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Spector Club Pt. 5 (Insert Clever Title Here)

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The Warwick Guys hate me. I would never do anything to represent Spector (Stuart or PJ) in a negative manner so I've toned it way down... but I love pushing their buttons.

Theft is theft. Put any pretty bow on it you want... and a box of poo for a present is still a box of poo. I think I got a fortune cookie that said that once.

T-shirt idea coming... "A box of... is like playing..." and then we take that plump German kid from Willy Wonka (the Gene Wilder one) and have him sitting there with that big grin and chocoate all over his face... a guitar in his lap.

See... I get myself in trouble. :-( Got to behave.
And I have a meeting with PJ shortly. Back later!

Speaks volumes.
You say you would never do anything to represent Spector in a negative light,imho,you've done just that.The only hate I see,is from posts like yours,online.Never in the actual world,face to face,with people.
I moderate the Warwick forum for the last 4 years,I have the highest number of posts,& I can assure you nobody "hates" you because of your affiliation with Spector.We have Spector & Warwick owners(& even a Spector dealer)as members,& there's absolutely zero negativety,or hate,or any other silly & juvenile behaviour.
If you bought Spector,congrats.You own an excellent bass.Same with Warwick,imho.But this hatred you speak of is pretty much non exsistent.In the offline world.
 
so much talk about the features of the back and no pics of the back :p
It wasn't really the main purpose of the post, but.....
SpectorLegend64.jpg

I'll take one close up if you need it. :smug:
 
Speaks volumes.
You say you would never do anything to represent Spector in a negative light,imho,you've done just that.The only hate I see,is from posts like yours,online.Never in the actual world,face to face,with people.
I moderate the Warwick forum for the last 4 years,I have the highest number of posts,& I can assure you nobody "hates" you because of your affiliation with Spector.We have Spector & Warwick owners(& even a Spector dealer)as members,& there's absolutely zero negativety,or hate,or any other silly & juvenile behaviour.
If you bought Spector,congrats.You own an excellent bass.Same with Warwick,imho.But this hatred you speak of is pretty much non exsistent.In the offline world.

I would agree that it is a silly thing for people to get upset with complete strangers over something as trivial as owning a certain brand of guitar or disliking another. That being said, on a couple of forums here on TB when someone has spoken of the history between WW and Spector incorrectly I've have taken the time to politely educate them (once or twice).

I have absolutely been flamed for stating facts by members of your forum. Or perhaps not member, but member here on TB who claim to be WW owners/players. I never start the fights other than to politely say... "Yeah... it didn't happen like that... you can go ... here... here... or here... to learn about what did." And in several instances I've been verbally attacked.

Recently on one of the WW forums someone called me a "A Spector fanboy living out some proxy butthurt syndrome"... It doesn't exactly have that hate-free, lovey-dovey feel about it. Would you agree? I personally found it to be quite creative and funny. I appreciated the thought that the poster put into it; he's my kind of guy. And I told him so. He's actually a very nice guy, very smart. I've met many, many nice people while discussing our positions on this or that. In agreement or not. And if I offend someone by accident I am the first to stand up and apologize.

So that being said, if my attempt at humor (because the post was supposed to funny, not inflaming) was offensive to you, I am sincerely sorry.

I've never said that WW makes anything but nice guitars. I've pointed out that some of their designs are not the most original but I know that some of their high-end basses are exactly what a high-end bass should be. I used the "flavors of ice cream" analogy, you know... "some you love others your don't and it just a personal choice." I've also pointed out that there are many bassists who don't care for either make. Freedom of choice is an excellent thing, IMHO.

And I think just recently I posted on another forum here on TB what you said about regardless of the choice they are both nice and you should be happy/proud to own a guitar that helps you better express yourself, WW, Spector... it doesn't matter, just love what you do. I said that passion regarding the things you enjoy is a wonderful thing.

I've never expressed any hate for anyone. I have made my feelings known about many things that I don't care for but at the same time I've made it clear that it's just my opinion.

What I said above, about the little German kid, chocolate, etc... is tongue in cheek. Was I trying to be cruel, mean-spirited, hateful?

No.

It was meant to be humorous, clearly adolescent, juvenille humor but as a male I reserve the right to grab a dose of potty humor off the shelf regardless of my age. As my wife points out... men are just big children anyway.

For myself, being a visual artist I find the image it conjures to be very humorous in an ironic sort of way. But would I waste the energy to actually do something like that?

No.

Would I have a face-to-face conversation with someone regarding my feelings over this subject? Sure, I have many times already. And did/would that conversation turn ugly? Of course not.

Without question, no.

So it appears to have pressed some button with you that you decided to drop in and let me know how innappropriate you found it. Again, sorry that it upset you so. If you read back to the previous posts I was simple throwing an attempt at humor in the pot where others had already started cooking the recipe.

I know I've posted on the forum you moderate. You've had plenty of opportunities to attempt to correct my "hateful" attitude before now so I am curious about what prompted you to do so now? It just seems a little, I don't know... it almost feels like you have some sort of agenda for your post. Especially knowing you've seen my postings on this subject in your own forums. I've made my feelings on the subject very clear. Feel free to PM me if you like. And if not...

No worries. It's all good. Perhaps I can talk you into purchasing a Spector so you can join our club officially? As you said, they are "Excellent Basses"...

:)
 
No, no, I was crediting you when I said that.
I was actually ribbing humpy thumb. :p

OK. Sorry! I misunderstood what you were saying.
But I meant what I said.

I'm going to love it when the site goes live and you can check it out.

I WANT people to email me with issues, typos, etc... That just helps me make it better.

So I sincerely meant that I'm looking forward to your feedback.

Everyone who's a member here... all of your opinions are important to me.
 
I would agree that it is a silly thing for people to get upset with complete strangers over something as trivial as owning a certain brand of guitar or disliking another. That being said, on a couple of forums here on TB when someone has spoken of the history between WW and Spector incorrectly I've have taken the time to politely educate them (once or twice).

I have absolutely been flamed for stating facts by members of your forum. Or perhaps not member, but member here on TB who claim to be WW owners/players. I never start the fights other than to politely say... "Yeah... it didn't happen like that... you can go ... here... here... or here... to learn about what did." And in several instances I've been verbally attacked.

Recently on one of the WW forums someone called me a "A Spector fanboy living out some proxy butthurt syndrome"... It doesn't exactly have that hate-free, lovey-dovey feel about it. Would you agree? I personally found it to be quite creative and funny. I appreciated the thought that the poster put into it; he's my kind of guy. And I told him so. He's actually a very nice guy, very smart. I've met many, many nice people while discussing our positions on this or that. In agreement or not. And if I offend someone by accident I am the first to stand up and apologize.

So that being said, if my attempt at humor (because the post was supposed to funny, not inflaming) was offensive to you, I am sincerely sorry.

I've never said that WW makes anything but nice guitars. I've pointed out that some of their designs are not the most original but I know that some of their high-end basses are exactly what a high-end bass should be. I used the "flavors of ice cream" analogy, you know... "some you love others your don't and it just a personal choice." I've also pointed out that there are many bassists who don't care for either make. Freedom of choice is an excellent thing, IMHO.

And I think just recently I posted on another forum here on TB what you said about regardless of the choice they are both nice and you should be happy/proud to own a guitar that helps you better express yourself, WW, Spector... it doesn't matter, just love what you do. I said that passion regarding the things you enjoy is a wonderful thing.

I've never expressed any hate for anyone. I have made my feelings known about many things that I don't care for but at the same time I've made it clear that it's just my opinion.

What I said above, about the little German kid, chocolate, etc... is tongue in cheek. Was I trying to be cruel, mean-spirited, hateful?

No.

It was meant to be humorous, clearly adolescent, juvenille humor but as a male I reserve the right to grab a dose of potty humor off the shelf regardless of my age. As my wife points out... men are just big children anyway.

For myself, being a visual artist I find the image it conjures to be very humorous in an ironic sort of way. But would I waste the energy to actually do something like that?

No.

Would I have a face-to-face conversation with someone regarding my feelings over this subject? Sure, I have many times already. And did/would that conversation turn ugly? Of course not.

Without question, no.

So it appears to have pressed some button with you that you decided to drop in and let me know how innappropriate you found it. Again, sorry that it upset you so. If you read back to the previous posts I was simple throwing an attempt at humor in the pot where others had already started cooking the recipe.

I know I've posted on the forum you moderate. You've had plenty of opportunities to attempt to correct my "hateful" attitude before now so I am curious about what prompted you to do so now? It just seems a little, I don't know... it almost feels like you have some sort of agenda for your post. Especially knowing you've seen my postings on this subject in your own forums. I've made my feelings on the subject very clear. Feel free to PM me if you like. And if not...

No worries. It's all good. Perhaps I can talk you into purchasing a Spector so you can join our club officially? As you said, they are "Excellent Basses"...

:)

It's all good. Thanks for taking the time to explain all of this.
I'm a bit confused though. I moderate the Warwick forum,(forum.warwick.de) not the Warwick Owner's Club, on Talkbass.I was a numbered member, But forgot my number when I edited my signature.
Any posts like the one you mentioned, about being a butthurt Spector fanboy etc, would'nt be tolerated, & the offending member reminded of our rules. We're a pretty respectful lot, compared to other forums.
When I'm visiting talkbass, I sometimes forget that I should probably bite my tongue, rather than get into it. Dont get me wrong, talkbass' good, but it is the biggest forum, & because of that, ya gotta take the good, with the bad.
Re. Talking me into purchasing a Spector?
It would'nt take much pursuasion, I've come real close to pulling the trigger on an older model LX, more than once. A buckeye burl topped beauty would've been mine had the dealer priced it a bit cheaper. It had a cracked top. That didnt bother me at all, the amount of discount because of that put me off.:mad:
Oh well, some day.
 
It's all good. Thanks for taking the time to explain all of this.
I'm a bit confused though. I moderate the Warwick forum,(forum.warwick.de) not the Warwick Owner's Club, on Talkbass.I was a numbered member, But forgot my number when I edited my signature.
Any posts like the one you mentioned, about being a butthurt Spector fanboy etc, would'nt be tolerated, & the offending member reminded of our rules. We're a pretty respectful lot, compared to other forums.
When I'm visiting talkbass, I sometimes forget that I should probably bite my tongue, rather than get into it. Dont get me wrong, talkbass' good, but it is the biggest forum, & because of that, ya gotta take the good, with the bad.
Re. Talking me into purchasing a Spector?
It would'nt take much pursuasion, I've come real close to pulling the trigger on an older model LX, more than once. A buckeye burl topped beauty would've been mine had the dealer priced it a bit cheaper. It had a cracked top. That didnt bother me at all, the amount of discount because of that put me off.:mad:
Oh well, some day.

I apologize, I thought you were speaking of the forums here on TB. Sorry!

No I think it would serve no good for me to actually visit a forum dedicated to WW. I have to be honest that forget the past, forget anything about any issues between Spector and WW... I've played a few WW models and they're just not for me. Nice basses. Like I said the higher-end ones are very nice. It just wasn't a fit for me. So I'd have no reason other than being deliberately negative and of course, I really don't go around acting that way. You can find enough trouble just walking down the street minding your own business, who wants to go looking for some?

And I never get upset with people expressing their feelings. It is what it is. The more passionate a person is about their life, the more they seem to live. Where would the world be today without passonate, tortured artists? So I don't ever take things personally. So no worries at all.

I hope that one day you do get that "Spector of your dreams." I've been in love with Spector basses since watching Sting perform with one back in 1983 (I was a teenager).

One last thing... my last name is Stern. Want to take a guess as to where my family is from? I love German engineering. My day job is that I am a cinematographer/Director of Photography in Hollywood. I use Arriflex Motion Picture Cameras all day long. I actually own two. Best cameras in the world. I love the quality of Mercedes... can't seem to pull that trigger. Cars are such a bad thing to spend money on... but I really appreciate the quality of most German engineering.

It just happens that I am loyal to a fault and Stuart Spector and PJ Rubal, besides being my clients (I'm currently developing a bunch of stuff for them) are my friends. So it is very true in a way what that TB'er posted about me having a "proxy syndrome"... things that hurt my friends upset me.

So I am very vocal, I try to be respectful and/or logical, I only quote facts that they are publically known, and I try to make sure the person I'm sparring with knows it's nothing personal. I've actually made friends with several WW players this way. I usually tell them to "Come over from the dark-side" as a joke.

I will make goofy, childish references like the "Augustus Gloop" comment. But they are meant to give someone else a chuckle. Nothing more. That's what I meant by never representing Stuart and PJ in a bad way. Jokes are jokes. But I'd never actually do something like that or encourage anyone else to. It's such a waste of time. Nothing good would ever come from that sort of deliberate nonsense.

Thanks for being understanding and pleasant. Have a great day!
 
It wasn't really the main purpose of the post, but.....
SpectorLegend64.jpg

I'll take one close up if you need it. :smug:

didnt so much need it as was curious (im debating getting a 6er of some kind so im checking around just about everything)
I have to say thats an interesting mating of body and neck, is it ergonomic/feel confortable, or is it just some sort of visual design dealy?

Also whats the profile like? Nice and flat on the back, or all rounded?
 
I'm going to love it when the site goes live and you can check it out.

I WANT people to email me with issues, typos, etc... That just helps me make it better.

So I sincerely meant that I'm looking forward to your feedback.

Everyone who's a member here... all of your opinions are important to me.

So, when is it coming? I've been checking in here and at the Spector url weekly and don't want to miss anything.
 
didnt so much need it as was curious (im debating getting a 6er of some kind so im checking around just about everything)
I have to say thats an interesting mating of body and neck, is it ergonomic/feel confortable, or is it just some sort of visual design dealy?

Also whats the profile like? Nice and flat on the back, or all rounded?
The heel doesn't doesn't bother me at all.
The neck is much thinner than my Rebop 5 DLX and I have no neck dive issues (unlike the Rebop). The Rebop had the thickest, heaviest neck I'd ever felt on any bass I've ever owned (been playing pro for over 30 years). I've owned many Spectors and the Rebop just felt almost like a different brand of bass.
 
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