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Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

Speaking of priorities and strategy....

I have had the Source Audio C4 for a couple of weeks and a Disaster Area Designs DMC.micro PRO is arriving later today. I'm using the app on my tablet pc and have been downloading, tweaking and loading it up with presets-a-plenty - it's a blast!

What might be smart to add to the setup to maximize the C4 and complement it? I like the SA ecosystem that offers the community downloads/uploads, PC editor, etc!

Expression Pedal?
Other SA pedals?

It's wide open to how you wish to use the C4? Assume the C4 is the only SA pedal you currently have?
I would say 2 weeks is early days with the C4 potential, in terms of exploring the range of types of sounds and how tweaking the parameters affects the behaviour /character of the particular synth 'mode'.

I just have an SA expression pedal and an ultrawave. But I have other non SA pedals - reverb, delay, eq & comp, plus a Boss GT-1B processor. I don't know what other pedals you have?
The expression pedal is certainly worth considering, as so many functions can be assigned to it . You then have foot control, to tweak things on the go. It helped me initially, to get to understand how sounds can be manipulated - no stopping playing to turn a control knob or adjust software. Later I could enjoy swelling in the level of the assigned parameters, so the synth soubd coukd be more 'fluid' /interesting.

But as I said, depends what C4 sounds you want to utilise. It helped me to classify C4 presets into groups like pads, sub, envelopes, octaves, sequences, saw, & square leads, quirky, etc
You can consider what extra pedals might benefit those sounds, whether its compression, delay, EQ, etc.

Again, I dont know what you already have or your level of knowledge of effects.

A bigger step is getting into the midi control over multiple SA pedals, to link them for patches. Thats not something I've done yet, still considering how best it would work for what I'd want to do.

But plenty of guys here brimming with expertise on that area.

Keep enjoying the C4!
 
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Thanks for getting back to me. The C4 is a blast for private practice, but I would like to set up a number of patches to provide a more produced bass sound across a set list of dive bar and beer tent/festival rock and click through those with the DMC Micro Pro.

This is the only pedal i'm using at the moment and question is would the SA expression pedal and Altas compressor be recommended next steps?
 
Thanks for getting back to me. The C4 is a blast for private practice, but I would like to set up a number of patches to provide a more produced bass sound across a set list of dive bar and beer tent/festival rock and click through those with the DMC Micro Pro.

This is the only pedal i'm using at the moment and question is would the SA expression pedal and Altas compressor be recommended next steps?
Either Atlas or Aftershock. The Ultrawave is another option.
Aftershock: standard bass overdrives and distortion
Ultrawave: some standard distortions, but more sputtery fuzz things than you can't get from Aftershock. Has a really good internal compressor.

Some others should comment on this.
 
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Thanks for getting back to me. The C4 is a blast for private practice, but I would like to set up a number of patches to provide a more produced bass sound across a set list of dive bar and beer tent/festival rock and click through those with the DMC Micro Pro.

This is the only pedal i'm using at the moment and question is would the SA expression pedal and Altas compressor be recommended next steps?
If you need a compressor the Atlas is a good one. Keep in mind that if you start running multiple SA pedals you will want to get the neuro hub to make it easier to create patches ‘scenes’ across pedals. I currently have the c4, UW, spectrum, and Atlas. Lots too learn with these pedals, but it does payoff.
 
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Much appreciated! The Neuro Hub is on the list and I'll look into the Atlas, Aftershock, Ultrawave and Spectrum for the roadmap!

Do I want an Expression Pedal sooner, or later? It sounds like that would add some more fun to the C4.

If you're investing in those various SA pedals, then yes, an expression pedal is extremely useful and increases control and flexibility to add 'flavour' to the source...... (see what i did there ?!..;))
 
Much appreciated! The Neuro Hub is on the list and I'll look into the Atlas, Aftershock, Ultrawave and Spectrum for the roadmap!

Do I want an Expression Pedal sooner, or later? It sounds like that would add some more fun to the C4.
Definitely get an expression pedal post haste. There’s some lovely things you can do with it. I programmed a lot of expression control into my patches; on many instances it morphs the patch into a completely different sound, sometimes by switching between the two processors, sometimes by radically changing three parameters simultaneously.
 
Thanks everyone for the suggestions - I have a Source Audio SA161 Dual Expression Pedal arriving tomorrow and will download a few of Quatschmacher's patches for the C4 to try it out!
Can’t remember which have it programmed but should be detailed in the patch notes.
 
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At some point I need to revisit the double bass patch; I made it using a jazz-style bass I no longer have and it doesn’t work quite as well on my P so I could do with tweaking it for that.
 
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Much appreciated! The Neuro Hub is on the list and I'll look into the Atlas, Aftershock, Ultrawave and Spectrum for the roadmap!

Do I want an Expression Pedal sooner, or later? It sounds like that would add some more fun to the C4.
Adding an expression pedal particularly to the Ultrawave and C4 is really useful. The ability to assign 3 different functions (with different directions and ranges) to the expression pedal massively boosts the pedal's versatility.
Depending on your use case scenario, less so for the Atlas and Spectrum. I tend to keep my Atlas and Spectrum application very simple.
Some of us directly connect their expression pedal to a single pedal, I do this for my EQ2. I use expression over midi, a single expression pedal connected into my ES-5. This allows me to map the expression pedal to any function (including expression) on any midi enabled / connected pedal. However the choice of what device is controlled is (generally) limited to the patch I call up on my ES-5.
One of the joys of the new Reflex II will be that any One Series connected to the Neuro Hub will be able to have a patch based approach to expression over midi. You could flick through he patches on the reflex II to choose what pedal / parameter the attached expression pedal would control. For me, this will allow me to ditch my 2nd expression pedal and use just the one single expression pedal and I can independently flick through the patches on the reflex II to choose what device I am controlling.
So what am I saying? Yes, get an expression pedal. Learn what you can do with it because when the new Reflex II comes...it'll be a game changer in terms of flexibility and expression pedal control. The use case Scenarios for a Reflex II are mind blowing and exciting....plus you might not even need a midi controller!
 
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Ooh, any chance you could share a clip, please? I don’t own a fretless any more so can’t try it myself.
Hi Quaschmacher, I've gone a bit further. In my quest for a Double bass sound this is as far as I have now got. Pretty close enough for me. I've used an Electro Acoustic bass that i built a number of years ago. It's fitted with a Highlander under saddle piezo pickup and matched preamp with Thomastic Acoustic bronze strings. I took this bass apart and I re-finished the lacquer earlier last year. Although it looks a lot like a Rob Allen it's far closer to a Rick Turner Renaissance in it's construction, playing and tone.

To me this bass pretty much sounds like an EUB. Without the size and cost. It's a 5 string and on a 34" scale.
In this clip, I've used this bass into a C4 (using your patch) > EQ2 for a bit of EQ and into a collider for a touch of Hall Reverb.



I've played a bit without at C4 patch and then dropped it in the rest of the clip.
This bass still needs a bit of adjustment of the Piezo pickup which is under the saddle. The lower strings are very quiet compared to the higher strings.
I have to really dig into the E and B strings to get the C4 to register the note and play the patch thump / slap.
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Hi Quaschmacher, I've gone a bit further. In my quest for a Double bass sound this is as far as I have now got. Pretty close enough for me. I've used an Electro Acoustic bass that i built a number of years ago. It's fitted with a Highlander under saddle piezo pickup and matched preamp with Thomastic Acoustic bronze strings. I took this bass apart and I re-finished the lacquer earlier last year. Although it looks a lot like a Rob Allen it's far closer to a Rick Turner Renaissance in it's construction, playing and tone.

To me this bass pretty much sounds like an EUB. Without the size and cost. It's a 5 string and on a 34" scale.
In this clip, I've used this bass into a C4 (using your patch) > EQ2 for a bit of EQ and into a collider for a touch of Hall Reverb.



I've played a bit without at C4 patch and then dropped it in the rest of the clip.
This bass still needs a bit of adjustment of the Piezo pickup which is under the saddle. The lower strings are very quiet compared to the higher strings.
I have to really dig into the E and B strings to get the C4 to register the note and play the patch thump / slap.
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That’s cool. Thanks for sharing. Wonder how it would sound with steel or chrome flatwounds or nylon tapewounds.
 
Hey everybody, I have a weird thing happening with my SA stuff and thought I'd check in here for some thoughts. I recently picked up an Ultrawave and added it to my board, which now consists of Reflex>Hub>C4>UW>Aftershock>Spectrum>Gemini. I had to update Neuro desktop to include the UW, as well as a couple pedal firmware updates. I'm not sure if something got changed in the updates or if I inadvertently changed something along the way, but I'm now having connection issues between the hub, the Aftershock and my midi controller, which is a One Control OC-10 with the Croc-Eye midi controller. At first I was getting a weird midi blip that was turning the AS channel 2 on and off, now my hub is not responding to PC changes from the OC-10. I've contacted SA and gotten two replies from Niko (thank you, Niko), but both have just been to re-load firmware again, which I have done to no avail. I've spent hours checking cables, routing, power supplies etc. all to no avail. I'm convinced it's a setting issue somewhere, not a hardware or software problem. So (after all that! Lol!), in the Neuro desktop app when I select a scene, there is a scene change data box with a number under each pedal in the scene. Should that number match the midi channel I have set for each pedal? I assumed yes, but it doesn't seem to work that way. I have the Reflex on ch. 1, the hub on ch. 2, pedals are all on their own numbers. 5-pin midi connects OC-10>Reflex>Hub, pedals are all connected to hub with SA TRRS control cables. I'm sending PC to the hub from OC-10 to change scenes, CCs from the Reflex to change parameters on individual pedals connected to the hub. It all worked before, now it doesn't and I'm at a loos as to why. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.

(Sorry for the long post. :eek:)
 

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