Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[Quatschmacher]

Awesome news...making space for it on my board as I write. Decisions....decisions....do I place it before or after my board....oooo....with the two dedicated channel paths....I can do both with this single pedal....I can put one channel on the input to my ES-5 and the other on the output and have different EQ's set for both.

Cool idea! Or you could even put each output in its own loop on the ES5 (but presume they’re all in use).

 

[Quatschmacher]

Another cool thing might be to say run a 2-processor C4 patch into it with split outputs so that each processor can be sent to its own EQ channel on the EQ2. You could then either use that stereo signal or mix it back into mono.

 

[sevenorchids]

Is there a limit to the number of SA pedals that can be chained together and used with the Mobile app? I seem to be able to get four pedals working but nothing beyond that. I have the pedals connected with the TRS couplers. When I run the volume calibration, I can see six pedals react but only four pedals can be changed in the chain (the first four). Wondering if the signal is being attenuated by the number of connections, but that doesn't seem to make sense because the Volume Calibration seems to reach all six. I'm using an iPad Air as the mobile device with a TRS 1/8" cable that has been verified to be working without issue (no faults when checked with a cable tester).

 

[rsmith601]

Is there a limit to the number of SA pedals that can be chained together and used with the Mobile app? I seem to be able to get four pedals working but nothing beyond that. I have the pedals connected with the TRS couplers. When I run the volume calibration, I can see six pedals react but only four pedals can be changed in the chain (the first four). Wondering if the signal is being attenuated by the number of connections, but that doesn't seem to make sense because the Volume Calibration seems to reach all six. I'm using an iPad Air as the mobile device with a TRS 1/8" cable that has been verified to be working without issue (no faults when checked with a cable tester).

The Neuro signal is buffered. There shouldn't be any limit. Something is strange in your chain. Is your firmware in all pedals current? Neuro app updated?

 

[Quatschmacher]

The Neuro signal is buffered. There shouldn't be any limit. Something is strange in your chain. Is your firmware in all pedals current? Neuro app updated?

Could it be that a preset in the non-functional pedal is set to “single input only”?

 

[rsmith601]

Could it be that a preset in the non-functional pedal is set to “single input only”?

That's also possible?

 

[Gibs210]

Could it be that a preset in the non-functional pedal is set to “single input only”?

That's also possible?

the I/O routing shouldn’t mess with the ring connection at all. In other words, you should still be able to recieve data transmissions through a trs connection on in/out2 regardless of I/O routing.

 

[Quatschmacher]

the I/O routing shouldn’t mess with the ring connection at all. In other words, you should still be able to recieve data transmissions through a trs connection on in/out2 regardless of I/O routing.

Good to know, after I typed it, I did think that it would’ve been an odd thing for the SA wizards to have overlooked. As you were, everyone.

 

[Matty Koff]

trying to set up my spectrum in the desktop editor, to be specific within a neuro hub scene. Everytime I click save within the desktop editor my LFO 1&2 settings reset.

Just plugged into the spectrum rather than the hub.. saved on an empty slot after adjusting the speed and it kept my settings.

Since the spectrum and c4 are the latest entries to neuro hub capability, is this a known issue being fixed? Is there a workaround for the time being?

All firmware up to date.. using latest version of the editor.

 

[rsmith601]

trying to set up my spectrum in the desktop editor, to be specific within a neuro hub scene. Everytime I click save within the desktop editor my LFO 1&2 settings reset.

Just plugged into the spectrum rather than the hub.. saved on an empty slot after adjusting the speed and it kept my settings.

Since the spectrum and c4 are the latest entries to neuro hub capability, is this a known issue being fixed? Is there a workaround for the time being?

All firmware up to date.. using latest version of the editor.

@Gibs210 ?

 

[Gibs210]

trying to set up my spectrum in the desktop editor, to be specific within a neuro hub scene. Everytime I click save within the desktop editor my LFO 1&2 settings reset.

Just plugged into the spectrum rather than the hub.. saved on an empty slot after adjusting the speed and it kept my settings.

Since the spectrum and c4 are the latest entries to neuro hub capability, is this a known issue being fixed? Is there a workaround for the time being?

All firmware up to date.. using latest version of the editor.

Never heard of this happening before. Can you try a factory reset on the hub, then use only the spectrum and see if it saves the LFO settings. If so then reload your backup file for the hub (make one before you do the reset).

 

[Matty Koff]

Never heard of this happening before. Can you try a factory reset on the hub, then use only the spectrum and see if it saves the LFO settings. If so then reload your backup file for the hub (make one before you do the reset).

I'll look into it at some point after I wake up tomorrow and let you know, thanks.

 

[Matty Koff]

Never heard of this happening before. Can you try a factory reset on the hub, then use only the spectrum and see if it saves the LFO settings. If so then reload your backup file for the hub (make one before you do the reset).

So, as I stated before, if I plug directly into the spectrum, I can save presets that save my LFO settings..

I factory reset the hub, after exporting my saved scenes, which required running neuro desktop editor as admin or it would tell me I didn't have permission to save.

After factory resetting the hub, when i try to import one of the old scenes.. desktop editor crashes.. no error messages, it just closes.

Before the factory reset, I checked. It's not just the LFO 1&2 window, its all of the windows to the left of it, and the external control options, none of them save. After the factory reset of the hub - same problems are being exhibited.

Plugged straight into the spectrum, saving a single preset, everything works fine.

This isn't the only issue I seem to have, every now and then I have to unpower and power back on the hub because it stops responding to commands from the soleman, including sending scene names back to the soleman. But the hub itself is still interacting with my three SA pedals.

Feel free to PM.

 

[Matty Koff]

I've done some other testing. Seems this is specific to the spectrum and the hub. My settings with the c4
save and take within a scene. Aftershock as well.

Regards to the hub and the spectrum however - it doesnt seem to save ANY settings when setting up the spectrum within a scene now that I'm playing with it. Whatever settings the spectrum was set to when I create the scene seems to be what takes. When you click save - the settings stay where you put them visibly within the editor, but you can hear them revert to the previous settings audibly. Then when you select another scene and go back to the scene using the spectrum, they're visibly back at the values when the scene was first created, not where I adjusted them to prior to clicking save. It doesn't seem specific to any one setting afterall and my apologies if I've been confusing there.

Anyway.. not trying to make a big stink or anything just letting you guys know what I've discovered, and perhaps how to replicate the issue in hopes in nailing down a fix.

 

[rsmith601]

I've done some other testing. Seems this is specific to the spectrum and the hub. My settings with the c4
save and take within a scene. Aftershock as well.

Regards to the hub and the spectrum however - it doesnt seem to save ANY settings when setting up the spectrum within a scene now that I'm playing with it. Whatever settings the spectrum was set to when I create the scene seems to be what takes. When you click save - the settings stay where you put them visibly within the editor, but you can hear them revert to the previous settings audibly. Then when you select another scene and go back to the scene using the spectrum, they're visibly back at the values when the scene was first created, not where I adjusted them to prior to clicking save. It doesn't seem specific to any one setting afterall and my apologies if I've been confusing there.

Anyway.. not trying to make a big stink or anything just letting you guys know what I've discovered, and perhaps how to replicate the issue in hopes in nailing down a fix.

Have you hit the SCAN button on the Hub?
Usually, there is some simple thing that we are overlooking.
Gibs is the expert. We will get to the bottom of this. We always do!

 

[Matty Koff]

Have you hit the SCAN button on the Hub?
Usually, there is some simple thing that we are overlooking.
Gibs is the expert. We will get to the bottom of this. We always do!

Hit that button everytime I sit down with the intention of toying around with my SA pedals. At this point I'm inclined to believe it's a software or firmware issue. And also just double checked, pressing scan before messing with the wah scene I have set up. No change unfortunately.

Not giving up on you guys in the slightest. I love these pedals. Like.. I've never used anything that compares to their capabilities and all the audible goodness. Even double checked my power connections to my Cioks.. hub's connected to a 9v 100mA isolated jack not being shared with anything else.

If you guys want me to try anything else I'm happy to.

 

[rsmith601]

Hit that button everytime I sit down with the intention of toying around with my SA pedals. At this point I'm inclined to believe it's a software or firmware issue.

Not giving up on you guys in the slightest. I love these pedals lol. Even double checked my power connections to my Cioks.. hub's connected to a 9v 100ma isolated jack not being shared with anything else.

If you guys want me to try anything else I'm happy to.

Hard to believe something this important is not working. Gibs will investigate.

 

[Matty Koff]

Hard to believe something this important is not working. Gibs will investigate.

Not saying I know for certain, but if this does turn out to be something overlooked on the SA end, it's understandable. Visually, everything appears to do what it's supposed to do without taking any additional steps.
I think I might be in a rare camp, owning both the spectrum and the c4, and technically could get all my wah/auto-wah from the c4. But it appeals to me, being able to engage one vs all.

To be fair - I ordered my SA pedals in November, didn't add the hub/soleman til January.. and haven't spent as much time with them as I'd like to as I have a tendency to get caught up playing my bass when it's in my hands. Got into a lazy slump where I was enjoying only carrying a single bass to the band's practice space, being used to playing clean or only compression. With that on a temporary hiatus/toying with online solutions I'm putting more effort into them and this just happened to be a hurdle. I couldn't even guess how many other spectrum users there are out there, given the c4 exists, much less that also use the hub.

Panel mode via the soleman, might honestly be a work around for the time being. Just haven't got that far yet. I have the additional footswitches to cycle panels.. creating scenes just kind of let me get away with a single usb connection.

If you guys aren't able to replicate the issue, let me know, along with any other steps you'd like me to take. Otherwise I'm confident you guys will get a fix out.

For reference I use the latest build of windows 10 and am pretty meticulous about keeping my drivers up to date.

 

[Gibs210]

Not saying I know for certain, but if this does turn out to be something overlooked on the SA end, it's understandable. Visually, everything appears to do what it's supposed to do without taking any additional steps.
I think I might be in a rare camp, owning both the spectrum and the c4, and technically could get all my wah/auto-wah from the c4. But it appeals to me, being able to engage one vs all.

To be fair - I ordered my SA pedals in November, didn't add the hub/soleman til January.. and haven't spent as much time with them as I'd like to as I have a tendency to get caught up playing my bass when it's in my hands. Got into a lazy slump where I was enjoying only carrying a single bass to the band's practice space, being used to playing clean or only compression. With that on a temporary hiatus/toying with online solutions I'm putting more effort into them and this just happened to be a hurdle. I couldn't even guess how many other spectrum users there are out there, given the c4 exists, much less that also use the hub.

Panel mode via the soleman, might honestly be a work around for the time being. Just haven't got that far yet. I have the additional footswitches to cycle panels.. creating scenes just kind of let me get away with a single usb connection.

If you guys aren't able to replicate the issue, let me know, along with any other steps you'd like me to take. Otherwise I'm confident you guys will get a fix out.

For reference I use the latest build of windows 10 and am pretty meticulous about keeping my drivers up to date.

Can you try a different TRRS cable with the spectrum? It’s possible the cable is at fault and causing the issues with recalling presets properly. Wouldn’t be unheard of that a bad TRRS cable was the culprit. Also, midi wise, are you just using the soleman and hub, or are there any other midi pedals between the 2 units?

 

[Matty Koff]

Can you try a different TRRS cable with the spectrum? It’s possible the cable is at fault and causing the issues with recalling presets properly. Wouldn’t be unheard of that a bad TRRS cable was the culprit. Also, midi wise, are you just using the soleman and hub, or are there any other midi pedals between the 2 units?

Only using soleman and hub. Not sure where I placed the remaining TRRS cables from the hub bundle (if there were more than three), however i unplugged the spectrum and the c4 and put the c4's TRRS cable into the spectrum, unplugged the usb connection to the laptop and reconnected to refresh the device.

No spectrum settings are being saved when saving a hub scene. I get midi control via expression pedal, and hear changes as I adjust knobs WHILE setting up the spectrum within a scene, but when I click save, it just reverts back to the state of the pedal when I created a scene, again audibly, and visibily once I switch from one scene back to the one I was working on.

Here.. I've gone a step above for you. I've unplugged all three pedals from the hub, refreshed the hub in windows via disconnecting/reconnecting the USB. Added the spectrum manually, rather than creating a scene using the connected pedals since there were none... adjusted values and settings for the "imaginary spectrum" under a scene saved as "Test".

Just to be clear - I'm talking specifically hub scenes.

Switched from one scene, back to test, and my settings weren't saved.

Could you also do this within the neuro desktop editor and confirm whether or not you are seeing this behavior?

No hardware required, except for the hub.

To further rule out hardware, I went and did the same thing with the c4 while it was disconnected from the hub, and the settings remained as I had set them prior to pressing save. = working fine. (in fact it worked when I plugged the pedal back in and cycled to my "test" scene)

Problem seems to lie within firmware or neuro desktop editor, specific to the spectrum and the hub.

Any hub user with access to a windows 10 pc, regardless of whether they use the spectrum or not could test this one out as well, and let me know whether or not I'm alone. Just go to an empty scene, "Add new pedal" "Spectrum Intelligent Filter", adjust various knobs, click save, switch to another scene and then back and tell me if it kept your settings.