Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[JMX]

I just bought the Soleman and for some reason I cannot rename things with it. Whenever I switch to another preset and back the change is forgotten. Is there a fix or workaround? Hub and Soleman are up-to-date, cables are new. Setting the Hub to Midi Out doesn't help.

 

[Gibs210]

I just bought the Soleman and for some reason I cannot rename things with it. Whenever I switch to another preset and back the change is forgotten. Is there a fix or workaround? Hub and Soleman are up-to-date, cables are new. Setting the Hub to Midi Out doesn't help.

The names on the soleman or the names on the hub? Do you have read scene names from hub enabled?

 

[JMX]

The names on the Hub. Read Scene Names From Hub is enabled, Midi in and Out are connected.

 

[N4860]

The names on the Hub. Read Scene Names From Hub is enabled, Midi in and Out are connected.

I don't have my board in front of me, but isn't there something on the hub that you have to select as midi through to get the names to work? Or maybe it was on the soleman?

 

[JMX]

I think the Hub needs to be set to Midi Out, but I tried both settings. I'll Go Back and try that again, thanks.

 

[N4860]

I think the Hub needs to be set to Midi Out, but I tried both settings. I'll Go Back and try that again, thanks.

Yeah, you're right it should be set to MIDI out on the hub. I just looked it up to confirm in the manual.

 

[Christophe C]

That means it will overwrite the present that is currently in the slot I'm saving it to

yes, you need to save the presets on a buffer location then save again each preset where you want. Be systematic...

 

[rsmith601]

Would you say it can replace a comp on its own or is it just a nice add-on for the Ultrawave?

Time will tell, but the interface is awesome. There is an active display or your signal and the shape of the compression curve. It makes setting things up very intuitive and clear.

 

[gpx1200]

There are so many loopers out there. What would be good about an SA one?

Well the ability to integrate the looper into a Nero patch for one .. possibly having the looper triggered when you activate a preset ... right now everything on my board is controlled by the Nero hub and I’d like any future additions to adhere to that ... just need a bigger hub

 

[rsmith601]

Well the ability to integrate the looper into a Nero patch for one .. possibly having the looper triggered when you activate a preset ... right now everything on my board is controlled by the Nero hub and I’d like any future additions to adhere to that ... just need a bigger hub

Got it!! Thanks. It's on the long list of things we want to do. We actually started it one time. Hope to do it again.

 

[rsmith601]

Would you say it can replace a comp on its own or is it just a nice add-on for the Ultrawave?

Also note it's stereo, MIDI, presets, etc.

 

[JMX]

OK, I think I know now what happened. I thought you could rename patches in the Hub with the Soleman - this doesn't work, probably due to limitations in the MIDI protocol. It just puts names on the scenes in the Soleman. Since I had Read Scene Names From Hub enabled, my guess is that the Hub names supersede the names in the Soleman, making it look like the Soleman keeps forgetting the name changes. Now, when I disable Read Scene Names From Hub, the name changes via the Soleman appear, since they aren't superseded by the Hub names anymore. Does that sound right?

 

[Gibs210]

Yep, you need to name scenes on the hub if using scene names from hub option.

OK, I think I know now what happened. I thought you could rename patches in the Hub with the Soleman - this doesn't work, probably due to limitations in the MIDI protocol. It just puts names on the scenes in the Soleman. Since I had Read Scene Names From Hub enabled, my guess is that the Hub names supersede the names in the Soleman, making it look like the Soleman keeps forgetting the name changes. Now, when I disable Read Scene Names From Hub, the name changes via the Soleman appear, since they aren't superseded by the Hub names anymore. Does that sound right?

 

[JMX]

OK, but it would be a really nice feature - because on second thoughts it must be possible in principle because the Hub can transmit the Scene names to the Soleman via MIDI, right?

 

[Gibs210]

OK, but it would be a really nice feature - because on second thoughts it must be possible in principle because the Hub can transmit the Scene names to the Soleman via MIDI, right?

It’s been requested, not quite sure what it involves on the programming side of things, or if it’s possible.

 

[DC in ATX]

Not a SA sorcerer, but I may humbly submit an apprenticeship application—assuming I can iron out some details.

See setup here:

The hub and Collider are new additions to the mix. Also, I recently swapped the C4 in place of a Spectrum.

My basic goals right now are:

1. to be able to load presets to any of the SA pedals from the desktop app via a single point of connection, so to speak
2. Save scenes on the hub
3. Recall saved scenes using the DMC.micro

I suppose the first question is: Are these reasonable expectations? If so, where do I want the laptop to interface in the system? And what is the best way to connect the controller to the hub?

Prior to the Hub, I used the desktop app to load Spectrum/C4 presets to the envelope filter pedal. Then I could use the DMC.micro to switch between presets. So I understand the direct to pedal programming, but not the optimal Laptop-to-hub-to-pedals approach.

In a perfect world, I’d like to not have to constantly plug and unplug the laptop and the controller. Right now, I am using a micro USB between the controller and the hub—just because that’s how I used to control individual pedals.

If I change the controller-to-hub cable to a midi connection, can I dedicate the micro USB input to my laptop?

thanks in advance for any pro tips.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Not a SA sorcerer, but I may humbly submit an apprenticeship application—assuming I can iron out some details.

See setup here:

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The hub and Collider are new additions to the mix. Also, I recently swapped the C4 in place of a Spectrum.

My basic goals right now are:

1. to be able to load presets to any of the SA pedals from the desktop app via a single point of connection, so to speak
2. Save scenes on the hub
3. Recall saved scenes using the DMC.micro

I suppose the first question is: Are these reasonable expectations? If so, where do I want the laptop to interface in the system? And what is the best way to connect the controller to the hub?

Prior to the Hub, I used the desktop app to load Spectrum/C4 presets to the envelope filter pedal. Then I could use the DMC.micro to switch between presets. So I understand the direct to pedal programming, but not the optimal Laptop-to-hub-to-pedals approach.

In a perfect world, I’d like to not have to constantly plug and unplug the laptop and the controller. Right now, I am using a micro USB between the controller and the hub—just because that’s how I used to control individual pedals.

If I change the controller-to-hub cable to a midi connection, can I dedicate the micro USB input to my laptop?

thanks in advance for any pro tips.

Those are all reasonable expectations.

If you connect usb between the hub and your pc then you can create patches on all connected pedals and save the whole shebang as a Hub scene which you can then use the Micro to recall.

However, doing the above will mean you aren’t using the C4’s and Collider’s internal presets; in order to access and create those via desktop, you do indeed need to plug a usb cable in to each.

What you could do is use the usb-to-Hub method for desktop work, but then also plug your mobile device into the C4 via the audio on input 2 and connect a TRS cable between C4 and Aftershock and between Aftershock and Collider via input and output 2; that way you’ll be able to use the mobile app to create patches on all three pedals and, in the case of the C4 and Collider, you’ll be able to burn those patches to the internal pedal preset slots. You could still additionally save the result across all three pedals as a Hub scene by using the DMC to send the PC message of the slot you want to save to and the save button on the Hub to save the scene.

 

[DC in ATX]

Those are all reasonable expectations.

If you connect usb between the hub and your pc then you can create patches on all connected pedals and save the whole shebang as a Hub scene which you can then use the Micro to recall.

However, doing the above will mean you aren’t using the C4’s and Collider’s internal presets; in order to access and create those via desktop, you do indeed need to plug a usb cable in to each.

What you could do is use the usb-to-Hub method for desktop work, but then also plug your mobile device into the C4 via the audio on input 2 and connect a TRS cable between C4 and Aftershock and between Aftershock and Collider via input and output 2; that way you’ll be able to use the mobile app to create patches on all three pedals and, in the case of the C4 and Collider, you’ll be able to burn those patches to the internal pedal preset slots. You could still additionally save the result across all three pedals as a Hub scene by using the DMC to send the PC message of the slot you want to save to and the save button on the Hub to save the scene.

Thanks, Q. I’m reading you. I got the SA 1/4” connectors with that mobile phone burn option in mind. What I hadn’t really grocked is the distinction about where things are stored and why.

Along these lines, can the controller recall settings on more than one device?

In other words, if I store a bunch of presets locally to the pedals—as a library from which to build scenes—can I access pedal settings 7 thru 128 from the controller (via the hub) and still use the DMC.micro controller to access saved scenes on the hub?

 

[Quatschmacher]

Thanks, Q. I’m reading you. I got the SA 1/4” connectors with that mobile phone burn option in mind. What I hadn’t really grocked is the distinction about where things are stored and why.

Along these lines, can the controller recall settings on more than one device?

In other words, if I store a bunch of presets locally to the pedals—as a library from which to build scenes—can I access pedal settings 7 thru 128 from the controller (via the hub) and still use the DMC.micro controller to access saved scenes on the hub?

I haven’t used the DMC micro so am not familiar with its functions. If it is able to send MIDI CCs on different channels then it will be able to call up internal presets on the individual pedals.

I use a Morningstar MC8 and I can do that easily. If the micro doesn’t do it, I’d recommend taking a hard look at the new Morningstar MC3 which will do what you need with ease.

 

[benevan]

In other words, if I store a bunch of presets locally to the pedals—as a library from which to build scenes—can I access pedal settings 7 thru 128 from the controller (via the hub) and still use the DMC.micro controller to access saved scenes on the hub?

You can do this in the device mode on the DMC. One of the nice features of the DMC line is that it can control preset lists on individual pedals independently from the other connected devices. So you can call up HUB scenes and then call up presets that are saved on the C4 separate from the Hub scene.

However, the DMC micro can only control up to 3x devices. So you could control the Hub + 2 of the other connected devices independently from each other OR each of the Hub connected devices (but not scenes from the Hub). For your setup, since the Aftershock does not have many onboard presets, it may be better to set the Hub up as device A/midi channel 1, the C4 as device B/midi channel 2 and the Collider as device C/midi channel 3. You can then toggle through the Hub presets, and also toggle the Collider and C4 presets separately. The DMC micro manual has a very simple walkthrough in setting this up. The midi channel for each connected device can be set in the Neuro desktop app.