...and what I meant by that is that in the previous scene the c4 is set to off. Maybe it's a pedal setting checking now.
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Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3
- Thread starter gregmon79
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Your other scenes with the C4 bypassed probably have something misconfigured. Ensure the C4 is set to the correct channel, or try removing and adding again.
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OK Sorcerers, school me...
While not a complete pedal newbie, I'm far from a superuser. I find settings that I like and use them.
I have a C4 that I use the heck out of, with a DMC Micro to easily move from preset to preset.
I currently have a reverb and a delay, and I pretty much use one sound from each of them.
I'm considering swapping them for a Collider. I expect that I'll mostly find and use one reverb and one delay sound from that, e.g. I won't be switching between a lot of presets.
As I understand it, the "raw" Collider allows me to do that easily - one button for delay, one for reverb.
What, if anything, would I gain from replacing the DMC Micro with a Soleman and using it to control both the C4 and the Collider?
While not a complete pedal newbie, I'm far from a superuser. I find settings that I like and use them.
I have a C4 that I use the heck out of, with a DMC Micro to easily move from preset to preset.
I currently have a reverb and a delay, and I pretty much use one sound from each of them.
I'm considering swapping them for a Collider. I expect that I'll mostly find and use one reverb and one delay sound from that, e.g. I won't be switching between a lot of presets.
As I understand it, the "raw" Collider allows me to do that easily - one button for delay, one for reverb.
What, if anything, would I gain from replacing the DMC Micro with a Soleman and using it to control both the C4 and the Collider?
Gibs210
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You would need the new midi adapter, c4 is not compatible with the soleman over din midi, and the usb part of the soleman is unable to act as a usb host.
I was thinking about moving to the Soleman myself, but after doing a lot of research, i think you lose a little functionality without the Micro. I can control the C4, UW and Collider independently or as "scenes" with mine. I dont think thats possible with the Soleman.
Regarding the Collider, I thought I would only use maybe one or two of the verbs or delays, but there are a ton of killer presets on the community - you will more than likely find more than one or two you like. The Collider really expands on the palette provided by the C4 and UW.. IMO, IME, YMMV, etc..
Just take a look at my mess.. the cheat sheets get me through 4 bands.
All the pedals should be set to the same channel yes? From what I've read it really doesn't clarify this...there's probably some MIDI fundamentals I'm missing here..
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Wait, you can control both the Collider and the C4 with a single DMC Micro? Can you point me to guidance or PM me? Thank you!
They should be on different channels if you want to use MIDI, but I'm not 100% sure if that is a requirement to making the Neuro Hub work properly.
let me see if i can describe this... I'm not super versed in MIDI terminology - the SA and Disaster Area Support has been fantastic, but you can control up to 4 devices with the Micro. I recommend watching some of the setup vids on the DA page. I have the older one, not the Pro. I use the P mode as my "scenes", I use the A bank for the Hub. From my understanding, the Hub has to be one of the 4 devices if you plan on being able to make this all work (this "A" bank is for Hub scenes in my case, as well as P mode - kinda like a second set of "scenes"). The B bank is for the C4, C bank for the UW and the D bank is for the Collider.
When in P mode, to get to the different banks, you hold down the Right footswitch to switch the bank, scroll up or down as needed to get to your preset. WHen you find your preset, if you hold down the left footswitch the red light will turn on or off. This means the pedal is engaged or not when you swap to that preset. Then you need to hold down the right foot switch as it switches through how ever many banks you are using (A,B,C, and/or D) to get back to P mode. Hold the Left button to save the "scene". The Disaster Area webpage has an editor you can use as well. Kinda like the Neuro app but for the Micro. The firmware update allowed for characters as well so I have short abbreviations for each preset in the P mode instead of numbers. However the banks just use numbers, thats why i have cheat sheets.
Someone will proabably be able to explain this a heck of a lot better than I can.. I just know I really like this system for what I need to get done.
EDIT: you do need to make some CC changes to the Collider midi map to have both the reverb and delay "off" when swapping presets. I found this out recently and had the SA support walk me through it. Otherwise just one side turns off between presets. I prefer them both off when swapping presets so I can add verb/delay as needed.
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let me try getting each pedal to different midi channels to see if that makes a difference.
Gibs210
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It’s not required, but I’d the current channel of each pedal does not match what is saved to the scenes, the pedal will not listen to messages sent to the hub for that scene.
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Gibs210
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C4 through the usb host/multi jack method, collider through the 5 pin midi din jack. Set c4 to one scroll bank and collider to another (you’ll need to have them on separate midi channels).
There it is.. I knew someone had a vid about it, but i didnt bookmark it. You do a much better job describing the process than i do. Thank you for making that video!
How do I check what channel was saved in the scene? I tried looking at the hub but I'm not seeing each saved scene..
Gibs210
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You have to open each scene and check them individually against the channel that is shown in the connections tab. Make sure they’re the same, if not, change and re-save the scene.
I think you may have a semantic misunderstanding;
From SA:
- Scene Mode—Scroll through all of the Soleman’s 128 Scenes in order with the onboard foot switches.
- List Mode—Arrange Scenes in any order and step through them in sequence. The Soleman stores up to 64 Lists, each containing up to 90 scenes.
- Panel Mode—Store up to 64 “Panels.” Within each panel, assign specific functions to each of the four footswitches like Program Change, Continuous Controller, and Note On/Off messages. Or assign multiple commands to a single footswitch with macro messages.
The LIST mode is used to create 64 "custom" lists each of as many as 90 of your own scenes for set lists or live access by song performance. Or PANEL mode assigning functions to specific foot switches as discribed above for more involved midi messaging.
I have the NeuroHub and Soleman, and no other MIDI impedimenta needing workaround or additional efforts, to get scenes built with (5) One Step pedals and stored for recall. If I had more need of midi control, it seems like just warming up to a Soleman Midi Footcontroller could really cut down on the involved headaches that seem problematic to me?
YMMV
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