Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[joshofbass]

There is always going to be some latency with digital preset switching, but it can be minimized only if there is split processing happening (meaning the next sound is loaded already in waiting so the processor doesn't have to fully switch course into a completely new program). Having this kind of split processor scheme is something some of the expensive digital multiFX and profiling units do (like Headrush and Helix), but it requires dedicating a half of the processing power to essentially a latent task (holding the next preset already loaded and ready) so it is less common in smaller pedals with smaller processing ability (or alternatively you can use something like the "Snapshot" mode of Helix to retain your full processor power, where you are just changing settings of already loaded programs with a button press- which seems basically analogous to the morphing/channel switching in the Ultrawave). I'd guess the sheer amount of stuff happening in these Source Audio pedals adds significantly to the latency because of the amount of processing necessary (not as simple as switching a basic lo-fi digital distortion block). Even early adopters of the Neural Quad-Cortex profiler/multi-FX (one of the most processing-capable digital FX pedals around) have complained of significant latency when switching between presets rather than simply using options to stomp through different settings and blocks within an already loaded preset.

I can't tell if your sample is consistent with MIDI switching of presets on my C4, but there is no "instant" preset switching in any case.

Thanks for your detailed explanation. It makes sense. I think I can work around it now that I have both the UW and the c4. Might mean I need to get the Atlas and another c4 or spectrum too, you know, just in case.

 

[_Tay_]

Is there any way to have instant preset switching on one series pedals? On my budget old boss multi effects I could switch between multiple distortion sounds instantly yet I'm finding it impossible with my c4 and ultrawave. At first I thought it might just be my cheapo m-vave chocolate midi board but with the ultrawave I've noticed it even with the on board toggle switch.

I've added a quick and dirty recording from this morning before the coffee took effect. I'm playing straight 8th notes with no rests and switching the toggle on the ones. Going from distortion to compressor presets gets me the new sound on one but going the other way doesn't get me there until the and of one. Which is a bit late..

If this is an inherent issue with this kind of processing I'll find a way to work around it. But it doesn't seem right. If it was a normal stomp box I'd understand because no one is leaning down mid song to flip a toggle. But this pedal is midi enabled and designed to work the hub and soleman etc. A modular multifx so to speak. But my real multifx switch on time.

What am I doing wrong here?

With the ultrawave I get that I can do the morphing and channel switching stuff but I'm not sure if that works in going from a clean compressed sound then to a distortion with different compression settings.

With the c4 it feels worse because I might want to go from a harmonized melodic line to a distorted octave sound and back again but the delay makes it difficult to switch cleanly. Am I supposed to end all my lines before the 'and of four' so I can let the pedals get ready in time for the one?

I love the sound of the pedals and maybe I just need to buy a few of each but I thought this was supposed to be a way to expand the sonic palette while also shrinking the floor board..

Here's the example. Never mind me bumping the level knob in the middle there..

source audio preset switching delay

With some practise you can push down on the pedal a few seconds before you want the effect to switch to another sound (green bank to red) I have done this but it definately is not ideal!

If the One Series foot pedals had 2 stomp switches they would seriously kick so much more ass than they do already. If it was assignable so you could set it to either go through the 6 patches or be used as a latching tap tempo switch.. then the extra potential to these would be outstanding.

 

[jamesh]

Could anyone share their recommendations or favorite EQ2 and Atlas always on patches from the community? I've tried the most popular ones, but wanted to ask.

Thanks!

 

[PotsdamBass8]

I want to be able to switch between the three presets on my Aftershock, I have never done any midi switching though. What is the cheapest controller that would allow me to do that? I know I need an adapter in between, but I see the 1, 2, and 3 button controllers from tech 21 and disaster area and don’t really know what I need.

 

[_Tay_]

Could anyone share their recommendations or favorite EQ2 and Atlas always on patches from the community? I've tried the most popular ones, but wanted to ask.

Thanks!

I've been using the 59 bassman patch I uploaded but instead of dipping at 600hz I've changed it to dip at 800hz and to me sounds loads better. Same EQ shape as before. It's my always on curve I really like it.

 

[joshofbass]

Is there anyway to quickly see the settings differences between two patches on the same pedal? I'd love to use midi to morph as many settings as I can between two patches. Looking for workarounds to the silent gap I get switching between presets.

 

[jam.majors]

I want to be able to switch between the three presets on my Aftershock, I have never done any midi switching though. What is the cheapest controller that would allow me to do that? I know I need an adapter in between, but I see the 1, 2, and 3 button controllers from tech 21 and disaster area and don’t really know what I need.

The only non-neuro-hub option that I know of is the [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]. You can use the Neuro cable that came with your pedal, and run it from the 1/4" jack on the micro to the control input on the Aftershock. One caveat is that it only works with channel 1, and the usb controller also only works with channel 1. Other midi control stuff works fine though (as far I remember)
But if all you need is something that will let you step from 1-6 on your aftershock, the above will do it (with space for a bit more).

 

[jam.majors]

Is there anyway to quickly see the settings differences between two patches on the same pedal? I'd love to use midi to morph as many settings as I can between two patches. Looking for workarounds to the silent gap I get switching between presets.

The easiest thing I can think of would be to take a screenshot of the settings you like and then use that for adjustments.
Or hover your mouse over the knobs to get the numerical value in the tooltip and write those down.

 

[joshofbass]

That's probably what I'll do. I wonder if the preset files are user editable?

I don't know if I'll even need to do this. Thought of it while waiting for my expression pedal to arrive. I like the snappy compressor clean sound and I like one of the darkglass community patches and am thinking I can combine them into one super patch so I can switch with the expression pedal

 

[Trvbass]

I have outdoor/festival ampless/FOH opportunity coming up that I want to use my SA board for. It won't be IEM and I will bring a small combo in case it's needed. There will be no guitar amps on stage, but there will be a heavy hitting drummer.

Can folks share any ideas on how you are getting your signal to FOH and how you are managing the volume differences when engaging/disengaging Mercury and C4 (octave down for thickening)?

Will I be better off providing a DI, post wireless/pre SA and just enjoy the schlep or can I put a DI at the end and leverage these pedals?

1. EQ2 (always on community patch "MM Sklar secret sauce?")
2. Atlas (always on community patch "Studio Snap Bass")
3. Mercury
4. C4
5. Collider (a blast in my IEM's and with my small PA, but probably always disengaged for this)

Pedalboard Wireless --> EQ2 --> C4 --> Atlas --> Mercury --> Collider

I've been researching this on other threads, but was hoping for some S.A.S.S. on this question.

Thanks!

 

[Mr. voodoobass]

Seeing you already have the atlas after C4, doesn’t it take care of any spikes coming from the C4?

 

[Mohawk]

I have outdoor/festival ampless/FOH opportunity coming up that I want to use my SA board for. It won't be IEM and I will bring a small combo in case it's needed. There will be no guitar amps on stage, but there will be a heavy hitting drummer.

Can folks share any ideas on how you are getting your signal to FOH and how you are managing the volume differences when engaging/disengaging Mercury and C4 (octave down for thickening)?

Will I be better off providing a DI, post wireless/pre SA and just enjoy the schlep or can I put a DI at the end and leverage these pedals?

1. EQ2 (always on community patch "MM Sklar secret sauce?")
2. Atlas (always on community patch "Studio Snap Bass")
3. Mercury
4. C4
5. Collider (a blast in my IEM's and with my small PA, but probably always disengaged for this)

Pedalboard Wireless --> EQ2 --> C4 --> Atlas --> Mercury --> Collider

I've been researching this on other threads, but was hoping for some S.A.S.S. on this question.

Thanks!
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I haven't run amp-less so far and presently run the pedals into a GK amp and send the post EQ DI signal from the amp to the mixer. Using in-ears where I control my mix (and most band member control theirs) so I get a great bass sound with all the cool effects.

I use an EQ profile on the bass channel in the mixer but no additional compression as the pedals take care of that. As far as the ambient result, if FOH has subs and good drivers the bass should sound good out front. Often the bass amp on stage can cause problems from resonance at certain frequencies due to stage/venue geometry and also interactions, delays, etc with the FOH. This can cause variations in the bass volume versus listening position. If everyone used in-ears and there was always a sub in the system I would like to drop the amp and just go DI.

P.S. looks like you got the DA/Neuro Hub setup working like mine. How do you like it so far?

 

[_Tay_]

I have outdoor/festival ampless/FOH opportunity coming up that I want to use my SA board for. It won't be IEM and I will bring a small combo in case it's needed. There will be no guitar amps on stage, but there will be a heavy hitting drummer.

Can folks share any ideas on how you are getting your signal to FOH and how you are managing the volume differences when engaging/disengaging Mercury and C4 (octave down for thickening)?

Will I be better off providing a DI, post wireless/pre SA and just enjoy the schlep or can I put a DI at the end and leverage these pedals?

1. EQ2 (always on community patch "MM Sklar secret sauce?")
2. Atlas (always on community patch "Studio Snap Bass")
3. Mercury
4. C4
5. Collider (a blast in my IEM's and with my small PA, but probably always disengaged for this)

Pedalboard Wireless --> EQ2 --> C4 --> Atlas --> Mercury --> Collider

I've been researching this on other threads, but was hoping for some S.A.S.S. on this question.

Thanks!
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I use a separate RNDI DI to go from board to FOH. I'd get your octave level dimed in nice on the c4 then use the atlas to compress at the end of chain, as well as where it is in your chain. This should help the levels all be good assuming they are already in a similar volume.

OR simply put the atlas after the mercury possibly.

 

[odarellmc]

Hold on you guys are using DIs on your board. When you have an amp DI? Why?

 

[joshofbass]

Question time:

Got an expression pedal to try out a few things. Just a cheap zoom thing since I'm planning to go full hub soleman etc later

The zoom works. Many patches need switching from hub to local expression and work fine afterwards.

But

Some settings don't seem to respond to the the expression control. I don't see or hear any difference patches where Expression is controlling master drive. Also seems to be happening on other settings too. I haven't had much time with it yet but is there something simple I could be missing?

For testing I kept the setup simple. Bass thru pedal to amp. Pedal plugged into desktop Neuro and the expression control connected through the control input with the 3.5mm to 1/4" Cable that came with the pedal.

Oh yeah... Ultrawave

 

[PotsdamBass8]

On the Aftershock, if I have a patch with parallel processing (quasi crossover), where the level is different between the two sides. Is there a way to control the overall mixed volume with a knob on the front? The way it is now, when I turn the knob it snaps both volumes to wherever the physical knob is placed, changing the blend to 50/50 instead of whatever I had.

 

[Felkara]

I have outdoor/festival ampless/FOH opportunity coming up that I want to use my SA board for. It won't be IEM and I will bring a small combo in case it's needed. There will be no guitar amps on stage, but there will be a heavy hitting drummer.

Can folks share any ideas on how you are getting your signal to FOH and how you are managing the volume differences when engaging/disengaging Mercury and C4 (octave down for thickening)?

Will I be better off providing a DI, post wireless/pre SA and just enjoy the schlep or can I put a DI at the end and leverage these pedals?

1. EQ2 (always on community patch "MM Sklar secret sauce?")
2. Atlas (always on community patch "Studio Snap Bass")
3. Mercury
4. C4
5. Collider (a blast in my IEM's and with my small PA, but probably always disengaged for this)

Pedalboard Wireless --> EQ2 --> C4 --> Atlas --> Mercury --> Collider

I've been researching this on other threads, but was hoping for some S.A.S.S. on this question.

Thanks!
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Looks like you’ve got plenty of room for a Darkglass Element so you can go ampless straight to FOH. That’s what I’ve done, albeit I still use my amp for stage volume and monitoring.



Re volume spikes, I would use your Atlas to sort out your volume levels, and extra post-EQ if needed following the C4 and just bake it into your patches controlled by your Disaster Area device so you can compensate as required.

 

[yberwaffe]

Got hold of an Aftershock and tries to program it.

Works if the USB cable is connected directly to the computer, but not if connected via an USB hub.
Is this a known problem ?

My two Red Panda pedals can be programmed with a hub in between.

 

[roleki]

Got hold of an Aftershock and tries to program it.

Works if the USB cable is connected directly to the computer, but not if connected via an USB hub.
Is this a known problem ?

My two Red Panda pedals can be programmed with a hub in between.

I bet it's the hub; I had a similar experience with a Lego NXT brick and a USB hub I got from a trade show - would communicate when connected directly to the PC, but wouldn't do poo when connected to the cheap hub. I swapped that out for a Sabrent HB-U14P hub and haven't looked back; the Sabrent is currently pushing 4x One Series pedals without issue.

ETA: check to see if the ports on the hub are 'split voltage' - one port doing 5v, another 3.3v, another 1.2v or whatever, and if they are, try it in the 5v port.

 

[roleki]

Uh, since I am here...

I had to drop my son's guitar off at Sweetwater's campus for some warranty work, and those clever bastards put the service desk waaaaay in back so you have to pass everything twice to get in and out of the building.

While I resisted the urge to ACQUIRE EVERYTHING on that visit, I doubt I have it in me to resist a second time when I go to pick the guitar up in a few weeks. I don't know what, but something is going to stick to me on the way out, the only question is what?

I currently have an Atlas, Spectrum, Gemini and Aftershock. I don't gig or jam or whatever, aside from playing some root notes along with my kid as he learns songs; I just like monkeying with settings and seeing what comes out.

As such, I love the Spectrum, but I keep looking at all the extra stuff the C4 can do and can't help but wonder if I would like that more. I'm also interested in the UltraWave, but not as interested as I am in the C4 because I don't really 'get' what the UltraWave actually does; I mean, I get the concept behind it, but all of the demos I've seen sound like Spectrum sets rather than their own THING, if that makes sense.

I was hoping somebody who has experience with any of these would chime in with their pro/cons to the C4/UltraWave, and maybe explain what all I would need to get BESIDES a C4 if I wanted to save as many presets as the Spectrum can hold.

I'd appreciate any info that would help me figure out the exact amount of cash I need to carry with me back to Fort Wayne.