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Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

#201
rsmith601 said:
On the BEF Pro we had no codes space left at all. Therefore, it is not supported. Sorry!
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oh nooo!! so it is not possible to have a feedback of the adjustments made in the presets? :(:( Tough luck!
is it possible have a complete map of the midi pc and cc ( in user manual there are only 11 ) if I want create a vst (with one of the many open source programs) to be able to save locations of knob?
 
#204
bassistdigger said:
Too bad.. :( so, if in the future I buy a soundblox HUB. I can' t save my preset but just program the befp via my midi out?
Is there possible a firmware update ti fix it on the future?
Thanx
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The Soundblox Pro was advanced when it came out for having MIDI support. There are not many pedals in this price range that have any MIDI support at all. The sensor in and out ports are only for Hot Hand (or the Source Audio Expression Pedal). There is nothing we can do in firmware that can change the MIDI port or the sensor in/out ports. The hardware is limited to what it needed to be when it was designed.

The Soundblox 2 series needed to combine MIDI/Expression/sensor I/O into one small port. This forced us to create the multi-function ports. After we created these, then it became clear that we could do something like the Hub in the future.

I hope this explains the history, and why it is not possible to read the presets on the SB BEF pro externally like you can with the SB Manta.
 
#206
rsmith601 said:
The Soundblox Pro was advanced when it came out for having MIDI support. There are not many pedals in this price range that have any MIDI support at all. The sensor in and out ports are only for Hot Hand (or the Source Audio Expression Pedal). There is nothing we can do in firmware that can change the MIDI port or the sensor in/out ports. The hardware is limited to what it needed to be when it was designed.

The Soundblox 2 series needed to combine MIDI/Expression/sensor I/O into one small port. This forced us to create the multi-function ports. After we created these, then it became clear that we could do something like the Hub in the future.

I hope this explains the history, and why it is not possible to read the presets on the SB BEF pro externally like you can with the SB Manta.
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thanks for the explanation!
I just want to clarify that it not was a negative feedback!
I love Soundblox pedals and I certainly will add to my pedal board, it was just a hope! :)
everything is born from application which I had seen in the' other tread (link#161) and the misunderstanding generated.
I'll try to make a vst which pass true my PC midi out the message to the supperted channels of the BEFP (marked on the manual) on my pc and save presets for the VST to create my database. I think this is possible ...
thanks again for your patience! :)
 
#209
Hi, all. Long time no post. I initially faulted SA for too many parameters and too many multi-function buttons and knobs. Since then I have converted. They're just too good.

Now I was about to pull the trigger on a retro-sounding analog dirt/DI pedal from Tech21 and I find myself brought up short after hearing the SA OFD. I already have a DI on my head. And, man, does the OFD do a fine job of emulating so may different retro/analog dirt sounds!

Now the only question is whether to keep the MXR M80 DI distortion box for the sake of its EQ, DI and noise gate or to flip it altogether.
 
#213
scottfeldstein said:
Hi, all. Long time no post. I initially faulted SA for too many parameters and too many multi-function buttons and knobs. Since then I have converted. They're just too good.

Now I was about to pull the trigger on a retro-sounding analog dirt/DI pedal from Tech21 and I find myself brought up short after hearing the SA OFD. I already have a DI on my head. And, man, does the OFD do a fine job of emulating so may different retro/analog dirt sounds!

Now the only question is whether to keep the MXR M80 DI distortion box for the sake of its EQ, DI and noise gate or to flip it altogether.
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Welcome back, Scott. You have been missed!

I have a question to others who have not bought into the Soundblox 2 program: are we making products that are too complicated?
 
#214
I'd have to say in some ways, yes. The pedals are so adjustable in so many ways that a simple twist takes you into another county and I guess the hard and the fun part is keeping track of where you are and were you were and how you got there without snapping photos of the pedal as you go. Honestly, I'd like to see the SB 2 pedals with the PRO 6 preset option just to be able to walk through and transition the different sounds you can get. I have 5 SB2's and the EQ but haven't gone the Hub route just because I'm still learning each of the pedals enough to get their sounds INDIVIDUALLY sorted to start mixing and matching yet. I don't think I'm good enough or maybe experienced enough to be able to have a tone in my head and be able to dial it right in. I think a catalog of great sounds would help people to get there kind of like how TC does their tone prints but just picking out someone's signature tone without knowing what the actual settings are does not help learn how to dial those tones. I really like what you did with the Manta tone diagrams. I'd like to see that with all the pedals, especially the Orbital.
 
#215
rsmith601 said:
Welcome back, Scott. You have been missed!



I have a question to others who have not bought into the Soundblox 2 program: are we making products that are too complicated?
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Absolutely not. If anyone has ever messed around with analog synths, plug in effects or even soft synths, you know that there is no "simple" way to achieve full adjustability. I mean, I used to use a Moog Little Phatty (now I use the sub phatty) and almost every knob on the LP was a multi-function knob.

It would be a different story if the extra adjustability made it so you land it bad tone zone too quickly. The SA pedals I've used almost always sound good no matter where you set them, unless you make it a point to try to get a bad sound.

The reason I really like the SA filters is that there is not a "baked in" sound. They can emulate a lot of other pedals but don't force you to conform to pre chosen parameter based off of the designer's personal preference. I personally really like being able to have control of almost every aspect of the filter.
 
#216
M Sterling said:
Absolutely not. If anyone has ever messed around with analog synths, plug in effects or even soft synths, you know that there is no "simple" way to achieve full adjustability. I mean, I used to use a Moog Little Phatty (now I use the sub phatty) and almost every knob on the LP was a multi-function knob.

It would be a different story if the extra adjustability made it so you land it bad tone zone too quickly. The SA pedals I've used almost always sound good no matter where you set them, unless you make it a point to try to get a bad sound.

The reason I really like the SA filters is that there is not a "baked in" sound. They can emulate a lot of other pedals but don't force you to conform to pre chosen parameter based off of the designer's personal preference. I personally really like being able to have control of almost every aspect of the filter.
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+100 to this.
 
#217
M Sterling said:
Absolutely not. If anyone has ever messed around with analog synths, plug in effects or even soft synths, you know that there is no "simple" way to achieve full adjustability. I mean, I used to use a Moog Little Phatty (now I use the sub phatty) and almost every knob on the LP was a multi-function knob.

It would be a different story if the extra adjustability made it so you land it bad tone zone too quickly. The SA pedals I've used almost always sound good no matter where you set them, unless you make it a point to try to get a bad sound.

The reason I really like the SA filters is that there is not a "baked in" sound. They can emulate a lot of other pedals but don't force you to conform to pre chosen parameter based off of the designer's personal preference. I personally really like being able to have control of almost every aspect of the filter.
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Yes.
 
#218
Agreed. They are not that hard to figure out. The only 2 things that I could think of to enhance is an led for each knob to show where the setting should be when a preset is selected. Also the blend knob is super sensitive, but not sure if there's a way to do anything with that being its a dual function blend.

Keep doing what you're doing!!
 
#220
rsmith601 said:
Welcome back, Scott. You have been missed!

I have a question to others who have not bought into the Soundblox 2 program: are we making products that are too complicated?
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Honestly, I find Source Audio's approach to pedal interfaces very refreshing. Keep providing a deep feature set with excellent tones and sophisticated (but definitely learnable with a bit of experimenting!) controls and I'll keep buying your pedals!

The only thing I would maybe offer as a suggestion is to replicate the "baked-in" sound functionality of the Orbital Modulator's "default" settings in all your pedals. I know it might not be as necessary with other classes of effects but I do think it could go a long way toward making the pedals more user-friendly straight out of the box. It's an approach that avoids making any compromises in terms of flexibility while still providing a quick and easy way to access a number of fantastic tones.
 

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