Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[Derek Williams]

OMG, I never even thought about this! Given that all SA stuff is switchable separately I could run stuff in a mini chain in a single loop, provided it’s stuff whose internal order I never need to change, or which I’ll never likely run together. A good candidate might be Aftershock and Ultrawave as I’m unlikely to run both together.

I was under the impression that Morningstar was going to directly support using the ML5X as 10 mono loops?

 

[Quatschmacher]

I was under the impression that Morningstar was going to directly support using the ML5X as 10 mono loops?

Each half of a stereo loop can be used as a mono loop.

I was talking about running a small chain of SA pedals in a single loop.

 

[GMC]

Each half of a stereo loop can be used as a mono loop.

I was talking about running a small chain of SA pedals in a single loop.

Are the stereo loops split able in the interface menu into two distinct mono loops? If so, that's another really good feature.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Are the stereo loops split able in the interface menu into two distinct mono loops? If so, that's another really good feature.

Each half of the stereo loop is its own loop in the software. So in the menu you have Loop A Tip and Loop A Ring, etc., so you can patch any tip to any ring in any order.

We are getting quite off topic here so really ought to move this discussion elsewhere. If you want to set up a new thread…

 

[MattFoes]

It’s the new Morningstar ML5X which pairs very nicely with the MC8.

awesome!!! Is there any benefit to the ML5/5x if you’re already using the hub?

 

[Quatschmacher]

awesome!!! Is there any benefit to the ML5/5x if you’re already using the hub?

Yes - assignable pedal order per preset.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Can you give any details on what the size of the unit is?

170 x 58 x 58mm

 

[yberwaffe]

Feel free to start a new thread about this new pedal switcher.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Feel free to start a new thread about this new pedal switcher.

Here you go:
Morningstar ML5X MIDI loop switcher

 

[Turtle71]

OK, so very specific question...

I apologize if this has been addressed here already, or in another thread I didn't see.

To those using the Neuro Desktop Editor PC software, not the App.

Have any of you done the upgrade to Windows 11 yet? If so, did the SA software still function correctly?

I'm currently using Win 10, and aside from the occasional "program not responding" glitch, the SA software has been pretty good.

I'd really like to upgrade to Win 11, but not if it means I'll lose this software.

I've got a similar email into Boss/Roland regarding my MS-3 editor software too, haven't heard back yet.

***Edit: So, it looks like Boss is evaluating Win 11 functionality, and they suggest you stay with Win 10 until they've finished product verification...My MS-3 is one of the products that's listed as "under testing"...we'll see how long the "testing" takes I guess.

 

[GMC]

OK, so very specific question...

I apologize if this has been addressed here already, or in another thread I didn't see.

To those using the Neuro Desktop Editor PC software, not the App.

Have any of you done the upgrade to Windows 11 yet? If so, did the SA software still function correctly?

I'm currently using Win 10, and aside from the occasional "program not responding" glitch, the SA software has been pretty good.

I'd really like to upgrade to Win 11, but not if it means I'll lose this software.

I've got a similar email into Boss/Roland regarding my MS-3 editor software too, haven't heard back yet.

***Edit: So, it looks like Boss is evaluating Win 11 functionality, and they suggest you stay with Win 10 until they've finished product verification...My MS-3 is one of the products that's listed as "under testing"...we'll see how long the "testing" takes I guess.

To be frank...Win 11 is so new and so poorly thought out, there will be little commercial uptake...win 10 will be industry standard for many years to come. Win 11 will be ignored by corporate buyers as Windows 11 Beta until at least 2 service packs have been released. Personally, I wouldn't put any new Microsoft Operating System on any of my machines until they have sorted out their TPM and automatic updates on older CPU's. Until these things are resolved, it's fair to say that Win 11 will be a very uncommon / rare operating system in the world. Most corporate users are not considering upgrading due to the CPU compatibility issues.

 

[Turtle71]

To be frank...Win 11 is so new and so poorly thought out, there will be little commercial uptake...win 10 will be industry standard for many years to come. Win 11 will be ignored by corporate buyers as Windows 11 Beta until at least 2 service packs have been released. Personally, I wouldn't put any new Microsoft Operating System on any of my machines until they have sorted out their TPM and automatic updates on older CPU's. Until these things are resolved, it's fair to say that Win 11 will be a very uncommon / rare operating system in the world. Most corporate users are not considering upgrading due to the CPU compatibility issues.

Yeah, I didn't figure it would be widely used yet, I spoke with the IT team here at work, and they kinda echoed your sentiment, they have no intention of doing anything with Win 11 at the moment, especially considering it would be across 500+ machines.

They said they would maybe revisit it late next year....I was kinda hoping they would install it here at work, so I could mess around with the Neuro stuff, without actually screwing up my home install.

 

[GMC]

Yeah, I didn't figure it would be widely used yet, I spoke with the IT team here at work, and they kinda echoed your sentiment, they have no intention of doing anything with Win 11 at the moment, especially considering it would be across 500+ machines.

They said they would maybe revisit it late next year....I was kinda hoping they would install it here at work, so I could mess around with the Neuro stuff, without actually screwing up my home install.

The issue is that MS have enabled on chip TPM and the automatic updates only work with CPU's that are 18 months old or newer (ie the latest generation...when a lot of the older i7 cores are more than capable). So any corporation that intends a Win 11 roll out will have a pretty expensive hardware upgrade cost with no prospects of reusing / recycling their current hardware. It's really obvious that MS took market direction from Intel...without thinking about their current customer's wishes. This effectively put Win11 on the back burner for most corporations. Until MS offering and expensive Win 11 Pro SP2 version that bypasses these issues. Until then, the Win 11 market uptake will effectively be few enthusiastic domestic users with their home editions.
As you may know, like Star Trek films...the odd numbers are usually considered lemons (Millennium, Vista, Win 7...and 8....now 11). Star trek 3,5,Generations, Insurrection...the list goes on.

 

[Adamixoye]

I'm not a big Trek fan but I liked Generations, don't @ me.

 

[LowWay]

The issue is that MS have enabled on chip TPM and the automatic updates only work with CPU's that are 18 months old or newer (ie the latest generation...when a lot of the older i7 cores are more than capable). So any corporation that intends a Win 11 roll out will have a pretty expensive hardware upgrade cost with no prospects of reusing / recycling their current hardware. It's really obvious that MS took market direction from Intel...without thinking about their current customer's wishes. This effectively put Win11 on the back burner for most corporations. Until MS offering and expensive Win 11 Pro SP2 version that bypasses these issues. Until then, the Win 11 market uptake will effectively be few enthusiastic domestic users with their home editions.
As you may know, like Star Trek films...the odd numbers are usually considered lemons (Millennium, Vista, Win 7...and 8....now 11). Star trek 3,5,Generations, Insurrection...the list goes on.

I think that seems off, the good windows releases for me were XP, 7, 10. The rest were dogs.

 

[AxelF]

I'm using the DMC micro to control the Neuro Hub linked to C4, Aftershock and Ultrawave, and previously used it to directly control the C4. I'm getting a slight degree of latency when changing patches - nothing drastic but enough that I have to try and preempt when to switch about half a second ahead of the beat, rather than pressing the pedal on the beat. I was getting the same when it was direct to the C4 too.

Am I doing something wrong, or is there a setting I need to change somewhere, or is it just a case of 'learn to live with it?' Don't get me wrong - for the power and flexibility this setup provides its absolutely not a disaster, more of a 'it would be nicer if it wasn't there!'

 

[bassness]

I think that seems off, the good windows releases for me were XP, 7, 10. The rest were dogs.

You are correct. I work 3rd level IT support at a very large aerospace firm. I've rolled out Windows versions all the way back to NT. It seems that every other release as in XP good, Vista meh, 7 good, 8 bad, and 10 good is for whatever reason how Windows releases go. Also, as stated above, large companies such as ours wait at least 2 years after a new version is released before developing an image to deployed on the company machines.

 

[GMC]

I'm using the DMC micro to control the Neuro Hub linked to C4, Aftershock and Ultrawave, and previously used it to directly control the C4. I'm getting a slight degree of latency when changing patches - nothing drastic but enough that I have to try and preempt when to switch about half a second ahead of the beat, rather than pressing the pedal on the beat. I was getting the same when it was direct to the C4 too.

Am I doing something wrong, or is there a setting I need to change somewhere, or is it just a case of 'learn to live with it?' Don't get me wrong - for the power and flexibility this setup provides its absolutely not a disaster, more of a 'it would be nicer if it wasn't there!'

it's not a specific Source Audio or C4 issue, you will see patch change latency with most powerful digital pedals. I see the same situation for Strymon, Eventide, EHX. Unlooping a pedal with a looper / switcher...that's fast and can be done during a song without any latency risk. Changing patches mid song...that's more tricky and I tend to change patches between songs only. That's the physics of digital pedals. Hey...still quicker than a manual dial in across 18 analogue pedals.

 

[GMC]

I think that seems off, the good windows releases for me were XP, 7, 10. The rest were dogs.

All three were awful at release, XP and 7 and had very limited driver support until SP2. Win XP was perceived to be Win 95 mkII and became very popular, but that took time and at it's release there was limited driver support and very few programs supported the larger memory capabilities. Win 8 was dire until 8.2 came along (which effectively was an whole new OS..and brought back the Start Bar). A lot of corporations hung on to Win 7 until Win 8.2 came along. Win 10 took several generations to get right, it's been around so long that it's become very common and well supported, it's probably the most common OS on the planet. The early builds (1803 & 1809) are so old now they are no longer supported by MS. Vista was very buggy throughout it's life, however the 64bit version (that no one bought) was pretty stable and was the foundation that Win 7 sat on, effectively Win 7 beta. Everyone's experiences with MS OS's are slightly different depending on when in it's life cycle one came into contact with them.
Personally, I wouldn't touch any new Microsoft OS until a major update...usually SP2 or 3. not unless I as putting it on a device, just to play with and learn where MS has moved all the admin functions too...or what hideous new UAC nightmare they have created to frustrate the hell out of admins.

 

[ArtechnikA]

...Personally, I wouldn't touch any new Microsoft OS until a major update...usually SP2 or 3. not unless I as putting it on a device, just to play with and learn where MS has moved all the admin functions too...or what hideous new UAC nightmare they have created to frustrate the hell out of admins.

I'm with you there. But I live in fear that MS will try to deploy W11 with some kind of dark-of-night push update and we'll all be - ah - inconvenienced... At least one of my boxes has an ancient Linux dual-boot setup (PITA during multiple-restart updates...) so I can at least have a hope of getting out to find fixes. That's an 8-core AMD box so I have no thought that W11 will run there...