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Split coil J pickups, close to a P?

May 29, 2017
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Was looking at the dimarzio web site and it appears all their Jazz bass pickups are humbucking split coils, like a p bass pickup. Also Fender has a noiseless Jazz pickup, probably other companies too.

So... if you drop one in the neck position, you basically have right there a P bass sound? I know soloing the neck J pickup is already pretty close.

Also, this would basically make your bass a PJ in all but looks?
 
Because the J neck-pickup location is different from the P pickup location it will never sound identical. P & J pickups also differ from one another electrically.
That said, it could likely be argued that a stacked coil J pickup is closer sonically to a P pickup than is a stock single coil J pickup.
 
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While pickup position has some effect on overall tone, think about the construction of the pickup. P bass pickups are low and wide and Jazz bass pickups are higher and narrow. This is a bigger factor in the sound they reproduce. I also think that a VVTT Jazz can sound a little closer to a P bass than a VVT Jazz.
 
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While pickup position has some effect on overall tone, think about the construction of the pickup. P bass pickups are low and wide and Jazz bass pickups are higher and narrow. This is a bigger factor in the sound they reproduce. I also think that a VVTT Jazz can sound a little closer to a P bass than a VVT Jazz.

Yeah, I don’t see a huge difference in the difference between P and J pickup position. It gets down to how big is large?
 
I believe the pup position is even more important than the pup wiring itself.....and the shape of the P pup inherently makes it impossible for a straight pup to get in the true P position, although tilting it helps. A P pup in a J position does not produce P tone IME, although it's closer in position (and therefore tone) at the neck as opposed to the bridge location.
 
It's like tetris. You can use one of these

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Or one of these

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And either one may work, but sometimes you need exactly the right shape to accomplish a desired outcome :D
 
I put DiMarzio Humbuckers (Model P + Area J) into a Squier PJ and it was night and day. The stock J at best was to round out the stock P but now it's an amazing solo-able pickup. The P is lightyears better also and the breadth of sounds available with the combo is pure joy.
They, however are totally different sounding. The J sounds nothing like any P I've ever played, just a very different J from the stock J.
 
Yeah, I don’t see a huge difference in the difference between P and J pickup position. It gets down to how big is large?

I don't think he was talking about position, but more the construction of the pickup. The positions are indeed quite similar, for the E and A strings. The D and G strings are a different story. But for E and A, I don't think that's the deciding factor. But pickup construction/architecture (probably) is.

If you look under the hood (or just estimate by looking at the shape of the pickup housing), the P pickup is quite a bit wider than the J. The coil wire on a P is wound shallower and wider - indeed so much wider, that you could not place a P bass coil inside a J pickup housing. A split coil J is only split to achieve hum-cancelling, but is wound like a J pickup - tall and narrow. Even a Model J, which is indeed pretty fat sounding. But it's not just that P and J are physically not the same - as a result, they don't sound the same. Some say it's the aperture, some say it's because of the position of the coil/wires inside the magnetic field. I don't know, it's above my pay grade. But they sound different.

An interesting pickup is Nordstrand 51 J (or something like that, cant remember the name). It's a split coil 51P pickup in J housing. That might be another interesting beast, a take on the 51P SCPB pickup, but split. Some say that the Fralin 51P sounds a lot like the good ol' regular (57) split P. I doubt it, because like the J pickup it's tall and narrow, but maybe it does sound like it because of the single pole per string design? Someone should try them all in one bass and make good sound clips!

What I do find can get you closer is using loading capacitors and resistors to fine-tune the resonant peak. Again, not quite the same thing, but a smidge closer I think. A lot cheaper than new pickups too, and you can use that with any passive pickup design :)
 
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While pickup position has some effect on overall tone, think about the construction of the pickup. P bass pickups are low and wide and Jazz bass pickups are higher and narrow. This is a bigger factor in the sound they reproduce...

This is the correct answer, I believe.

Sometimes I quote a comment that Carey Nordstrand made here several years ago. For more context you can read some of that thread, but this part of his statement sums it up:

To me, the thing that makes a P pickup sound like a P pickup is the short fat coil.
 
There is a lot of variation among the many different P pickups out there, and there is a lot of variation the many different J pickups out there, but there is relatively little overlap between the two varieties.
 
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