Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[LSMFT6]

 

[GMC]

I got my ultrawave yesterday. Wow this thing is deep! The dirt and comp sounds alone are worth the price of admission. There are tons of other options for me to figure out and explore such as the morphing, lfo, and multi band tremolo sections.

My Ultrawave Beta is on it's way too, but might take a little more time to arrive.
For me, the multiwave distortion is a minor interest. But I'm sure I was admire it once I get to play with it and apply some patches to it. However, if I can work out a convincing "Your the Doom" patch and an accurate "Mastotron" patch I will be utterly delighted. It would then allow me to kick my Mastotron off my board for sure. The trem on the Lunar is nice but not as sweet as I can get on my H9 or old Mobius. So it is a welcome addition to my board. But the real biggie for me is a Midi capable fully featured compressor. I'm looking forwards to creating a number of Compressor patches that mimic the different options my "EBS Multi Comp". If it can replace my EBS Multi Comp then I have kicked 2 long term analogue pedals off my board and replaced with one digital. I then have a pure digital board. The additional EQ, morphing and sequencer are all added source.

 

[Quatschmacher]

My Ultrawave Beta is on it's way too, but might take a little more time to arrive.
For me, the multiwave distortion is a minor interest. But I'm sure I was admire it once I get to play with it and apply some patches to it. However, if I can work out a convincing "Your the Doom" patch and an accurate "Mastotron" patch I will be utterly delighted. It would then allow me to kick my Mastotron off my board for sure. The trem on the Lunar is nice but not as sweet as I can get on my H9 or old Mobius. So it is a welcome addition to my board. But the real biggie for me is a Midi capable fully featured compressor. I'm looking forwards to creating a number of Compressor patches that mimic the different options my "EBS Multi Comp". If it can replace my EBS Multi Comp then I have kicked 2 long term analogue pedals off my board and replaced with one digital. I then have a pure digital board. The additional EQ, morphing and sequencer are all added source.

Did you check out my clips from earlier in the thread? I’ve been attempting to clone the Mastotron. Not sure if it’ll do the Doom; there are octave models but not certain if any is the right flavour.

Worth bearing in mind that if using the compressor in a dual-band configuration, it will use both channels of the UW.

 

[GMC]

Did you check out my clips from earlier in the thread? I’ve been attempting to clone the Mastotron. Not sure if it’ll do the Doom; there are octave models but not certain if any is the right flavour.

Worth bearing in mind that if using the compressor in a dual-band configuration, it will use both channels of the UW.

I did saw your Mastotron and it sounded pretty close. I can't wait to try it. I won't know until I can plug my basses into an Ultrawave and try it out. It's likely going to need tweeking. But it's the closest I've heard for sure.
I have one particular Mastotron sound that I can't currently mimic on the Aftershock. Your Ultrawave patch is pretty close to that sound.

One of the "features" of digital dirt models is that they tend to have linear responses. It's great when you want a model to work at varying grit levels or work with any bass input. However, some analogue dirt pedals (Mastotron and Titan II to name a few) are a lot more organic and offer very different tones, compression, splutteryness and grit structures as the grit or gain or input impedance is altered. This complexity and changing nature is very hard to dial into a single digital model. I think even a Kemper modeller would struggle. In the case of the Aftershock, a pre-set selection of models that can be stacked to approximate a similar response. If I take an example a SpaceMan Titan II fuzz, it's quite a light overdrive at the low gain settings. Increase the input gain (vol of the bass) and it becomes very splutttery, almost sag like. Turn down the input tone control (on the bass) and it takes on a different character, much more like a driven creamy muff. Then max out the gain and tone and max out the grit on the pedal and it nudges into synth fuzz tones. All from the one pedal. But to re-create this on the Aftershock, I'd probably need to create 4 different pre-sets for each of it's different personalities. Once done, these 4 patches / sounds can be made to work at any input impedance / gain level and will be very controllable and stable using the aftershocks' tone controls and gain controls.
I think this is why the Titan II an Mastotron have been SO hard to model in the Aftershock, everyone's bass and chain influences those pedals in a unique way. It's hard to find a patch that gives a consensus sound that's close for everyone.

 

[GMC]

This week, I've been re-arranging my ES-5 patches and loops so that I have room for my incoming SA Ultrawave. What I've decided to do was move the SA lunar out of Loop 5 and reserve that loop for the SA Ultrawave. I've now placed my Lunar as the first item on the output of the ES-5. So now my chain is ES-5 Loops 1-5 > Output > Lunar > EQ2 > H9 (ambience).
Then means that I now engage my Lunar on / off via Midi CC (which works really well). I've set my 6 lunar patches so they are default un-engaged and done the same for my Neuro hub scenes. I've added a few Lunar patches to some of my existing scenes too. I'm switching my Lunar on / off by remapping my Mute Switch on my ES-5. This means that I can engage a modulation patch / Scene on any ES-5 patch using my ES-5 Mute Switch.
This is working very well and I'm really liking the flexibility. Once engaged, I can flick through the Lunar's 6 on board patches if I want to choose different modulation to the current scene loaded by the ES-5 patch.
It's the first time I've found a good way of integrating the Lunar on my board.
The other good thing here is that my Lunar is now wired stereo into my EQ2 and then into my H9 (ambience).
I can now do stereo Chorus effects that I couldn't do before.

 

[Quatschmacher]

I did saw your Mastotron and it sounded pretty close. I can't wait to try it. I won't know until I can plug my basses into an Ultrawave and try it out. It's likely going to need tweeking. But it's the closest I've heard for sure.
I have one particular Mastotron sound that I can't currently mimic on the Aftershock. Your Ultrawave patch is pretty close to that sound.

One of the "features" of digital dirt models is that they tend to have linear responses. It's great when you want a model to work at varying grit levels or work with any bass input. However, some analogue dirt pedals (Mastotron and Titan II to name a few) are a lot more organic and offer very different tones, compression, splutteryness and grit structures as the grit or gain or input impedance is altered. This complexity and changing nature is very hard to dial into a single digital model. I think even a Kemper modeller would struggle. In the case of the Aftershock, a pre-set selection of models that can be stacked to approximate a similar response. If I take an example a SpaceMan Titan II fuzz, it's quite a light overdrive at the low gain settings. Increase the input gain (vol of the bass) and it becomes very splutttery, almost sag like. Turn down the input tone control (on the bass) and it takes on a different character, much more like a driven creamy muff. Then max out the gain and tone and max out the grit on the pedal and it nudges into synth fuzz tones. All from the one pedal. But to re-create this on the Aftershock, I'd probably need to create 4 different pre-sets for each of it's different personalities. Once done, these 4 patches / sounds can be made to work at any input impedance / gain level and will be very controllable and stable using the aftershocks' tone controls and gain controls.
I think this is why the Titan II an Mastotron have been SO hard to model in the Aftershock, everyone's bass and chain influences those pedals in a unique way. It's hard to find a patch that gives a consensus sound that's close for everyone.

Very true. You can probably get some of the way there by using the morph feature with envelope as a source to mimic some of the response differences but it’s a long process to program.

 

[ghorvers]

It's quiet uptown..

 

[AlvarHanso]

Trying out the morphing with a clean channel.

This one gets a nice Beam sound. Mickey Hart, among others, has an instrument called The Beam that is an 8' 13 stringed aluminum beam he says Pythagoras invented. Makes fantastic sounds and has been used on Apocalypse Now, The Thin Red Line and other things. The E-Dome from the Collider makes for a nice envelope to create a French horn/tuba kind of timbre.

Creating a new preset to mimic my first song written for the MWBDP. Back then I needed my Moog Bass MuRF, I'm thinking the Ultrawave may end up replacing the MuRF...

Some fun trying to get big soundtrack soundscapes with 2-3 pedals and a bass.

 

[Gibs210]

Trying out the morphing with a clean channel.

This one gets a nice Beam sound. Mickey Hart, among others, has an instrument called The Beam that is an 8' 13 stringed aluminum beam he says Pythagoras invented. Makes fantastic sounds and has been used on Apocalypse Now, The Thin Red Line and other things. The E-Dome from the Collider makes for a nice envelope to create a French horn/tuba kind of timbre.

Creating a new preset to mimic my first song written for the MWBDP. Back then I needed my Moog Bass MuRF, I'm thinking the Ultrawave may end up replacing the MuRF...

Some fun trying to get big soundtrack soundscapes with 2-3 pedals and a bass.

Some cool sounds in there, make sure to get them uploaded to the neuro app!

 

[AlvarHanso]

Some cool sounds in there, make sure to get them uploaded to the neuro app!

Thanks, got a couple uploaded out of that. Some of that was testing out routing and pairing, so I unfortunately twiddled without saving, and my note taking got less frequent as the day wore on.

 

[fivestringgecko]

Some good sounds @AlvarHanso!

Very much looking forward to getting my Ultrawave and diving in!

5sg.

 

[Adamixoye]

Wondering if any UltraWave users can comment on it as a pure compressor. I probably don't NEED another dirt pedal BUT if it's a good replacement for my Empress Compressor and I get the fun stuff for free then it's something I could see myself getting.

 

[Gibs210]

Wondering if any UltraWave users can comment on it as a pure compressor. I probably don't NEED another dirt pedal BUT if it's a good replacement for my Empress Compressor and I get the fun stuff for free then it's something I could see myself getting.

Little bias given my position, but I think it’s a great comp standalone. Love the dual band compression for guitar. I just kicked comp off my board whe I built the new setup, but now I’m trying to figure out how to squeeze the ultrawave onto my board and use it for some dirt and comp (@NPappas has some good analog like dirt settings made for it for some traditional sounds as well).

 

[dalo]

Wondering if any UltraWave users can comment on it as a pure compressor. I probably don't NEED another dirt pedal BUT if it's a good replacement for my Empress Compressor and I get the fun stuff for free then it's something I could see myself getting.

I'm not really into using compressor pedals, but the one in the ultrawave is very impressive. It sounds good subtle or squashed. I really like the stock squashed comp preset that was included. Plus there is a built in EQ and blending options for versatility. There's no sidechain, so that would be one advantage for the empress.

 

[SumOne]

Am I correct in assuming the Gemini, Lunar, Mercury are basically the same and can each do exactly the same sounds - the only difference being if you want mix/tone, resonance/shape, resonance/delay on the hardware controls rather than editing them via neuro?

 

[Gibs210]

Am I correct in assuming the Gemini, Lunar, Mercury are basically the same and can each do exactly the same sounds - the only difference being if you want mix/tone, resonance/shape, resonance/delay on the hardware controls rather than editing them via neuro?

Correct

 

[SumOne]

Correct

Thanks.

 

[GMC]

Thanks, got a couple uploaded out of that. Some of that was testing out routing and pairing, so I unfortunately twiddled without saving, and my note taking got less frequent as the day wore on.

Loving that Morning Beam patch...REALLY nice and soundscapie..(is that a word) a one stop pad for sure.

 

[AlvarHanso]

Loving that Morning Beam patch...REALLY nice and soundscapie..(is that a word) a one stop pad for sure.

Thanks! I'll keep working on that one, because I definitely want to be able to go all Mickey Hart on some people. But it does require a big wet reverb, so I'll see if I can't get that nice and refined and uploaded soon.

ETA: my Neuro hub just got delivered, so that may make things a bit easier for me to save presets as I work.

 

[ReeV0]

Is it worth getting an Ultrawave if I already have a C4? Are the presets compatible like with the Spectrum?