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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

Welp, my gig tonight probably couldn't have gone any worse. Guitarist/vocalist breaks both his bottom E and A strings half way into the first song. I tell him to just pull out his backup but he tells me he didn't bring it. So what does he do? Proceeds to restring his guitar on stage. In an attempt to make the situation less awkward, the drummer and I locked into a nice filler groove with the use of my flanger. Tell you what, I was considering offloading the BF-3 these last few days but now its pretty much earned permanency on my board haha.
So the guitarist decides "I'm taking too long here" and just flat out leaves out the A string and doesn't bother to tune up the E string properly. As you can imagine, that made for some absolutely laughable riffing and chords. We crank into the next song and, lo and behold, the singer decides to scream every line for absolutely no legitimate reason. That and any actually sung lines were so off and so terrible, I literally had to look away from the audience out of embarrassment. He then belts out this horrid broken scream at the end of a mellower song which made me, and I'm sure many others, wince. After that song ended I actually heard a woman in the crowd say "Wow, even HE's shocked by it" presumably making reference to me.
To add insult to injury, the sound guy tells us over the monitors that we have one more song to play. At this point, we had only played three songs and been on stage for a total of 20 minutes of our 30 minute slot. Any other gig I would have cracked the ***** but considering the circumstances, I was thrilled to be getting off the stage that soon. We finished our set and I tore down my gear the fastest I ever have.

My only consolation about tonight is that I was able to do a little improv which I never thought I was able to pull off. It sounded good, I locked in with the drummer brilliantly and we even got some kind words for it after our set. A couple of members from the other bands came up to us and said things like "Nice save" and asked me about my effects. Of course, one of them asked "So what's up with your singer? He on something?" to which I replied "Unfortunately, no. That's just him".

So yeah..bit of a wall of text but I just felt like venting a little. What cuts me the most is that I know the vocalist/guitarist isn't going to take anything away from this experience and he's just gonna keep ****ing things up because apparently not giving a **** makes him look cool. There's no hope for him and unfortunately I've learned that far too late. I don't particularly like being on the end of a joke (which is what I feel manly people look at this band as) and I fear this crap is gonna hurt my reputation personally, which I normally wouldn't admit to caring about but if I want to take my music seriously then I suppose I need some sort of dignity). I'm gonna put myself out there to join a new band that I'd enjoy playing for. Once that's locked in, I'm ditching old mate's band for the better.

Ooof, that's rough. Sorry to hear about the gig troubles, but it sounds like you and the drummer did the best with what you had. Finding another band seems like a good plan, unfortunately one bad band member reflects on the whole group.
 
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El raro. Damn sorry you had to experience that.
We've all been there to some degree. You never really know how a band is going to work out until it's been through ashity gig. Some folks cannot make rational choices when they're stressed as evidenced by your singer's deviation from the plan.
I'll never forget what a bandmate said before a particularly bad gig, "I've got something special planned for the gig. I think you'll like the surprise."
We didn't and homie got kicked out shortly after.
My opinion is don't f' with the band image or anyone's reputation at a gig.
No airing dirty laundry at gigs and never try new poopie before a crowd.
The idea is to get the crowd to come back right?
Some folks just don't get it.
Good luck dude, hope things pan out.
 
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$20/hr? **** this, I'm moving to the States. The cheapest rates I can find here for RECORDING ALONE is $65/hr :/

In other news, I just had a 15 minute nap in the toilets at work. No one even noticed.

Low rates are the benefit of being part time and freelance. I don't have a studio, I'm mostly doing field recording or setting stuff up temporarily in a warehouse space I have access to. My home office is converted into a mixing suite, with acoustic treatment. So I do all my mixing and some lightweight recording there. I can do everything but drums there, though not at full volume for guitar and bass. I record my demo tracks here at home, with a 1x10 for bass and a 2x12 for guitar and I sometimes record vocals for paid projects here as well.

My mixing rates are actually a bit of an issue lately. My rate is usually for recording and an attended mixing session, but now I'm starting to get into just doing mix work and I've been debating about using a different rate structure or flat rate system per song for mixing projects. I have reservations about it though, because demands of mixing can vary so wildly from project to project. I think people worry about paying by the hour, as if it's just an open ended ticket, but I'm pretty efficient with my time and usually just give people an estimate off the bat, once I get some info about the project. If I knew exactly what every job really was and what the client really wanted, it would be easy. When I record something myself, I'm typically either doing some editing and getting a rough idea of the final mix as we go...or I'm so familiar with it by the time I start mixing that I can just dive in and get everything roughed out for a first pass easily. With tracks that have been recorded by other people, you never know what you're going to get. That's why when I do mix only jobs, I usually try to have an in depth conversation with the client and get some reference material beforehand, so I at least have a direction to head in. Some bands trust me to have a vision with it and make it sound "good" to a general taste (metal, punk, indie rock, dance, whatever), some are super nitpicky and get hung up on getting the hihat to sound just right or everyone wants their instrument louder. The latter are usually attended mix sessions though and I get a tingling in my brain about when that stuff is coming and try to head them off and get them on the same page before mixing.
 
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El raro. Damn sorry you had to experience that.
We've all been there to some degree. You never really know how a band is going to work out until it's been through ashity gig. Some folks cannot make rational choices when they're stressed as evidenced by your singer's deviation from the plan.
I'll never forget what a bandmate said before a particularly bad gig, "I've got something special planned for the gig. I think you'll like the surprise."
We didn't and homie got kicked out shortly after.
My opinion is don't f' with the band image or anyone's reputation at a gig.
No airing dirty laundry at gigs and never try new **** before a crowd.
The idea is to get the crowd to come back right?
Some folks just don't get it.
Good luck dude, hope things pan out.
That sums it up nicely. file this under "Being a pro, not an amateur f***-wad."
 
El Raro, just make sure you have the drummer in your pocket. Guitar players are available in every market, but a really good, tight rhythm section is a rare find. you guys will be able to find another guitarist, I'm sure.

I concur, why start an entire new band from scratch if the drummer is 'aight? Just tell your vocalist/guitarist to get lost and find someone willing to bring a backup instrument.
 
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That was my starfish, and I do believe it was a victim of some high-octane Mexican food-like products.

Actually you had eaten a pint of Ben and Jerries. Yes I remember poopie like that... Literally.

Like the Eskimo's sending Granny out onto the ice because she couldn't chew the blubber anymore?

Exactly.

If you can't club a baby seal and harness it's fatty energy you ain't equipped to live... That goes for anyone regardless of culture.
~ Drunken Inuit Proverb

Anytime I mention any new gear, the first thing my wife asks now is: "Can you flip it for what you paid?"

Did she ask that after you two got hitched?

I got those two Hardwire pedals in the other day and the ol lady said but I thought you were putting away money for vacation this fall. But babe I just sold my Octron for good cash and I already have my cash saved for the trip plus I will probably flip these anyway. But I blew my argument yesterday when I saw that Joyo Ultimate Drive on the classifieds that the guy customized and now that is on the way to me, and of course I will be buying some other octave pedal(s) lol.

Why you drop the octron again??
 
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Some accolades of the guy we are recording with in mid June. poopie! I can't wait. Never been in a high level studio before.

Found a mooer clone of a rat clone...
Anyone hear about Eno pedals? $40 for a DR-1S. I was told by another bass player, a ska bass player, my tone was a little muddy. I think the rat will give me the grind I am looking for.
 
I reciently tuned my p-bass down to A# and it's been great, the tone and sustain really came to life after using standard 4 string sets for drop C tuning. Only problem is my Pharaoh now seems unable to retain the low end, which didn't happen when I was tuned to drop C (quite the opposite, actually).

Is this a common issue with Pharaohs? I'd be very sad if I had to take if off my board :(
 
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I reciently tuned my p-bass to A# and it's been great, the tone and sustain really came to life after using standard 4 string sets for drop C tuning. Only problem is my Pharaoh seems unable to retain the low end, which didn't happen when I was tuned to drop C (quite the opposite, actually).

Is this a common issue with Pharaohs? I'd be very sad if I had to take if off my board :(

The bass I use for most of my demos is a Precision tuned to B and I found the Pharaoh to be lacking in the lows. At least not responding the way I like on the lows. I have a couple clips comparing it directly with some other pedals. I love it on guitar, but I don't care for it much on bass for my tastes in fuzz. It really does depend on your taste though. I think you could probably MAKE it sound more bassy, but if you're comparing it against other pedals that are better suited, it's a little shy on the low end, comparatively.

Here's a playlist with the shootout I did. Starts with just the amp, same settings and everyone on ever clip, just different pedals:

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Found a mooer clone of a rat clone...
Anyone hear about Eno pedals? $40 for a DR-1S. I was told by another bass player, a ska bass player, my tone was a little muddy. I think the rat will give me the grind I am looking for.

As I understand it, Eno and Donner are also just clone circuits like Mooer's. Mooer has some more variety though, including the Bass Fog which is a Zvex Mammoth clone. For something as generic as the RAT circuit though, I'd definitely go for the DR-1S if I was you. No reason to pay twice as much to get the Mooer one.
 
Anyone have experience with both the Fuzzrocious Demon and the Joyo Ultimate Drive?

I use two UDs just now, one for low-medium gain and one for high gain. I'm tempted to switch to a Demon with a second gain setting because
a) less hassle switching between dirt settings
b) I notice a tiny bit of low-end loss on the lower gain settings
c) more pedalboard space
b) shiny thing make it all better

Is it worth it, or should I just stick with what I have?


I've got a Demon with dual gain. First off, it sounds fantastic.

I'm not a hundred percent confident recommending the dual gain option for the simple fact that there is only one volume knob, shared by both gain knobs. It means that if I set volume levels with one gain setting, then the other gain setting is too loud or too quiet.

In practice, it means I have to keep the two gain knobs very near each other with respect to gain level, so that the volume jump is not too drastic - which is not what I wanted.

In sum, if I did re order, I'd get dual volume controls to go with the dual gain controls, which basically means two pedals. Get two demons in small enclosures.