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Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

*Disclaimer: I'm new to the Hub technology*

• Noticed that the knob-tweaking on the pedal parameter screen does not reflect instantaneously on the sound coming out of the one series pedal (on Mac). Is this a feature under development?
• Hence, what I'm doing is playing with the parameters on the neuro app (phone) and then clicking on the "read from pedal" button on the Hub manager (computer) to hear the changes and save scenes.
• Also, will the "browse sounds" section be available from the Hub Manager? didn't find the option.

Thanks for the help.


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Every parameter that's available in the Neuro App is also available in the Hub Manager. As such, if you have the Hub Manager, you can use it exclusively (no need to use the app to tweak parameters since they're all available on the screen in the Hub Manager). In other words, it's best to pick one control method and stick with it.

We will work on filling out the preset library in the Hub Manager, which is currently empty. That may involve integrating it with the Neuro App library of presets. At the very least, the factory presets from the Neuro App will find their way into the Hub Manager soon.

The "Import" and "Export" buttons at the top of the parameter editor allow you to load and save presets, respectively.
 
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It's so nice to have everything tied together! A lot nicer tweaking settings on the laptop vs the phone for some reason.

Question though, is it normal practice to have to hit Scan Devices after powering up for One pedals to take orders from the Hub? When I power on and hit a preset, the SB2 and Nemesis pedals go to work but my Aftershock just sits there. If I hit scan and retry the preset, it works from then on out

This is due to the startup timing of the Hub and the Aftershock. We're aware of the problem and will fix it in a Hub firmware update.

For now, the workaround is to hit the Scan button each time you power up the board. It's a minor inconvenience for now but we will resolve this soon.
 
This is due to the startup timing of the Hub and the Aftershock. We're aware of the problem and will fix it in a Hub firmware update.

For now, the workaround is to hit the Scan button each time you power up the board. It's a minor inconvenience for now but we will resolve this soon.
I see this occasionally with my SB2 pedals too, will this change also fix that?
 
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I've some questions for the Source Audio guys and whoever already has the Aftershock:

1) Is there any way to use the mobile editing functions together with using both input/outputs? (i.e. without having to unplug)

I'm having this in mind, could you tell me if this might work:
- I make a TRS mixer box. It has two TRS inputs and one TRS output. The output signal is a direct blend of the two input signals. One input signal will be from my other pedals, the other input signal will be from my mobile device.
- Signal chain is bass -> Aftershock input 1 -> [Aftershock channel 1 set to either clean, distortion or fuzz with noise gate] -> Aftershock output 1 -> External pedals -> Input A of mixer box -> Aftershock input 2 -> [Aftershock channel 2 set to clean with EQ and noise gate] -> Aftershock output 2 -> Amp

(note that I'm using output 1 -> input 2 as my 'effects loop' instead of output 2 -> input 2 because based on the manual, if I use the pre/post effects loop option, I only get one engine. However, I don't need to change the order of the effects, if I do, I can always just set channel 1 clean and channel 2 distortion or vice-versa. What I want to do is to use channel 1 as my 'heavy distortions/fuzz', send it into my B7K for tone shaping and convenient EQ knobs, and then send that back into channel 2 for a much-needed noise gate and 30hz low cut shelving filter)

What I'm hoping this will do is to allow me to simultaneously send audio signals as well as Neuro commands to the Aftershock (e.g. so I can hear in real-time what my tweaks are doing and so I don't have to keep unplugging). My only concern is whether the Aftershock will automatically detect that it is a TRS or TS, and turn the control mode on and off accordingly, but I doubt so because page 31 shows a daisy chain that can send both audio and neuro commands.

In fact, I'd take this one step further: @rsmith601 could I ask if the Neuro app only sends Neuro commands on the ring channel of the TRS? I'm making this hypothesis simply because it would make more sense that way. If so, I would make a TRS mixer box that routs audio from my effects loop to the sleeve of input 2, and neuro from my phone to the ring of input 2.

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2) How would I use the Neuro app together with the Hub? I think I saw some discussion on that earlier but I'm not 100% sure and I'd like to confirm if this works:
- At home, I save my various settings to the hub and recall them using MIDI messages. I will also save the settings to my Neuro app.
- At rehearsals, I'll leave my phone plugged in (if what I'm asking in question 1 can work). As and when I need to change a parameter, I will do the following steps:
(i) use hub+MIDI to load up the right preset
(ii) simultaneously load the same preset on neuro app
(iii) perform the appropriate tweaks from phone, send all, save settings on neuro app
(iv) press and hold on the hub to save the new settings
At the moment, there is no way to use the Neuro app directly with the Hub, right?

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3) Also, regarding the manual ([Invalid or Expired Link Removed]):
- on Page 11, the manual says you have 3 possible presets, you can save one preset in each of the 3 switch positions.
- However, on Page 27, it says that you have 3 burn slots and one preset slot?

Am I misinterpreting this somehow? I know I asked about this quite a while back and at that time, the official Source Audio guys said that there's 3 burn slots (saves the 'hidden' settings, but knobs still work) and 1 preset (only on/off to get the exact same sound every time?). But the description on page 11 makes it sound like you can have 3 burn slots, and 1 preset slot for each switch position.

1.We're looking into this one.

2. The steps you listed would work well. Note that you don't need to pull up the same exact preset in the App if you're just wanting to make a subtle change. For example: You engage a Nemesis preset with your MIDI controller through the HUB, and notice that you'd like more feedback. Pull up any Nemesis preset on your phone and adjust the feedback. Only those changes will be sent to your Nemesis, and you can then save it to your HUB. This will be helpful if you're trying to make changes quickly.

3. Thank you for pointing that out. We have to update the manuals every time we add new features, and sometimes things slip through. You are able to save three presets and three engines in "normal" mode for all of the One Series pedals (not including the Nemesis, which comes with eight).
 

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So after a recording session last night, I eventually figured a working setting but in e heat of the moment forgot to save it or remember what I did. It'd be helpful to have an official answer.

I have my Aftershock into my Nemesis at the end of my chain. I want to use the Aftershock as a wet with Dry through (ch 2) which is a easy setting to find. My question is how do I send that dry channel to the Nemesis (through a Neuro coupler) and have the Nemesis affect the dry signal and wet signal equally but NOT stereo (as in no back and forth delays) I just want a dual mono basically. But ideally this would send dry/wet as intended with the effect on or off.
 
So after a recording session last night, I eventually figured a working setting but in e heat of the moment forgot to save it or remember what I did. It'd be helpful to have an official answer.

I have my Aftershock into my Nemesis at the end of my chain. I want to use the Aftershock as a wet with Dry through (ch 2) which is a easy setting to find. My question is how do I send that dry channel to the Nemesis (through a Neuro coupler) and have the Nemesis affect the dry signal and wet signal equally but NOT stereo (as in no back and forth delays) I just want a dual mono basically. But ideally this would send dry/wet as intended with the effect on or off.
I recommend trying "Stereo In, Stereo Out" and then experimenting with the time knob while holding down the control input button. You can't achieve complete dual mono with the Nemesis, but this will probably get you what you're looking for.
 
Another minor thing, really. Can you change the "Warning! Scene Changed" window so it opens large enough to see all 4 options? It's such a small window and the 'just change the damn scene' option is not shown without scrolling.
Well, that is what is awful about doing tools for both Mac and Windows. Stupid stuff like this cannot be avoided. It is a consequence of the cross platform development tool.
 
Hey all!

Getting close to getting my newest iteration of my board up and running, but hitting a snag. If this has happened to anyone else, and has already been covered, my apologies.

I have a Hub, a Manta and an OFD. I'll be controlling the Hub with a Midi Mouse. I didn't have Midi cables until today, but I tried setting up some scenes last night without them (is this an issue?). I bought all three items used, so there is the possibility that something isn't right, but I hope not. Hub manager recognizes the Hub and both pedals, and can read from both pedals, but when I change parameters on-screen, nothing happens. I CAN turn each pedal on or off (with the Engage button) from the manager. With the OFD, if I change a setting, click the Engage button twice (to disengage, then re-engage) then the setting I changed goes to the pedal. The Manta does not do this. If I make any changes on the pedal itself, nothing is reflected on-screen. Hub firmware is current (1.14, I believe), as is the firmware on the pedals. Perhaps I was mistaken, but I thought the parameters were live, changing on the pedal with what is changed in the manager. I'm fairly new to this whole set up, so if I'm missing something simple, please let me know! Otherwise, any and all help is greatly appreciated!
 
Hey all!

Getting close to getting my newest iteration of my board up and running, but hitting a snag. If this has happened to anyone else, and has already been covered, my apologies.

I have a Hub, a Manta and an OFD. I'll be controlling the Hub with a Midi Mouse. I didn't have Midi cables until today, but I tried setting up some scenes last night without them (is this an issue?). I bought all three items used, so there is the possibility that something isn't right, but I hope not. Hub manager recognizes the Hub and both pedals, and can read from both pedals, but when I change parameters on-screen, nothing happens. I CAN turn each pedal on or off (with the Engage button) from the manager. With the OFD, if I change a setting, click the Engage button twice (to disengage, then re-engage) then the setting I changed goes to the pedal. The Manta does not do this. If I make any changes on the pedal itself, nothing is reflected on-screen. Hub firmware is current (1.14, I believe), as is the firmware on the pedals. Perhaps I was mistaken, but I thought the parameters were live, changing on the pedal with what is changed in the manager. I'm fairly new to this whole set up, so if I'm missing something simple, please let me know! Otherwise, any and all help is greatly appreciated!
I think the Hub firmware is 1.15 now, so that may make a difference. I actually had a similar issue before but I can't remember what I did exactly. Make sure you scan for the pedals and that they're on the same midi channel. Hopefully that helps! And hopefully someone can explain it better than I can!
 
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Hey all!

Getting close to getting my newest iteration of my board up and running, but hitting a snag. If this has happened to anyone else, and has already been covered, my apologies.

I have a Hub, a Manta and an OFD. I'll be controlling the Hub with a Midi Mouse. I didn't have Midi cables until today, but I tried setting up some scenes last night without them (is this an issue?). I bought all three items used, so there is the possibility that something isn't right, but I hope not. Hub manager recognizes the Hub and both pedals, and can read from both pedals, but when I change parameters on-screen, nothing happens. I CAN turn each pedal on or off (with the Engage button) from the manager. With the OFD, if I change a setting, click the Engage button twice (to disengage, then re-engage) then the setting I changed goes to the pedal. The Manta does not do this. If I make any changes on the pedal itself, nothing is reflected on-screen. Hub firmware is current (1.14, I believe), as is the firmware on the pedals. Perhaps I was mistaken, but I thought the parameters were live, changing on the pedal with what is changed in the manager. I'm fairly new to this whole set up, so if I'm missing something simple, please let me know! Otherwise, any and all help is greatly appreciated!

Yeah I posted about a similar issue i was facing with the One Series a couple of pages back. Parameter changes are not live (yet?), but found a workaround: Clicking/unclicking "Enable" sends the data to the pedal, so you'd have to tweak the knobs you like on screen and click/unclick it and hear how it affects the sound everytime. And the other way around, changing parameters on the pedal and reflect them on the screen requires a "read from Pedal" action. Hope the firmware 1.15 solves it
 
Yeah I posted about a similar issue i was facing with the One Series a couple of pages back. Parameter changes are not live (yet?), but found a workaround: Clicking/unclicking "Enable" sends the data to the pedal, so you'd have to tweak the knobs you like on screen and click/unclick it and hear how it affects the sound everytime. And the other way around, changing parameters on the pedal and reflect them on the screen requires a "read from Pedal" action. Hope the firmware 1.15 solves it

I remember seeing something like that, but neither of my pedals are One Series. Just watched a vid that SA posted, giving a tutorial on the manager, and everything there was as it should be... live changes and all.
 
Hub manager recognizes the Hub and both pedals, and can read from both pedals, but when I change parameters on-screen, nothing happens. I CAN turn each pedal on or off (with the Engage button) from the manager. With the OFD, if I change a setting, click the Engage button twice (to disengage, then re-engage) then the setting I changed goes to the pedal. The Manta does not do this. If I make any changes on the pedal itself, nothing is reflected on-screen. Hub firmware is current (1.14, I believe), as is the firmware on the pedals. Perhaps I was mistaken, but I thought the parameters were live, changing on the pedal with what is changed in the manager. I'm fairly new to this whole set up, so if I'm missing something simple, please let me know! Otherwise, any and all help is greatly appreciated!

The Hub Manager is not constantly monitoring the hardware to see if you changed a knob. This is because a majority of people simply use the software to create sounds, making parameter edits on screen with the mouse and not using the physical knobs or buttons while they're doing this.

If you make a change to a knob, that's OK, but it won't show up on the screen until you click the Read From Pedal button. Give that a try.
 
The Hub Manager is not constantly monitoring the hardware to see if you changed a knob. This is because a majority of people simply use the software to create sounds, making parameter edits on screen with the mouse and not using the physical knobs or buttons while they're doing this.

If you make a change to a knob, that's OK, but it won't show up on the screen until you click the Read From Pedal button. Give that a try.

I'm trying to do what is in the tutorial video- make real-time changes to the pedal onscreen, and hearing the difference. It's not doing that.
 
I'm trying to do what is in the tutorial video- make real-time changes to the pedal onscreen, and hearing the difference. It's not doing that.

Ah, sorry about that. I misunderstood.

Hm, well it should be working. Do all of the pedals show up properly in the My Board - Connected Devices section?
 
Ah, sorry about that. I misunderstood.

Hm, well it should be working. Do all of the pedals show up properly in the My Board - Connected Devices section?

Yes, both pedals show up in the manager, and I can open either one to edit. I can turn them on or off, but none of the changes I make to parameters do anything.