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Spector Club - Part 17

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Sorry, Patrick, I must correct you on something.

You said, "I'm telling you guys I LOVE the ReBop! It's an awesome bass for the money."

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You should have said: "I'm telling you guys I LOVE the ReBop! It's an awesome bass."

I own/play a ReBop4 and a Euro5LX. I do not think any less of the ReBop because it costs less than the Euro. The ReBop is an awesome bass, Period!

:D

I just thought about it...

Ray's USA Forte-4X sounds like a ReBop. It has the same pups and electronics. I'm telling you guys I LOVE the ReBop! It's an awesome bass for the money. And if you need proof that it would work on a big stage... most of Bret's set is either Poison tunes or covers of songs by Lynard Skynard to Sublime. He's got to have big tone that can cut through some heavy guitar and keyboards.
 
Too much coffee... not enough sleep lately. And I hate that I'm drinking coffee again. LOL.

The whole point of the Europe series is to get them as close to the USA as possible in tone, feel and quality, but keep them at the 1/2 range in cost (list) to the USA models. So people can afford to get a SPECTOR Euro if they can't swing the USA... and still get a killer instrument.

And about that Buckeye Burl... this is what it's made from. :-)

As you can see, solid wings out of this would be no problem. Except they just don't sound as good to Stuart.

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Where the heck do you start with that??
 
They came in yesterday !!!! Not perfect (due to me being sloppy) but they look great
 

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Got my Euro today!!! It's definitely going to take some getting used to. My Jazz feels like home, but the Spector is SOOO resonant and even through my guitar combo amp, it has very gnarly tone. It makes my Jazz sound like the strings are muted or something...

Can anyone suggest a setup starting point for me?? I use 50-105 ga strings, and play mostly rock and metal, both fingers and pick. Just a ball park figure on how much neck relief, string height, pickup height, etc...

Also, where is a good place to pick up a hard case on the cheap...Doesn't have to be anything really special, just something better than this gig bag....

And of course, the pron!!

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Awesome blue!! :bassist: x100

If you tune to E std, I like a .105-.45 set, anything else just feels too small.

Spectors sound great w/ all strings, IME. DR Lo Riders/Hi Beams, Ernie Ball Slinkies, Spector strings, Circle K, etc..

That's an interesting comparison in tone vs. your J bass but it's pretty true. :) When I play anything else I'm just kinda "meh". The PJ setup just cuts and can cover any tonal thing you'd need.
 
Got my Euro today!!! It's definitely going to take some getting used to. My Jazz feels like home, but the Spector is SOOO resonant and even through my guitar combo amp, it has very gnarly tone. It makes my Jazz sound like the strings are muted or something...

Can anyone suggest a setup starting point for me?? I use 50-105 ga strings, and play mostly rock and metal, both fingers and pick. Just a ball park figure on how much neck relief, string height, pickup height, etc...

Also, where is a good place to pick up a hard case on the cheap...Doesn't have to be anything really special, just something better than this gig bag....

And of course, the pron!!

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Congrats, Lookin good, love that blue burst color.

Regarding the setup, its kind of hard to say but from eyeballing the bridge in your photos it appears to be in the same general height area as mine. With my former older Euro and with my current EuroLX, I have a little bit of relief in the neck and the action can get very low with my technique which is 80% Finger style, 15% slap and 5% pick, mostly Rock.

What brand strings do you usually use?
 
They came in yesterday !!!! Not perfect (due to me being sloppy) but they look great

Nice Job with the inlays, it is very hard to get them perfect.
Funny thing, with mine that 21st fret inlay is also slightly off to the left the same way. I think when you get near the end you brain just rushes it on LOL
 
thanks for the correction Patrick. I thought the solid maple wings that would measure to Spector's specs were a much higher cost overseas, and so to correct for that, they went with the sandwich idea that we see other companies do. I should have reworded my post to say "In my opinion, it was for cost savingss" instead of "I know...". That asserts it as fact, which it wasn't.

Phat, that's what I was curious about. I wondered if the sandwich technique, with obviously different woods, sounded similar enough to the older, solid maple Euro's so that any tonal difference would be minimally noticed. I won't be able to make a solid determination when my 5 gets here because of too many other variables that are different (scale, newer tonepump, DC's intead of the PJ setup, etc). Of course, with all that being said, even if it is different, as long as it sounds good, I won't care....and I have every confidence it will deliver!

IMO,

I have owned the older euro's and I play as many as I can ( I live 10 min from bass central) There defiantly is a difference between the new euro 's and the old all maple ones.

The old maple euro's are great, the tone though compared to a US is different and I have always wondered why ( even with the same electronics, you can hear it solo and defiantly in the studio). The euro's sound great but seem to have a little more highs and a little less low mids than the US basses ( which to my ear have been very consistent).

That's where the "grunt" and the "kung" live, Yes those are technical terms, they combine to make the legendary Spector "growl" lol. For a good example of this, listen to "my friend of misery" from metallica you hear it well in the intro.

All of the US basses I have played have that kind of soft roll off on the highs, the high mid growl and big lows, even acoustically. Some of the maple euros have it, some don't. I believe that's what the tonepump is trying to bring out. To my ears a lot of the maple euro's have bright highs but not a lot of that rolloff or grunt. I have played some though that do, and do it well.

I did think that the sandwich approach was to cut costs ( a 1/2 " piece of flame or curly AAA maple alone costs $300-500. I have never been able to find a full body wing piece, let alone price it) And I definitely did not like the idea of spector messing with the original mix.

Honestly, I was surprised. To my ears, playing 2 euro's and a US side by side at bass central through the same amp, and acoustically, the sandwich brings out more of the low mids and helps with the roll off on highs a bit. It helps give the bass the big warm bottom end and bring out those Spector mids we all love so much. Did it equal the US? No, that one still sounded like a "Spector" right off the bat, unplugged. Did it sound closer than the all maple? They were a little different acoustically but plugged in it defiantly imo. was closer than the all maple. Wierd , and I have been holding off buying a new sandwich euro because I didn't like the idea of the wood mix, But I'm thinking other than a US the new euro's are the way to go. ymmv
 
Sorry, Patrick, I must correct you on something.

You said, "I'm telling you guys I LOVE the ReBop! It's an awesome bass for the money."

:scowl:

You should have said: "I'm telling you guys I LOVE the ReBop! It's an awesome bass."

I own/play a ReBop4 and a Euro5LX. I do not think any less of the ReBop because it costs less than the Euro. The ReBop is an awesome bass, Period!

:D

Nice! I DO stand corrected! Let the books show I've been set straight! :bassist:
 
Sorry Mark, I don't want you to think I'm picking on you or anything brotha! I really appreciate all your support but I've got to clear something up with what you said above. It's a common misconception that the LX mesh wings came about due to cost. Actually, this is a wrong assumption. It actually costs more to bond the three wood types together, maple, walnut and alder, and to use the solid maple wings.

The maple that's being used for the top of the LX wings is the same as before and could easily be cut into full wings.

The reason for the mix is tone. The USA wood used in the USA models has a richer, deeper tone. The European maple has a tendency to not be as resonate. Partially because it has a different consistency and instead of uniform density, can be really soft and/or dense in the same log. So quality control for this wood can be difficult.

Stuart started experimenting with mixing wood types to improve the tonal qualities of the Euro models back in the late 1990's. He just hadn't been satisfied with their sound. There were too many inconsistencies from batch to batch made.

This is one of the aspects of Stuart's thought process which fascinates me. I've spoken with him numerous times about it and he says, "an instrument has to sound good acoustically if you want to have any hope of it sounding good when amplified"

For Stuart it's all about the tone. The reason the price jumped up with the LX series is because the wood prep time for making the wings, having to slice the wood, create the sandwich, then test it to make sure the bond is good, far exceeds the cost of the maple by itself.

The USA Bolt On bodies are another grand experiment in mixing woods for specific tone. Lightweight mahogany with AAAA Maple tops... then look at my Redwood NS-4... 1/2 Water cured redwood - 1/2 black walnut. Same with the Buckeye Burl.

And Stuart could make solid wing Buckeye basses... have you ever seen the logs that the buckeye is cut from? He just doesn't think the tone is right with solid buckeye wings.

He's obsessed with the tone of his instruments. And I've seen him get wood as an experiment, build the bass, not like it at all, remove the electronics and destroy the body. There's a few experiments laying around the workshop from time-to-time.

He'll never put them out there if they don't sound good.

The new SPECTOR slogan I came up with, "Uncompromising Quality, Unparalleled Versatility, Unbelievable Sound", it was born from conversations with Stuart and PJ and realizing that they both are all about the quality, the playability and the tone. It's that simple. And in reality, none of it is simple. I told Todd Cooke yesterday on the phone that Stuart has forgotten more about guitar design and building that I'll ever learn... LOL... I meant it.

Sorry to jump in about the cost savings dictates design thing. With so many other companies this may be true... and in some cases with SPECTOR... like the TonePump... if they wanted it to sound like the USA circuit, why not use the USA circuit?

Because the USA circuit is hand-made... it costs 4 times as much as the TP to build. Then shipping an electronic device to Europe, there's export taxes.... this would have boost the cost of the Euro models $600 or more each. And the point of the Euro was to get a hand-made (because at the Czech shop a majority of the construction is still done by hand) SPECTOR at a much more affordable price.

I just wanted to jump in because I've never seen these guys cut corners in quality or sound to save a dollar for themselves. To make something more affordable for the customer, sure... but never at the expense of lessening the quality of their basses.

The last thing I'd like to address with the EuroLX models. I know a lot of players that think the solid wings are superior to the mesh. Why? Look at the necks of Fodera basses... with layers of different woods meshed together. And we know that Vinny does amazing basses... that are easily 2 to 3 times more expensive than USA SPECTOR basses...

In many cases the woods used in a mesh are better quality than the solids... when you look at European wood. The necks of the Euro Series come from the NY Workshop. So right there you're getting the same neck (meaning same 3-ply Rock Maple) that the USA Series has.

I'm perfectly OK with the mesh wings because Stuart thinks they sound better. He likes the tone on the latest generation of Euro models best.

And lastly, why I came out of retirement in marketing and advertising to consult with SPECTOR... because these guys care about their customers. Not some BS ploy which really says, we care more about our customer's money. Nope. Not how these guys operate. They try to keep improving and making their models better and better. That's what it's all about. They keep getting better. And we, the musicians who play their guitars... we are the beneficiaries of this dedication.

Off my soapbox.

+10000000 JPS!!!! I've become a believer in Stuart & PJ with their extremely highest quality basses ever made! I'm a SPECTOR player for life!!! Thank you JPS for sharing that amazing information!
 
Just to clarify:
In my earlier post, I was not speaking to their sound at all. Every Spector I have tried (or owned) sounded a little different, regardless of model or series.

I was speaking more to the overall build quality in general, not the tone neccessarilly. I think the jury is still out on tone when comparing solid wings vs. sandwiched. I know I just don't like the look of it as they've taken one of the most beautiful body designs ever and ruined the asthetic lines of it with the hippie sandwich look. Once again, I am not anti-hippie sandwich. It just doesn't work with the NS body shape IMHO.
 
Got my Euro today!!! It's definitely going to take some getting used to. My Jazz feels like home, but the Spector is SOOO resonant and even through my guitar combo amp, it has very gnarly tone. It makes my Jazz sound like the strings are muted or something...

Yes... and your J is going to start feeling like a big fat slab of wood before long. I still can't get past the heavier, wider, flat bodies of most basses. I'm so spoiled with the NS... it's sleek and sexy and the curves are perfect. And I'm a thin guy. It's more comfortable than anything else I've ever touched besides the little black box that Steinberger Sound made... but then you can't easily set one of those in your lap and play.

Can anyone suggest a setup starting point for me?? I use 50-105 ga strings, and play mostly rock and metal, both fingers and pick. Just a ball park figure on how much neck relief, string height, pickup height, etc...

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Jimmy Eppard, who is Stuart's master tech and the Shop Master (he's in charge when Stuart isn't at the Workshop) was kind enough to explain how he sets up every SPECTOR that leaves the USA Workshop. And Jimmy is the guy who does the setups.

I'm working on a SPECTORCare Video that addresses just this. I've recently had to adjust the necks of my NS-4 and Euro4LX-TW-35 and my Alex Bass came with no setup because it was a rush to get it to me for BPL. I've set up 6 SPECTORs in the last two weeks.

Also, where is a good place to pick up a hard case on the cheap...Doesn't have to be anything really special, just something better than this gig bag....

RoadRunner had a small lightweight semi-hard case at BPL that was killer for like $40-$50. It's shaped like a regular hard case. The inner frame is impact resistant ABS plastic with a hardened styrofoam covering. The outer case is heavy nylon with a zipper to open and close it.

It's a great alternative to a gig bag and a full-out wood-framed hard case (like the SPECTOR hard-cases).

Or you could go with a reinforced gig bag like I did. I have a PSG (Pro Stage Gear) gig bag with extra padding and a slight spine. It was like $75
 
I don't think the sandwich hurts the looks so much, at least not from the frontal. I guess you see it a bit looking down, but dont racing stripes make everything cool? lol

Part of me wants to buy one of the peacock ones from bass central just because it's a cool color you never see. the green back on the dougie looks a little weird though. I'll give ya that.
 
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