Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[gustobassman]

Yeah so it sounds like you are using "Device Mode" for each pedal to scroll through its internal presets. If you want to scroll through presets in that mode with a default "engage" or "disengage" message sent on each scroll I believe you have to do it the way I mentioned in my first reply (unless using the Hub somehow changes this functionality)- holding down the left button of the DMC (I assume), which will change the default bypass mode (and you should see a dot on the DMC screen go away). He actually goes through this around 8:30 on the above video.

"Preset Mode" on the DMC means creating presets within the DMC where you can send messages to all the pedals connected at once, with both the internal preset for each pedal you want and the bypass state of each pedal- maybe when using the Hub it makes more sense to use the Hub for this purpose though?

Good points, I'm still a newbie at this so right now just being able to scroll through each pedal is enough, I really haven't gone any deeper than that. Like I said I was only using the Micro for scrolling the C4 presets before this afternoon. I have a gig tomorrow night, gonna keep it simple for now, lessen my chance for error and keep the BL stinkeye to a minimum, lol.

 

[gustobassman]

Alright! I got some scenes saved to the Micro but not the Hub yet. I'm obviously making a simple mistake somewhere, but this is really cool so far. @sunbeast was correct, this way is much better than scrolling and stomping, lol.

 

[Ewo]

I am curious to double-back and check the behavior on my Ultrawave, but it's less of a concern there seeing that it's whole purpose is to create noise (cool noise).

I spent a little time making some patches on the Ultra, and setting the noise gate to zero turned it off entirely. When I raised the level and dragged my fingers across the strings, it opened smoothly.

 

[Gibs210]

So @Gibs210 if I've made a backup of my pedal how do I do a system wipe and restore?

Once the pedal is backed up on your computer, just do a factory reset on the pedal, should set everything back to original.

 

[Adamixoye]

Once the pedal is backed up on your computer, just do a factory reset on the pedal, should set everything back to original.

Is the factory something that can be done in the editor, or is it some sort of sequence of buttons that you do on the pedal? Sorry if this is a dumb question, I haven't seen the instructions anywhere.

 

[daveX99]

Is the factory something that can be done in the editor, or is it some sort of sequence of buttons that you do on the pedal? Sorry if this is a dumb question, I haven't seen the instructions anywhere.

Here's a link to the Source Audio website - they have a page w/ links to all their manuals:
usermanuals

Each pedal is a little different, but the few I checked have methods (plural!) for doing a factory reset via the pedal itself (powering up while holding a button or something), or the Neuro app (phone and / or desktop).

 

[Gibs210]

Is the factory something that can be done in the editor, or is it some sort of sequence of buttons that you do on the pedal? Sorry if this is a dumb question, I haven't seen the instructions anywhere.

It’s in the editor under the device tab.

 

[Gibs210]

Alright! I got some scenes saved to the Micro but not the Hub yet. I'm obviously making a simple mistake somewhere, but this is really cool so far. @sunbeast was correct, this way is much better than scrolling and stomping, lol.

To be clear, the idea with the micro is more for navigating presets on individual pedals without connecting to the desktop editor. The hub can save all the settings on itself, including on/off state of the pedals and then recalled with a single PC message to the hub. So basically you’d just use the device scroll bank for the hub, or in P mode, select the hub scene you want, and use the “N.C.” Option for all other devices when saving P mode set lists.

 

[Adamixoye]

Here's a link to the Source Audio website - they have a page w/ links to all their manuals:
usermanuals

Each pedal is a little different, but the few I checked have methods (plural!) for doing a factory reset via the pedal itself (powering up while holding a button or something), or the Neuro app (phone and / or desktop).

It’s in the editor under the device tab.

Ok, thanks guys

 

[nnnnnn]

Thought you all would be interested that we are working on a simple and small MIDI adapter for all One Series pedals. It's self powered and really more of a dongle than a box. Not sure on the timing just yet.

I am definitely interested given I only have one Source Audio pedal, the C4, so the Neuro Hub seems like overkill. (And while I'm thinking of getting an EQ2, of course it already has standard MIDI jacks built in).

I'm curious though, why the C4's control jack can't accept TRS MIDI in directly, similar to, say, the Boss 200 series pedals? Or why that can't be implemented via firmware update, anyway, given the control port already handles TRS for expression input.

 

[Gibs210]

I am definitely interested given I only have one Source Audio pedal, the C4, so the Neuro Hub seems like overkill. (And while I'm thinking of getting an EQ2, of course it already has standard MIDI jacks built in).

I'm curious though, why the C4's control jack can't accept TRS MIDI in directly, similar to, say, the Boss 200 series pedals? Or why that can't be implemented via firmware update, anyway, given the control port already handles TRS for expression input.

The TRRS port is not midi compliant, it lacks the isolation needed for the midi standard. That said, we’re working on an adapter to allow for direct midi control via the TRRS port for the one series pedals without a midi din port.

 

[rsmith601]

I am definitely interested given I only have one Source Audio pedal, the C4, so the Neuro Hub seems like overkill. (And while I'm thinking of getting an EQ2, of course it already has standard MIDI jacks built in).

I'm curious though, why the C4's control jack can't accept TRS MIDI in directly, similar to, say, the Boss 200 series pedals? Or why that can't be implemented via firmware update, anyway, given the control port already handles TRS for expression input.

That port started out as an all analog Hot Hand sensor connector. Power, ground, x axis, y axis. It still supports that. Then we added digital connection for support of Hot Hand 3. Then we created the Neuro Hub for bidirectional communication and MIDI and the port makes that connection too. Then we added support for 3rd party expression pedals. That is one crazy complicated and busy port. But, it doesn't have isolation, as noted. The adapter fixes that limitation.

 

[nnnnnn]

The TRRS port is not midi compliant, it lacks the isolation needed for the midi standard.

But, it doesn't have isolation, as noted. The adapter fixes that limitation.

Wow, those were fast responses, thanks. Isn't it late at night in your timezone?

 

[TheBass]

I bought a C4 a week ago and am relatively new to the Source Audio community. First of all I wanted to get the bass synth sound on Chaka Khan's 'Ain't nobody'. However, I am completely overwhelmed by the endless possibilities of the C4. I'm probably not the first to ask this, but can anyone recommend a suitable setup for this?

Thanks.

 

[bassbrad]

I bought a C4 a week ago and am relatively new to the Source Audio community. First of all I wanted to get the bass synth sound on Chaka Khan's 'Ain't nobody'. However, I am completely overwhelmed by the endless possibilities of the C4. I'm probably not the first to ask this, but can anyone recommend a suitable setup for this?

Thanks.

Welcome to the group, if you search the Neuro Cloud there is a Spectrum sound that is spot on by user flaccy titled 'aint noboidy'. The C4 can run all Spectrum sounds.

 

[Quatschmacher]

I bought a C4 a week ago and am relatively new to the Source Audio community. First of all I wanted to get the bass synth sound on Chaka Khan's 'Ain't nobody'. However, I am completely overwhelmed by the endless possibilities of the C4. I'm probably not the first to ask this, but can anyone recommend a suitable setup for this?

Thanks.

This one is a fairly easy sound that’s sadly not possible on the C4 as there’s no way to adjust pulse width on the square waves and this sound was made using a medium-narrow pulse.

 

[rsmith601]

Wow, those were fast responses, thanks. Isn't it late at night in your timezone?

Yes it was late and now it's early. On a weekend.

 

[rsmith601]

I bought a C4 a week ago and am relatively new to the Source Audio community. First of all I wanted to get the bass synth sound on Chaka Khan's 'Ain't nobody'. However, I am completely overwhelmed by the endless possibilities of the C4. I'm probably not the first to ask this, but can anyone recommend a suitable setup for this?

Thanks.

There are at least 3 community presets referencing that sound. All with quite a few likes. Here they are: Neuro Community by Source Audio

 

[Laklandfan]

I’ve never owned a source audio product but I’ve very interested in trying them out. There’s a lot pages on TB and hard to search for this specific question, but for the Nuero hub and the midi controller, are they usable with other brand of pedals or only with source audio? Do users mix and match brands or go completely SA on their boards?

 

[GMC]

I’ve never owned a source audio product but I’ve very interested in trying them out. There’s a lot pages on TB and hard to search for this specific question, but for the Nuero hub and the midi controller, are they usable with other brand of pedals or only with source audio? Do users mix and match brands or go completely SA on their boards?

I currently use a Boss ES-5 as my midi controller. I have mostly Source Audio pedals, but also have a pair of Eventide H9’s and a EHX Hog2. The Neuro hub is a great way of controlling up to 5 SA pedals. Some older SA pedals only have 6 patches and can’t be called up via midi, so the hub is essential for those. You set up the hub’s internal patches (called scenes) and call them up via midi. Newer pedals have 128 patches and can be called up by midi, the hub acts as a midi interpreter.
The larger SA pedals (nemesis, collider, Ventris) and the smaller EQ2 have 5 pin midi ports, these don’t need a hub for midi.
I find that SA gear plays really well with most midi compatible gear. Some SA pedals can do midi PC change but most respond to CC to change patch (103 & 104 are the most common). For most newer SA pedals, the midi map is extensive and really well thought out. The only brand I’ve had trouble with is Strymon. But that’s Strymon’s midi issues. No one else’s. Great pedals, but you have to double the patch number for a midi recall and add a LSB setting. Very weird and a bit of an unnecessary brain strain.