Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[LSMFT6]

Fingers crossed for a dedicated limiter mode on the face of the pedal.

 

[GMC]

I expect digital with lots of options. I’m hoping for plenty of sidechain filtering options, and being able to set different compressor models in a dual band setup.

Who knows, maybe it’ll have the EQ section from the Ultrawave too? Maybe it’ll have 10 different compressor engine models to choose from? Maybe it’s a multi channel multi band compressor. With Source Audio, the extra features drive the extra interest!

 

[Derek Williams]

Who knows, maybe it’ll have the EQ section from the Ultrawave too? Maybe it’ll have 10 different compressor engine models to choose from? Maybe it’s a multi channel multi band compressor. With Source Audio, the extra features drive the extra interest!

Im perfectly happy with my current compressors, but I’ll happily buy a Source Audio one that has way too many things to fiddle with.

 

[Mr. voodoobass]

I can’t see how I could possibly need a better compressor than what’s already in the UW, including the eq. So quite interesting to see how they will top that

 

[yberwaffe]

Proper MIDI connectors (3,5mm is fine) and implementation instead of the rather outdated backward compability stuff with the hub is most welcome here.

 

[Derek Williams]

Proper MIDI connectors (3,5mm is fine) and implementation instead of the rather outdated backward compability stuff with the hub is most welcome here.

From the partial photos we have seen so far, I don’t think we are going to get that. It would be great if EQ2 style (or 3.5mm MIDI in/out) became the Source Audio standard for new One Series pedals.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Proper MIDI connectors (3,5mm is fine) and implementation instead of the rather outdated backward compability stuff with the hub is most welcome here.

Maybe this isn’t the one for you then.

 

[Quatschmacher]

I don’t really get the hatred of the Hub; I still think it was (and is) a forward-thinking idea. How many other multiple-individual-pedal systems allow the quick storing of presets? With other systems, for the most part, one has to spend ages programming messages to recall presets on individual devices and, if one needs to make a subtle change and store it, forget about it.

I feel that the best-of-both-worlds approach of having the pedal presets be accessible but the Hub storing the actual current settings across all devices is great as often a preset needs modifying when being used in conjunction with other pedals, but one might not want to permanently alter the original preset. (Sadly this has been scuppered by the Ultrawave’s having too many parameters for the Hub to recall.) This is kind of how this stuff works in my bi-timbral synths - in a multi patch, one loads from the original preset but then any modifications to either preset are stored as a separate “multi” preset. I wonder if in future, the SA pedals could function a bit like this with all “Hub” activity being handled by one pedal in the group acting as a master to the others. @rsmith601, might something like that work? Basically having any one pedal be able to function as a pseudo Hub when multiple pedals are linked (though they’d need to be hooked up by MIDI or something).

 

[Derek Williams]

I don’t really get the hatred of the Hub; I still think it was (and is) a forward-thinking idea. How many other multiple-individual-pedal systems allow the quick storing of presets? With other systems, for the most part, one has to spend ages programming messages to recall presets on individual devices and, if one needs to make a subtle change and store it, forget about it.

I feel that the best-of-both-worlds approach of having the pedal presets be accessible but the Hub storing the actual current settings across all devices is great as often a preset needs modifying when being used in conjunction with other pedals, but one might not want to permanently alter the original preset. (Sadly this has been scuppered by the Ultrawave’s having too many parameters for the Hub to recall.) This is kind of how this stuff works in my bi-timbral synths - in a multi patch, one loads from the original preset but then any modifications to either preset are stored as a separate “multi” preset. I wonder if in future, the SA pedals could function a bit like this with all “Hub” activity being handled by one pedal in the group acting as a master to the others. @rsmith601, might something like that work? Basically having any one pedal be able to function as a pseudo Hub when multiple pedals are linked (though they’d need to be hooked up by MIDI or something).

I don't mind it on a pedal board, and I really like being able to create scenes with multiple pedals, but at the moment I'm not using a board and just using random pedals on my desk. When MIDI is required I have CME WIDI adapters to avoid running MIDI cables everywhere. The Hub is inconvenient to use like this due to the extra device I need to power and the Hub also doesn't provide power (or not enough power) on it's MIDI output so I can't easily use CME WIDI with it.

It's not going to stop me from making a purchase, especially since I can get by just plugging it into USB when I want to use more than the 3 (6?) presets available without MIDI.

 

[Poobini]

I know plenty of people have been pining for a compressor (and I'll still likely buy it), but my excitement is definitely at the low end of things right now... until demos come out and I inevitably get super hyped for it. Cautiously optimistic is probably the way to describe how I feel about the "reveal"

 

[Discount Bassy]

I have SA pedals, hubs and a Soleman. I am happy with the sound that I can coax from the pedals through the editor and love that there is a library online to draw from for inspiration. I would like some sort of interface that can be used on the fly, mebbe touch screen or similar. I looked at the Helix rack model when it came out and liked the idea that the display was closer to eye level, but not so much the rest of the business. I like that the SA pedals effectively create a modular system, adding effect engines to the mix as the player sees fit and leaving routing of things to the user. Maybe what I am really pining for is a software interface that ties all of the pieces of the SA puzzle together for me in a way that can be accessed as part of the show. I would not be surprised if such a thing is already available.

 

[Adamixoye]

I don’t really get the hatred of the Hub; I still think it was (and is) a forward-thinking idea. How many other multiple-individual-pedal systems allow the quick storing of presets? With other systems, for the most part, one has to spend ages programming messages to recall presets on individual devices and, if one needs to make a subtle change and store it, forget about it.

I feel that the best-of-both-worlds approach of having the pedal presets be accessible but the Hub storing the actual current settings across all devices is great as often a preset needs modifying when being used in conjunction with other pedals, but one might not want to permanently alter the original preset. (Sadly this has been scuppered by the Ultrawave’s having too many parameters for the Hub to recall.) This is kind of how this stuff works in my bi-timbral synths - in a multi patch, one loads from the original preset but then any modifications to either preset are stored as a separate “multi” preset. I wonder if in future, the SA pedals could function a bit like this with all “Hub” activity being handled by one pedal in the group acting as a master to the others. @rsmith601, might something like that work? Basically having any one pedal be able to function as a pseudo Hub when multiple pedals are linked (though they’d need to be hooked up by MIDI or something).

It's an extra cost to "unlock" SA pedals, ties you to doing things a certain way with your MIDI setup, and many of us had well-documented issues with the firmware (some of which were eventually corrected, others I'm not so sure).

Not to say it doesn't have its benefits, but it shouldn't be too hard to understand the downsides...

 

[Hendricks97]

I don’t really get the hatred of the Hub; I still think it was (and is) a forward-thinking idea. How many other multiple-individual-pedal systems allow the quick storing of presets? With other systems, for the most part, one has to spend ages programming messages to recall presets on individual devices and, if one needs to make a subtle change and store it, forget about it.

I feel that the best-of-both-worlds approach of having the pedal presets be accessible but the Hub storing the actual current settings across all devices is great as often a preset needs modifying when being used in conjunction with other pedals, but one might not want to permanently alter the original preset. (Sadly this has been scuppered by the Ultrawave’s having too many parameters for the Hub to recall.) This is kind of how this stuff works in my bi-timbral synths - in a multi patch, one loads from the original preset but then any modifications to either preset are stored as a separate “multi” preset. I wonder if in future, the SA pedals could function a bit like this with all “Hub” activity being handled by one pedal in the group acting as a master to the others. @rsmith601, might something like that work? Basically having any one pedal be able to function as a pseudo Hub when multiple pedals are linked (though they’d need to be hooked up by MIDI or something).

I only use the hub to switch presets and I didn’t realize I needed it until after I bought my C4 so it was a fairly large expense that was unknown. That was my only issue with it

 

[essarache90]

Hello, Sorcerers - hoping someone can be of help to a midi noob.

I am soon adding a c4 and collider to my small board. It will consist of:

• Aguilar Tonehammer preamp/di pedal
• SA C4 Synth
• SA Collider delay+reverb
• TC Ditto looper
• Tuner

I've been reading and trying to wrap my head around the SA neuro hub & SA soleman midi controller but I'm not sure if that is complete overkill.

Really, I'm just trying to understand how I can use midi to get the most out of the setup. What can it do? What can it not do? What would I need to purchase to get the most out of my setup?

I'm brand new to SA and midi pedals in general, so apologies in advanced if this question is too general or doesn't make sense. If there are any articles or videos you'd recommend to learn more I'd appreciate it.

thanks!

 

[Poobini]

Hello, Sorcerers - hoping someone can be of help to a midi noob.

I am soon adding a c4 and collider to my small board. It will consist of:

• Aguilar Tonehammer preamp/di pedal
• SA C4 Synth
• SA Collider delay+reverb
• TC Ditto looper
• Tuner

I've been reading and trying to wrap my head around the SA neuro hub & SA soleman midi controller but I'm not sure if that is complete overkill.

Really, I'm just trying to understand how I can use midi to get the most out of the setup. What can it do? What can it not do? What would I need to purchase to get the most out of my setup?

I'm brand new to SA and midi pedals in general, so apologies in advanced if this question is too general or doesn't make sense. If there are any articles or videos you'd recommend to learn more I'd appreciate it.

thanks!

If you're Just using the Collider and the C4, I don't think you need the Hub or Soleman specifically - the Collider has 5-pin I/O, and the C4 can do MIDI over USB. Of course, if you want to expand down the line the Hub doesn't hurt...
I'm sure someone else can chime in more effectively - I don't have the Collider and I certainly haven't attempted MIDI over USB for the C4 My uses for my Hub are basic, too, just simple preset switching.

 

[sunbeast]

Hello, Sorcerers - hoping someone can be of help to a midi noob.

I am soon adding a c4 and collider to my small board. It will consist of:

• Aguilar Tonehammer preamp/di pedal
• SA C4 Synth
• SA Collider delay+reverb
• TC Ditto looper
• Tuner

I've been reading and trying to wrap my head around the SA neuro hub & SA soleman midi controller but I'm not sure if that is complete overkill.

Really, I'm just trying to understand how I can use midi to get the most out of the setup. What can it do? What can it not do? What would I need to purchase to get the most out of my setup?

I'm brand new to SA and midi pedals in general, so apologies in advanced if this question is too general or doesn't make sense. If there are any articles or videos you'd recommend to learn more I'd appreciate it.

thanks!

The easiest path to control both of those SA pedal’s simple MIDI functions (like preset switching) is to get a Disaster Area MIDI controller like the DMC Micro or Micro Pro (or one of the larger Gen3 DMC MIDI controllers if you want more footswitches to work with, which I would personally recommend for ease of use in a live environment). The Collider has a standard DIN MIDI jack, but the C4 can only receive MIDI control through a USB Host device (which all the gen3 DMC/Disaster Area devices have) or via the control jack (which only a recent DMC- apparently- or an SA Neuro Hub box can access). So the C4 limits the controllers you can use unless you also add something like a Neuro Hub as a “translator” of sorts. The SA Soleman would still require a Neuro Hub to control the C4, while a DMC controller could do everything in one box. So the DMC controllers are the easiest answer at the moment

 

[voodoobassist]

anyone have a clue as to why my C4 has suddenly stopped responding to midipad pro via usb from my phone or ipad? I've been using it this way for over a year. Had some communication problems early on, but now, it's completely stopped responding. I did a firmware update recently on the C4, so thinking I missed resetting something that allows them to communicate? Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

 

[Quatschmacher]

anyone have a clue as to why my C4 has suddenly stopped responding to midipad pro via usb from my phone or ipad? I've been using it this way for over a year. Had some communication problems early on, but now, it's completely stopped responding. I did a firmware update recently on the C4, so thinking I missed resetting something that allows them to communicate? Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Has the MIDI channel reset to 1?

 

[voodoobassist]

Has the MIDI channel reset to 1?

yes

 

[Quatschmacher]

yes

So is that the cause of the communication problem? i.e. is your controller communicating on a different channel?