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Spector Club Part 6

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The guy contact me. He took the ad down. He didn't really know where to start so he tried to figure out the model based on the info in our new model sections. He was sincerely apologetic and wasn't trying to mislead anyone.
I gave him the proper stats and told him I'd be glad to help him with any info he needed.

Hey Peledog! Nice catch. Here is a case where someone wasn't trying to do anything wrong... they just didn't know. That's why I love this community. We look out for everyone/anyone who plays/owns a Spector.

Thanks for your help.

:-)
 
Bad day for temptation.
9 of the USA Basses we're displaying at BPL arrived at my office a little while ago.
I can't post photos yet... some of these are top secret NEW models that we're going to be introducing to the public for the first time at BPL...
But this weekend after the show I'll post some photos.
Man... I'd like to have that one... and that one... and that one...

OH! Marchone! I do have a new Forte-4 with the Aguilar OBP-2 Tone Circuit. It's one of the basses we have for BPL that is an existing model.

I plan on testing it out (I want to know about it too) and I'll post some photos and a review when I get time.

Cheers everyone. Tomorrow is setup... this weekend is going to be fun and busy.
I hope to see some of you there.
 
In the last week I've gotten my hands on 2 Euro (non-LX) fivers, one with a Tonepump and one with some kind of EMG system - knobs were V, blend, T, B (BTS perhaps?) and the cavity had 2 chips made in Mexico. A couple of observations/questions:

1) Holy good lord why do they use that freakin' Tonepump? That thing sounded terrible BEFORE I heard the EMG pre. I couldn't believe how much better the Euro with the EMG sounded, and the setup on it was awful compared to the Tonepump bass. No contest at all.

2) Compared to my US bolt-on, the B-strings on both Euros were rather loose and a bit floppy. This a normal thing? String guages didn't seem smaller than 130.

3) The nut and bridge of one of them was very yellow, very bright looking, while the other looked a bit duller. Bridges and nuts weren't ever different materials, were they? The website doesn't seem to indicate that they were.

Also, I played what I think is a Performer 4 Deluxe (neck looked like plastic, SSD pups, some kind of 4 knob pre). Ugly as all get out, but I was shocked at the playability and tone from that thing. Had it been a 5 string I probably would have spent the $150 they were asking for it.
 
1) Holy good lord why do they use that freakin' Tonepump? That thing sounded terrible BEFORE I heard the EMG pre. I couldn't believe how much better the Euro with the EMG sounded, and the setup on it was awful compared to the Tonepump bass. No contest at all.

This makes me happy! I just ordered a set of 40DC's and a BQC system for this little beauty-


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I'm now in Tom Petty mode ("Waaaaiting is the hardest part")
 
In the last week I've gotten my hands on 2 Euro (non-LX) fivers, one with a Tonepump and one with some kind of EMG system - knobs were V, blend, T, B (BTS perhaps?) and the cavity had 2 chips made in Mexico. A couple of observations/questions:
According the info I have the EMG tone circuit should have been an EMG BT


1) Holy good lord why do they use that freakin' Tonepump? That thing sounded terrible BEFORE I heard the EMG pre. I couldn't believe how much better the Euro with the EMG sounded, and the setup on it was awful compared to the Tonepump bass. No contest at all.
OK. I know not everyone likes the TonePump. But I have a USA Spector (with the Haz 18v) and a Euro with the EMG BT, the same as what you probably played.
And I have a Euro with the TonePump and I installed a TonePump into my NS-2A... and honestly. I don't have any problem with it... the tone, etc... it's way hot if you don't adjust the trim pot... but that's the key to getting great tone out of it.
And the early TonePumps, before the trim pot... was a hot... often mess. But the Trim Pot fixed a lot. As did the changes the engineer made to it. Turn it down when you get your Euro to about 1/2 way and it makes the world of difference.
I'm also somewhat of a purist. And if Stuart says, "I feel this best represents the sound I'm going for..." I don't question it. And Stuart helped DESIGN the TonePump.
Listen to the NIN bass tracks I did with my Euro4LX and tell me if you think that it has a bad sound because of the TonePump... Really. It's all in how you set it up.

2) Compared to my US bolt-on, the B-strings on both Euros were rather loose and a bit floppy. This a normal thing? String guages didn't seem smaller than 130.
The older Euro5 you messed with. Did it have a pearl dot neck? It was probably a 34" scale Euro5. And yes, that's why most 5ers are 35". You don't get the same string tension.

3) The nut and bridge of one of them was very yellow, very bright looking, while the other looked a bit duller. Bridges and nuts weren't ever different materials, were they? The website doesn't seem to indicate that they were.
The older Euros had Solid Brass Bridges and Nuts, which were matte (dull finished) which goes along with what I suspected about the 34" scale.
Newer Euro models have a Brass-Zinc finish which is polished. I've worn the finish off my 8 month old Euro's bridge in one spot where I rest my palm if playing with a pick. I actually prefer the solid brass myself.

Also, I played what I think is a Performer 4 Deluxe (neck looked like plastic, SSD pups, some kind of 4 knob pre). Ugly as all get out, but I was shocked at the playability and tone from that thing. Had it been a 5 string I probably would have spent the $150 they were asking for it.
Yup, silver bridge, like what you'd see on a Fender? The issue with the performer was never the tone, it was the quality control with the Chinese factory that we contracted with to do them. Each shipment was a little less nice than the one before. And the clear-coat on those was brittle over time. Lots of chips and cracks would appear in the finishes.
But they played well and sounded great for an entry level bass.
 
Just a quick note for Marchone...

Played the USA NS-2 for about 20 minutes. And man... Beautiful playing and sounding instrument. Different sounding than my NS-4... which I expected. Played the same. So that's a good thing.

Then I played the Forte-4. Wow. It's actually a little heavier than either the NS-2 or NS-4. The action, neck, playability, everything was the same. The tone was significantly different. Much more powerful. Much deeper. The NS-2... with the 9v USA (Haz)... I could turn the treble all the way down, bass all the way up and the tone was still not flat... not bassy-muted like you'd expect.

Do that with the Forte-4 and the Aguilar circuit just bottoms everything out into a deep, somewhat muted sounding roar.

I can't say this is bad either. It's definately a deeper version of the traditional NS-2. Metal guys should LOVE the Forte-4.

Both are really, really nice. I actually like the black hardware on the Forte. And the neck side dots are very bright. A nice contrast that the NS-2 and NS-4 don't have. Their side dots are a little more blended. ....

Scratch that. I see why. It looks as if the side dots on the Forte are a little larger. Which makes sense.

Anyway. My first, gut reaction to these basses are:

NS-2, Forte-4... feel the same, play the same, sound very different. The Forte coming out more powerful, especially on the low end, the NS-2 a little better balanced but with less tonal range.

It's nice you can order the Forte with the USA 9v (Haz) circuit. IMHO, put one of those in the Forte and you have an NS-2 without neck inlays at $2,000 less.

Both are excellent instruments.
 
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The guy contact me. He took the ad down. He didn't really know where to start so he tried to figure out the model based on the info in our new model sections. He was sincerely apologetic and wasn't trying to mislead anyone.
I gave him the proper stats and told him I'd be glad to help him with any info he needed.

Hey Peledog! Nice catch. Here is a case where someone wasn't trying to do anything wrong... they just didn't know. That's why I love this community. We look out for everyone/anyone who plays/owns a Spector.

Thanks for your help.

:-)

You're welcome. :D

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GAS!!!!!!!!
 
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Tisk, Tisk ;)
Now you know there are no 34" scale "Euro5" basses with dots. :smug:

Without being an anomally, it would have to be a 1999 or earlier NS5CR(FM).
:p

Nice! Yes I'm tired. Exhausted is more like it.
I was totally thinking of the SSD models.

DUDE! I swear you are the Euro expert. I don't know why I bother answering any of the Euro questions. I tell you what... from now on I'm going to tell them to "wait until Phat chimes in..." LOL.

Got to try to get some sleep. Tomorrow PJ and I set up the booth for BPL. I need to get some sleep.

:-) Cheers!
 
Oh... and one last thought as I put this beautiful gloss black cherry stain NS-2 that I've been playing all evening away for the show this weekend...

Man. It was the NS-2 that I fell in love with back in the day. And it doesn't disappoint.

Don't get me wrong... I LOVE my NS-4. But the tone coming out of this NS-2 is un-freakin' real. I'm sold. NEXT... I will have to get an NS-2.

Write that into a stone tablet somewhere. Whatever the next step above having terminal GAS is... I'm three steps beyond it.
 
DUDE! I swear you are the Euro expert. I don't know why I bother answering any of the Euro questions. I tell you what... from now on I'm going to tell them to "wait until Phat chimes in..." LOL.
LOL....

"Hi there.
Do you know me?
I'm not really a Spector Euro expert,
but I play one on TalkBass.com."

:p:p:D

Actually, I just notice the big stuff. I would have to do some research to give all the tiny details you've given (old pricing, nut materials, etc. etc.).

You're doing a fantastic service here. Definately don't stop.
:)
 
Great info guys!!

OK. I know not everyone likes the TonePump. But I have a USA Spector (with the Haz 18v) and a Euro with the EMG BT, the same as what you probably played.

Cool. All I know is that, to my ear, it kicked the snot out of the Tonepump :) My first thought when trying out the Tonepump bass was, "Those electronics have got to go."

And I have a Euro with the TonePump and I installed a TonePump into my NS-2A... and honestly. I don't have any problem with it... the tone, etc... it's way hot if you don't adjust the trim pot... but that's the key to getting great tone out of it.
And the early TonePumps, before the trim pot... was a hot... often mess. But the Trim Pot fixed a lot. As did the changes the engineer made to it. Turn it down when you get your Euro to about 1/2 way and it makes the world of difference.
I'm also somewhat of a purist. And if Stuart says, "I feel this best represents the sound I'm going for..." I don't question it. And Stuart helped DESIGN the TonePump.
Listen to the NIN bass tracks I did with my Euro4LX and tell me if you think that it has a bad sound because of the TonePump... Really. It's all in how you set it up.

Those bass tracks sound great, no argument here. If it is all in the setup, then Stuart's not doing himself any favors by letting them out of the factory "not set up." In all seriousness, every Tonepump I've heard sucks. Terribly. To the point where, trying one out in a store, I would not (and more importantly DID not) consider that bass. If it makes that big of a difference, perhaps they should consider cutting the volume before letting them out the door.

The older Euro5 you messed with. Did it have a pearl dot neck? It was probably a 34" scale Euro5. And yes, that's why most 5ers are 35". You don't get the same string tension.

No, I'm thinking it was a Euro - pretty sure they both were. Crown inlays, one had the TP pre, the whole shebang.


The older Euros had Solid Brass Bridges and Nuts, which were matte (dull finished) which goes along with what I suspected about the 34" scale.
Newer Euro models have a Brass-Zinc finish which is polished. I've worn the finish off my 8 month old Euro's bridge in one spot where I rest my palm if playing with a pick. I actually prefer the solid brass myself.

The bright one was weird - almost looked like plastic it was so bright. The nut looked and felt exactly the same, so I'm guessing it was the same material. Maybe the guy just really babied his stuff. I should have written down the serial. It was smeared a bit, but I think it was something like N8156.


Yup, silver bridge, like what you'd see on a Fender? The issue with the performer was never the tone, it was the quality control with the Chinese factory that we contracted with to do them. Each shipment was a little less nice than the one before. And the clear-coat on those was brittle over time. Lots of chips and cracks would appear in the finishes.
But they played well and sounded great for an entry level bass.

It had black hardware, which is why I'm thinking Performer Deluxe. Splitting hairs either way, as I could definitely see the QC issues.
 
You are NOT alone on this at all. I HATE plastic on my instruments (BTW JP, your argument about the Bently having plastic knobs was fun :) but not parallel in my universe! heh heh)... but, I'm not sure these are plastic (are they JP?). They certainly are not the default plastic knobs (angled top) usually seen on Spectors. These kinda look like the b!tchin' Sadowsky knobs... which are metal BTW. I'm not sure, but these might not be plastic.
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For all you plastic knobs haters, if you want to get sell em' (or if ya' want to give them to me...;) ) send me a PM. I've got a couple of basses I would like to add the Spector knobs to. :)
 
For all you plastic knobs haters, if you want to get sell em' (or if ya' want to give them to me...;) ) send me a PM. I've got a couple of basses I would like to add the Spector knobs to. :)

Just to let you plastic Spector Knob haters know... the black metal knobs that Alderburg likes... they are standard on the USA-Bolt-on Series.

I've set up 4 USA Bolts for BPL and they all have the same black metal knobs.

:-)
 
Some of the basses present:

Two (2) 35" scale BEAD tuned Euro4LX-TW models
One (1) USA NS-2
One (1) USA Forte-4
One (1) Coda-4
One (1) Legend6-Classic
One (1) Legend4-Classic
One (1) NS-4H2-EX
One (1) NS-5H2-EX Fretless
One (1) NS-5H2 Wide Spacing

There are several other "New" models which I can't mention yet, which are making their premier at the show.

Pictures at 11...
 
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