and couldn't get it to work. I was hoping it would retrigger the envelope. I probably need to play with x and y axis more to get it to do that. The one it worked best on was called Magic which was someones take on the synthesizer solo in the Heart song Magic man. I got a similar effect to what Nathan was doing.

He uses it to produce a dubstep style mostly, but, to great effect.

 

[Glenn_G]

You could easily get it to control vibrato depth/speed - there are vibrato patches available in C4 and in Lunar/Gemini/Mercury - just assign speed, depth or wet/dry mix to a hot hand axis.

I'll try that. Are Lunar, Gemini, and Mercury the name of the presets? Mind you, I don't want Vabrato except for when I wave my hand
If it os sctive the whole time, that isn't what I was detailing

 

[Quatschmacher]

I'll try that. Are Lunar, Gemini, and Mercury the name of the presets? Mind you, I don't want Vabrato except for when I wave my hand
If it os sctive the whole time, that isn't what I was detailing

Lunar, Gemini and Mercury are the names of the three Source Audio modulation pedals (phaser, chorus, flanger).

If you use one of my C4 chorus samples and map a hot hand axis the detune amount of whichever voice has it applied (making sure that the lower value is 50% and the higher value whatever you like) then you can probably get something in the ball park of what you’re after. The dedicated modulation pedals will be better for this kind of application though as they allow a much wider detune.

 

[Glenn_G]

Lunar, Gemini and Mercury are the names of the three Source Audio modulation pedals (phaser, chorus, flanger).

If you use one of my C4 chorus samples and map a hot hand axis the detune amount of whichever voice has it applied (making sure that the lower value is 50% and the higher value whatever you like) then you can probably get something in the ball park of what you’re after. The dedicated modulation pedals will be better for this kind of application though as they allow a much wider detune.

Well since I already c

Lunar, Gemini and Mercury are the names of the three Source Audio modulation pedals (phaser, chorus, flanger).

If you use one of my C4 chorus samples and map a hot hand axis the detune amount of whichever voice has it applied (making sure that the lower value is 50% and the higher value whatever you like) then you can probably get something in the ball park of what you’re after. The dedicated modulation pedals will be better for this kind of application though as they allow a much wider detune.

Ok, buying a bunch of new pedals is not an option.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Well since I already c

Ok, buying a bunch of new pedals is not an option.

You would only need one - all three are capable of the same sounds, they only differ in what hardware knobs are present and hence what parameters you can control with external control.

 

[Glenn_G]

You would only need one - all three are capable of the same sounds, they only differ in what hardware knobs are present and hence what parameters you can control with external control.

I already have two of them from Boss and TC. I like the Source Audio pedals. They are greqt bit no need to replace what I have. I don't have that kind of dosposable income.

 

[fivestringgecko]

Nathan is such a beast. Hot hand or no.

^ So much this ^

I've always really dug Nathan's videos, and his (and Will's) Hot Hand videos in particular inspired me to get a HH3. I really had a lot of fun with it, but struggled to find a practical application in my gigs at the time, so I parted ways with it to help fund other gear. Maybe now that I have the C4 and some extra time due to Covid, I should revisit the HH3... Still don't have a big calling for dubstep bass in my my current gigs, but man that thing was cool.

5sg.

 

[rsmith601]

Sorry if I struck a nerve there. It's just my opinion on it's application. I can see that one application that would be nice if it can be done would be to use it for vabrato. Instead of bending the string, you could just wave your hand but I would like to do that on a tone that sounds like bass. Since it needs to effect an envelope, filter, or some other effect engine, it might not be possible.
I watched the video. I guess in that particular song what he is doing works. I play a lot of funk, jazz, and rock. I was trying to incorporate in some funk bass last night using the Hi Funk preset that is in the cloud and couldn't get it to work. I was hoping it would retrigger the envelope. I probably need to play with x and y axis more to get it to do that. The one it worked best on was called Magic which was someones take on the synthesizer solo in the Heart song Magic man. I got a similar effect to what Nathan was doing.

Well, we have done lots of stupid things over the last 15 years at Source Audio, and I am usually (but not always) willing to own up to them!
Motion sensing today is no big deal. In 2005 it was a very big deal. Analog Devices (where I came from) invented the micromachined accelerometer, and Hot Hand was the first consumer product in the world to use it. We were about 6 months before the Nintendo Wii and about a year before the iPhone. Funk guitar was one application (Fuzz from Deep Banana Blackout did some epic solos) and dubstep wobble was the other big one. I was looking for some funky bass Hot Hand videos, but for some reason I cant find any. This is a non-dubstep thing that Will Cady did back in the day. In my view, filters are the best thing to control with Hot Hand.

 

[Annette]

Evan Marien uses the Hot Hand 3 with non-SA pedals, easily doable by going 1/4" TRS into the expression in on the pedal:

Oops, wrong video haha. He does use it with non-SA though, too. I will find it.
Edit: Here it is:

 

[Glenn_G]

Evan Marien uses the Hot Hand 3 with non-SA pedals, easily doable by going 1/4" TRS into the expression in on the pedal:

Oops, wrong video haha. He does use it with non-SA though, too. I will find it.

Yeah, I wss going to say thatis a soundblox pedal

 

[Annette]

Yeah, I wss going to say thatis a soundblox pedal

Here it is:

Starting at 1:02, with an SYB-5 I believe

 

[Glenn_G]

Well, we have done lots of stupid things over the last 15 years at Source Audio, and I am usually (but not always) willing to own up to them!
Motion sensing today is no big deal. In 2005 it was a very big deal. Analog Devices (where I came from) invented the micromachined accelerometer, and Hot Hand was the first consumer product in the world to use it. We were about 6 months before the Nintendo Wii and about a year before the iPhone. Funk guitar was one application (Fuzz from Deep Banana Blackout did some epic solos) and dubstep wobble was the other big one. I was looking for some funky bass Hot Hand videos, but for some reason I cant find any. This is a non-dubstep thing that Will Cady did back in the day. In my view, filters are the best thing to control with Hot Hand.

I guess if I was into more techno which seems to be what Nathan is playing I might see more use for this but I always try to find ways to use something that will enhnace bass playing. I am sure Natham is a very talented player but what he is doing isn't what most bass players would consider bass playing. That is just something I try to be very aware of when I play, to compliment the others and choose my spots to come out of the pocket. With this effect, especially the dubstep stuff, you are way out in front. I don't think this is a bad thing btw, it's just a difference in philosophy. I did like the way the guy used it on Portrait of Tracy but it was over used a bit imo. It is closer to using it in the manner I was looking for and has motivated me to go back and work with it more so thanks for sharing that.

 

[Glenn_G]

Here it is:

Starting at 1:02, with an SYB-5 I believe

Thanks for sharing that. That was the most musical application of this thing I have seen so far.

 

[Matty Koff]

I guess if I was into more techno which seems to be what Nathan is playing I might see more use for this but I always try to find ways to use something that will enhnace bass playing. I am sure Natham is a very talented player but what he is doing isn't what most bass players would consider bass playing. That is just something I try to be very aware of when I play, to compliment the others and choose my spots to come out of the pocket. With this effect, especially the dubstep stuff, you are way out in front. I don't think this is a bad thing btw, it's just a difference in philosophy. I did like the way the guy used it on Portrait of Tracy but it was over used a bit imo. It is closer to using it in the manner I was looking for and has motivated me to go back and work with it more so thanks for sharing that.

Highly suggest checking out Nathan's youtube channel. He's mastered pretty much every conceivable technique you could imagine for playing bass. The dubstep thing is just another style of bass playing showing off capabilities of the hot hand and various SA pedals, and kind of what he's known most for. I consider him the star attraction of most of the music I've seen him associated with. Not to discredit the people he plays with, who are also talented musicians.

Here's a video showing off various capabilites of the hot hand as a simple expression device, allowing for more speed in modulation than you could likely get by pivoting your ankle on a pedal. Wah, tremolo/volume control etc etc.



The sky is the limit, and well, your hand is the limit too I guess. There's likely a lot you can do with the various filters included on the c4 if you spend enough time with it. It's another take on an expression pedal, and like an exp. pedal can be plugged into anything with an expression input.

I'm not saying it's easy to find practical applications..as a bass player, most of my pedalboard isn't going to be used 80-90% of the time. Just another tool in the shed.

 

[rsmith601]

Highly suggest checking out Nathan's youtube channel. He's mastered pretty much every conceivable technique you could imagine for playing bass. The dubstep thing is just another style of bass playing showing off capabilities of the hot hand and various SA pedals, and kind of what he's known most for. I consider him the star attraction of most of the music I've seen him associated with. Not to discredit the people he plays with, who are also talented musicians.

Here's a video showing off various capabilites of the hot hand as a simple expression device, allowing for more speed in modulation than you could likely get by pivoting your ankle on a pedal. Wah, tremolo/volume control etc etc.



The sky is the limit, and well, your hand is the limit too I guess. There's likely a lot you can do with the various filters included on the c4 if you spend enough time with it. It's another take on an expression pedal, and like an exp. pedal can be plugged into anything with an expression input.

I'm not saying it's easy to find practical applications..as a bass player, most of my pedalboard isn't going to be used 80-90% of the time. Just another tool in the shed.

So much better said than I did!

 

[Glenn_G]

To all of Nathans fans. I never said he was a one trick pony, I actually said I thought he was a talented player. In the interest to the integrity of this thread, I am not slamming Nathan or the Hot Hand, I am just commenting about my personal experiences with it and what I have seen Nathan do with it and my personal opinion of the general usefulness in bass playing. Mind you I have the wired version and it needs tweeking in the Neuro to get the effects you want and I am experimenting with that a little each day but I think from what I have seen, it is not as versatile as the HH3. It seems more limited.

 

[Matty Koff]

To all of Nathans fans. I never said he was a one trick pony, I actually said I thought he was a talented player. In the interest to the integrity of this thread, I am not slamming Nathan or the Hot Hand, I am just commenting about my personal experiences with it and what I have seen Nathan do with it and my personal opinion of the general usefulness in bass playing. Mind you I have the wired version and it needs tweeking in the Neuro to get the effects you want and I am experimenting with that a little each day but I think from what I have seen, it is not as versatile as the HH3. It seems more limited.

Wasn't accusing you of bashing. Just mentioning that he's worth checking out. He's insanely good, even if the genres he's known for aren't up an individual's alley. Some of the things he does on a bass are awe inspiring.

And while I do understand what you were saying about the traditional role of bass guitar in a band setting, I simply believe that other styles of bass playing still amount to bass playing. No hard feelings, just offering a different perspective.