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SPECTOR® Club - Part 46

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Lee, very glad to hear that you are happy with your new NS-4. The NS-4 is a bass that needs to be played loud & proud.
When I first took mine to rehearsals, I was taken aback by the sound - it was missing some of the grind & growl that my P/J Spectors had, and I had to adjust to the glassier highs, less pronounced mids & the overall wider sound.
By the end of the night I was really digging it, and by the 2nd or 3rd rehearsal, I realized the NS-4 had a beefy thickness & heaviness to the sound that my other Spectors simply didn't have. That smoothness & heaviness of tone makes my band's original metal songs sound harder & heavier than any other bass I've ever owned.
The more I think about it, my next USA ultraviolet bass might just be another NS-4.
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Supes, Chris, Lee, Sam and anyone else who has experiences with both the usa 18 and 9 volt circuits in any Spector model, be it standard appointments on US NS series basses, or Euros or Fortes with custom upgrades to those preamps. I need some insights from my family here in choosing which US preamp I want for each of my three "keeper" Spectors. I've already talked extensively with Jaymi about it and I'd like your take as we'll, if you don't mind.

I've been tossing around the idea of putting a USA 9v in all three of my Spectors. This week I realized that I recall pj and Patrick explaining at some point in past threads that the us 18 v circuit was developed specifically for three main reasons: accommodating the wider and more powerful output of EMGs dual coil, wide aperture humbuckers, accommodating the frquency demands of a low B string more accurately than the 9v, and also powering the EMG humbuckers at a full 18v for better headroom and complete exploitation of the frequency range of the EMGs built in preamps. So I was thinking, perhaps I should get the 18v for my Euro 4 with the twin DCs and another for my five with the twin DCs. Then put a 9v in the white p/j NS-2 style Euro I'll end up with eventually.

I've gotten Jaymi's perspective on this choice. As someone who's experienced both, what would you do? I know the two 18 and a 9 will also save me a big chunk of change, but ignore that for now. I'd rather find out what you would choose if you we're me and were dealing with these particular models.

Thanks everyone in advance for the feedback. I'll also,keep you up to date on the return of the Wimbish neck LX. Beaver has promised me that his plan for swapping this bass out will lead to this: "you WILL smile at the end of this deal. Trust me." In the almost 14 years I've known him and been his client, I've never had him promise me something and not come through one way or the other, so I don't take that kind of statement lightly. I'm actually kind of excited to see what his solution idea is and it's overshadowing my disappointment in the bass. I was just so caught up in having a brand new white Spector that was finally mine to keep and then after the dazzle factor wore off and I really examined the bass while changing strings and noticed all the problems. But Beaver's quick response and promise to make it right is very reassuring. Lets see what happens.
 
The 4 string basses are usually less than 10 pounds but if you are looking for a lighter model, you might want to look at the bolt-ons. I think my Rebop 5 weighs about 8 pounds so when I pick that up after playing the NS-5XL, it feels like a feather.

I've only tried two USA models for any extended period of time and they were both USA fortes, one 4 one 5. The 4 weighed 10.3 pounds I think and the 5 weighed 11.7. My matte black finished Euro LX 4 and matte lack Euro LX 5 weigh 8.6 and 9.4, respectively. It's one of the reasons, the other being finances, that I haven't actively pursued a US NS-2 or 4. I'd love to own a gloss white, all maple body and neck, pau ferro board, gold or black hardware, EMG PJs and the US 9v pre amp and the Ian Hill neck profile. That's my absolute ultimate Spector USA dream bass. But a Euro with similar specs will weigh less, have some different hardware, slightly different wood composition, but with a US pre in it, it would be 90-95% there in terms of getting the full US model tone. And at way less than half the price (especially used), Euros from the SSD days to now are still the most Spector you can get for your money, used or new in my opinion.
 
Supes, Chris, Lee, Sam and anyone else who has experiences with both the usa 18 and 9 volt circuits in any Spector model, be it standard appointments on US NS series basses, or Euros or Fortes with custom upgrades to those preamps. I need some insights from my family here in choosing which US preamp I want for each of my three "keeper" Spectors. I've already talked extensively with Jamie about it and I'd like your take as we'll, if you don't mind.

I've been tossing around the idea of putting a USA 9v in all three of my Spectors. This week I realized that I recall pj and Patrick explaining at some point in past threads that the us 18 v circuit was developed specifically for three main reasons: accommodating the wider and more powerful output of EMGs dual coil, wide aperture humbuckers, accommodating the frquency demands of a low B string more accurately than the 9v, and also powering the EMG humbuckers at a full 18v for better headroom and complete exploitation of the frequency range of the EMGs built in preamps. So I was thinking, perhaps I should get the 18v for my Euro 4 with the twin DCs and another for my five with the twin DCs. Then put a 9v in the white p/j NS-2 style Euro I'll end up with eventually.

I've gotten Jamie's perspective on this choice. As someone who's experienced both, what would you do? I know the two 18 and a 9 will also save me a big chunk of change, but ignore that for now. I'd rather find out what you would choose if you we're me and were dealing with these particular models.

Thanks everyone in advance for the feedback. I'll also,keep you up to date on the return of the Wimbish neck LX. Beaver has promised me that his plan for swapping this bass out will lead to this: "you WILL smile at the end of this deal. Trust me." In the almost 14 years I've known him and been his client, I've never had him promise me something and not come through one way or the other, so I don't take that kind of statement lightly. I'm actually kind of excited to see what his solution idea is and it's overshadowing my disappointment in the bass. I was just so caught up in having a brand new white Spector that was finally mine to keep and then after the dazzle factor wore off and I really examined the bass while changing strings and noticed all the problems. But Beaver's quick response and promise to make it right is very reassuring. Lets see what happens.

Your proposed plan sounds like a winner.
The 12-volt is definitely the way to go when running DCs because it gives you the milkshake sound - thick, smooth and heavy.
You tend to set up your basses for a very articulate sound with the patented "Smadder Set-Up", and the 12-volt/DC package is a different animal entirely - but that may be just what the Doctor ordered. I think if you had one NS-4 type bass and a "Smadder Special" bass, you would have all of the bases covered (no pun intended). I absolutely love the P/J Spectors, but when it's time to hit the stage, the NS-4 is my weapon of choice, especially for the drop tunings & the really heavy stuff. :bassist:
 
Supes, Chris, Lee, Sam and anyone else who has experiences with both the usa 18 and 9 volt circuits in any Spector model, be it standard appointments on US NS series basses, or Euros or Fortes with custom upgrades to those preamps. I need some insights from my family here in choosing which US preamp I want for each of my three "keeper" Spectors. I've already talked extensively with Jamie about it and I'd like your take as we'll, if you don't mind.

I've been tossing around the idea of putting a USA 9v in all three of my Spectors. This week I realized that I recall pj and Patrick explaining at some point in past threads that the us 18 v circuit was developed specifically for three main reasons: accommodating the wider and more powerful output of EMGs dual coil, wide aperture humbuckers, accommodating the frquency demands of a low B string more accurately than the 9v, and also powering the EMG humbuckers at a full 18v for better headroom and complete exploitation of the frequency range of the EMGs built in preamps. So I was thinking, perhaps I should get the 18v for my Euro 4 with the twin DCs and another for my five with the twin DCs. Then put a 9v in the white p/j NS-2 style Euro I'll end up with eventually.

I've gotten Jamie's perspective on this choice. As someone who's experienced both, what would you do? I know the two 18 and a 9 will also save me a big chunk of change, but ignore that for now. I'd rather find out what you would choose if you we're me and were dealing with these particular models.

Thanks everyone in advance for the feedback. I'll also,keep you up to date on the return of the Wimbish neck LX. Beaver has promised me that his plan for swapping this bass out will lead to this: "you WILL smile at the end of this deal. Trust me." In the almost 14 years I've known him and been his client, I've never had him promise me something and not come through one way or the other, so I don't take that kind of statement lightly. I'm actually kind of excited to see what his solution idea is and it's overshadowing my disappointment in the bass. I was just so caught up in having a brand new white Spector that was finally mine to keep and then after the dazzle factor wore off and I really examined the bass while changing strings and noticed all the problems. But Beaver's quick response and promise to make it right is very reassuring. Lets see what happens.

For your basses with the DC's, I think the 18V USA would be a good choice. You will have to do something to cover the extra hole though since the 18V circuit has a 3 knob configuration and will be replacing an existing config that had 4 knobs so just a heads up on that. For the P/J config bass, I would recommend the 9V USA circuit but hey, that is just me.

3 out of 4 of my Spector's have DC's in them and all of them are wired up for 18V:

NS-5XL - 18V USA Circuit
Euro 5LX - EMG BQC System wired at 18V
Rebop 5 - Tone Pump wired at 18V

The only Spector I own that is not 18V is my NS-JH5 which I have wired up as 9V. It has an EMG TW in the bridge postion and an EMG J at the neck so I didn't think the extra head room was needed for that bass. Plus, since it is a bolt-on, it has the battery box and I wanted to continue using that since I really like the convenience of it. Once I ripped out the OBP-1 that I hated the tone of, I installed an EMG BQC Control which made a huge difference. I also wired it up with dual volumes since I wanted to keep the push/pull functionality of the TW which switches it between single and dual coil.

These are just my experiences and preferences though so others might have different suggestions for you that might make more sense to you. Just adding my 2 cents :)
 
I've only tried two USA models for any extended period of time and they were both USA fortes, one 4 one 5. The 4 weighed 10.3 pounds I think and the 5 weighed 11.7. My matte black finished Euro LX 4 and matte lack Euro LX 5 weigh 8.6 and 9.4, respectively. It's one of the reasons, the other being finances, that I haven't actively pursued a US NS-2 or 4. I'd love to own a gloss white, all maple body and neck, pau ferro board, gold or black hardware, EMG PJs and the US 9v pre amp and the Ian Hill neck profile. That's my absolute ultimate Spector USA dream bass. But a Euro with similar specs will weigh less, have some different hardware, slightly different wood composition, but with a US pre in it, it would be 90-95% there in terms of getting the full US model tone. And at way less than half the price (especially used), Euros from the SSD days to now are still the most Spector you can get for your money, used or new in my opinion.

Yup, and the differentiating factor between the Euro's and the USA basses is that deadly weapon known as the bridge, LOL. :) I think Patrick mentioned a bit ago that the USA bridges weigh around 2 pounds so that is what sets them over the 10 pound mark most likely.

The USA bolt-ons use Hipshot bridges which weigh less so that will make them not weigh as much. Even my all maple NS-JH5 is around 9.5 pounds so that bridge definitely makes a difference in the overall weight.
 
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Yup, and the differentiating factor between the Euro's and the USA basses is that deadly weapon known as the bridge, LOL. :) I think Patrick mentioned a bit ago that the USA bridges weigh around 2 pounds so that is what sets them over the 10 pound mark most likely.

Yes, the bridge is what really matters here. It's heavy and it gives this endless sustain and adds some "metal" tone. The compromize here seems to be with Kramer era NS-2, mine is 9.5 pounds which is reasonably light assuming that it has that 2-pound brass bridge on it. Everything above 10 pounds seems heavy to me.
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Spector-NS-2A-/280980060862?pt=Guitar&hash=item416bb77abe

Wow. It's priced so high that I don't want to contact the guy. Anyone up for community service that feels like sending this guy a note. He lists it at even more than I did back when I first got into Spectors and had no idea what was worth what and why...

I've had great luck in the past, I'll shoot him an email tomorrow... That guy is definitly a bit off... Lol
That's at least his second try with that bass.
I think it might have been even higher last time with no takers.
 
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Hah! That's funny dude. I remember trying one on at Dirt Cheap Music and thought my neck was going to snap off of my body. Definitely the quintessential electric bass/murder weapon.

Oh wait! Wait! Wait! Also the neck-through American Custom shop 80's B.C. Rich models. I remember playing a leopard print painted warlock with a wacky ass twelve switch/knob preamp that weighed in at 18.6 pounds. It was all solid maple. Monstrous. In so many ways.
 
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