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Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

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Well guys, I have a confession that morphs into a testimonial. There have been times when I probably liked the idea behind Source Audio more than the products themselves. I misfired on/wasn't compatible with at least one SA product (Dual Expression Pedal). I had a big learning curve with the HH3. I like my Manta, but I haven't used it that much. It's just kind of been there.

Instead of giving up, though, I doubled down. I figured that a Hub might make things better. I've wanted a fuzz but couldn't decide on what flavor; so I decided I would try an OFD. When I got the Hub and OFD, I played around with them for a little bit. I wasn't totally sure what to think.

But then, something just clicked in the last 2-3 times I've played with them. I think I needed to plow through the learning curve. And MAN. I am finally seeing these pedals unleashed. It's BEAUTIFUL. So many great sounds. And the way the Manta and OFD can work together is pretty great as well. I wonder if I really need a synth at this point! I've got several sounds programmed already, but I can't wait to do more.

TL;DR stick with the SB2s, they're worth it.
 
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Szyszaczek said:
If so why not do just one pedal like istomp from digitech?

Is it mean I can buy chorus and turn into ie. ofd?

Idea is great, but we have allready a soundblox with all those options and option to plug into hub, so i dont get those pedals, unless they have some extra options or very low price (soundblox price is very good)
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And the size factor (here I'm assuming that ALL the new pedals have the same brain as SB2 pedals, at least based on what was said for the chorus). Someone earlier told me that even the SB2 can fit nicely in a rack, but if SA is really doing the pedalboard with the power of a MIDI-controlled rack thing (or a modular multi-FX), there's really no need for that many knobs on the pedalboard itself, just the "brains" and a MIDI controller, and the ability to edit your settings from phone or something.

Adamixoye said:
And the way the Manta and OFD can work together is pretty great as well.
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How do you use them together? I've mainly been using the Manta for filters after OFD/MWBD, and one scenes where I need the manta to get this really synthy buzzing-chainsaw-y gated fuzz, that's all.

Adamixoye said:
I wonder if I really need a synth at this point!
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Same for me. I used to think I'd need a SA octaver to take the place of my Octron, but now I'm not sure. I thought I'd really miss the octave down setting on that one, but honestly I've kicked that off my board and been using just the multiwave's multi band octaver.

Adamixoye said:
I've got several sounds programmed already, but I can't wait to do more.
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The funny thing is that although I've programmed a lot of sounds, I end up not using a lot of them. I seem to stick to a few particular sounds because I know exactly how they react to my playing.
 
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Adamixoye said:
Well guys, I have a confession that morphs into a testimonial. There have been times when I probably liked the idea behind Source Audio more than the products themselves. I misfired on/wasn't compatible with at least one SA product (Dual Expression Pedal). I had a big learning curve with the HH3. I like my Manta, but I haven't used it that much. It's just kind of been there.

Instead of giving up, though, I doubled down. I figured that a Hub might make things better. I've wanted a fuzz but couldn't decide on what flavor; so I decided I would try an OFD. When I got the Hub and OFD, I played around with them for a little bit. I wasn't totally sure what to think.

But then, something just clicked in the last 2-3 times I've played with them. I think I needed to plow through the learning curve. And MAN. I am finally seeing these pedals unleashed. It's BEAUTIFUL. So many great sounds. And the way the Manta and OFD can work together is pretty great as well. I wonder if I really need a synth at this point! I've got several sounds programmed already, but I can't wait to do more.

TL;DR stick with the SB2s, they're worth it.
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Almost the same here. It took a while to get through the learning curve. But now it's really easy to figure out a setting when I hear something I want to mimic.

The OFD and manta definitely work well together. Yes the Manta can filter the OFD sounds, but there's more available. Like I use a lot of hi cut settings in the OFD to make the manta filters cleaner. I'll use the OFD a lot as a preamp / EQ for a lot of settings that need a certain sound out in before they work right.

The manta is also a good post effects volume adjuster, phaser, and all kinds of different shaping.
 
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adamaarts said:
The OFD and manta definitely work well together. Yes the Manta can filter the OFD sounds, but there's more available. Like I use a lot of hi cut settings in the OFD to make the manta filters cleaner. I'll use the OFD a lot as a preamp / EQ for a lot of settings that need a certain sound out in before they work right.

The manta is also a good post effects volume adjuster, phaser, and all kinds of different shaping.
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Interesting! I need to pick up some tips and ideas from you guys. I've only been using the OFD as an always-on shaper. Actually, I haven't really tried changing EQ *before* a certain effect, do you have any examples where the effect needs a certain EQ to make it work? I've been doing it the other way round, from a particular clean tone, I tweak the effect to work with that tone.

You run the OFD into the Manta right? I've never tried using a hi cut before a filter, I thought that a filter should have more highs to get a more emphasized effect.
 
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adamaarts said:
Almost the same here. It took a while to get through the learning curve. But now it's really easy to figure out a setting when I hear something I want to mimic.

The OFD and manta definitely work well together. Yes the Manta can filter the OFD sounds, but there's more available. Like I use a lot of hi cut settings in the OFD to make the manta filters cleaner. I'll use the OFD a lot as a preamp / EQ for a lot of settings that need a certain sound out in before they work right.

The manta is also a good post effects volume adjuster, phaser, and all kinds of different shaping.
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Honestly, I have so much other dirt pedals on my board that the OFD is very superfluous at this point. However, the OFD is so great at driving the Manta and even Orbital that it will stay on my board for as long as I own the other SB2 pedals. It's just so useful.
 
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Nic. said:
How do you use them together? I've mainly been using the Manta for filters after OFD/MWBD, and one scenes where I need the manta to get this really synthy buzzing-chainsaw-y gated fuzz, that's all.
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Well, I've tried some of @adamaarts scenes, and he's definitely got some nice drive involved before the Manta. Like @nshuman said, the OFD is really good for that kind of utility work.

I don't have a ton of presets set up, but I'm getting some really cool synth-y sounds using the OFD fuzzes into the Manta. I think I had the Gated Fuzz on the OFD going into a very vocal-sounding filter on the Manta (setting 9?) and it was synth-y goodness.
 
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These comments are all enormously gratifying. There are times when we work hard to create something truly different, useful and inspiring and we get sad when we don't sell enough and people don't get it.

Our vision is to find ways to make the early use of our pedals easier and more welcoming. But, as you get more into it and want to go down the rabbit hole.......you can go forever. The new One Series is a good example.

The delay is perhaps an even better example. We designed this knowing that the software editor was important. As such, the whole product was designed from the bottom up. We created the top level sounds via the same editor that will be out there for those that want to dive in. What is interesting about this is that we are giving tools to the world to create an infinite range of new delay effects. These effects can then be easily shaved and shared. You can pick from our top level list of delay effects right when you get the pedal, or pick from what we hope will be a world of other effects that others have crafted.....or take any of these things and craft your own. It is almost as if the hardware is no longer the limiting factor, but....unlike a PC or Mac, all of this is in a nice little pedal that goes on a pedal board (and/or with a Hub!!).

I am so happy that you guys can see our vision. You should also know that the discussions we have had here on TB have played a huge role in shaping what we are doing. THANKS!! :)
 
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Man, I really rely on Source Audio stuff! Honestly, it's not even the innovation, it's the tone. While I do go down the rabbit hole (mostly for fun), the core sounds and basic programmability are what make my PEQ, Bass OFD and Dimension Reverb cornerstones of my live and studio sound. I also find regular use for the HUB and Dual Expression, but they are more 'icing' while I use the other stuff to actually pay the mortgage.

Great sounding equipment at entirely reasonable and competitive prices. Great after sale support & communication. Those are the keys for me. All this extra program depth is just gravy (but like all gravies: welcome!).... ;-)
 
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scotch said:
Man, I really rely on Source Audio stuff! Honestly, it's not even the innovation, it's the tone. While I do go down the rabbit hole (mostly for fun), the core sounds and basic programmability are what make my PEQ, Bass OFD and Dimension Reverb cornerstones of my live and studio sound. I also find regular use for the HUB and Dual Expression, but they are more 'icing' while I use the other stuff to actually pay the mortgage.
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I can say the same but about the Multiwave, I use it on almost all the time and has been my pride and joy for a very long time.

scotch said:
Great sounding equipment at entirely reasonable and competitive prices. Great after sale support & communication. Those are the keys for me. All this extra program depth is just gravy (but like all gravies: welcome!).... ;-)
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I'd like to become a Sorcerer, can I have a number? - I have an OFD, MBD, Manta, Dimension, HUB and Dual Expression. Got all the gear together for my cover band board. I should be and am in the process of programing every sound I need - especially since the band leader wants the songs "as close to the recording as possible".

I am looking forward to the 2015 SA offerings, especially the Midi control pedal (I am using a MIDI mouse right now).
 
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I was getting frustrated for a while with the editor, and settings. I took some advice from the forum about settings and implemented it. I am in a cover band and we cover a wide array of music from new country to the Muse. I finally dialed in a SICK synth sound via the "Multi distortion" and "Manta"! For Madness I tune the B string on my fiver to a A# and use the Multi Dist Octave patch into the LFO in the Manta and!:bassist: Sounds GR8T!
It takes patients and a lot of tweaking with the SB2 pedals but the outcome is worth it. I am still struggling with the Editor at times but getting the gist of it now. Many new doors open. So, just sit down and turn knobs!;) Also I changed the order of my pedals in the chain. OFD, Multi Dist, Manta, Orbital. Now I can use the dirt patches to drive into the Manta! Pure coolness!
 
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cubanbass said:
I'd like to become a Sorcerer, can I have a number? - I have an OFD, MBD, Manta, Dimension, HUB and Dual Expression. Got all the gear together for my cover band board. I should be and am in the process of programing every sound I need - especially since the band leader wants the songs "as close to the recording as possible".

I am looking forward to the 2015 SA offerings, especially the Midi control pedal (I am using a MIDI mouse right now).
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You will love the versatility. It is all in there. I use the midi moose.
 
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(1) So those videos are just going to keep getting longer and longer?

(2) The Kingmaker isn't bass or guitar specific? I assume you can tweak the voicing with the Neuro?
 
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Wait, so the Neuro editor for iOS/Android works with a TRRS cable into the phone's headphone jack? Dang, that's clever.
 
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Adamixoye said:
Wait, so the Neuro editor for iOS/Android works with a TRRS cable into the phone's headphone jack? Dang, that's clever.
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Considering that the multifunction is just a TRRS cable, I'd really like to see the app work with the Hub that way too.

It sounds pretty good to me anyway. I wonder what the stereo in/out is for? Does it just process the two inputs in parallel or can it do any interesting stereo panned distortions? If it can give me dry on one output and wet on the other output that would be brilliant! Or even better, give me two kinds of distortions on the two outputs to blend.

And I'm curious which are the 8 settings exist on it. All from the OFD? Or maybe a mix unique to the kingmaker, like the Manta's distortions are not exactly the same as the OFD/MWBD? I'm also interested about why the Gemini has all the Orbital functionality while this only has 8 available flavours... distortions need more processing to capture the right touch I guess?
 

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