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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

#40,781
askrere said:
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This into the gk and bassic is quite awesome. So far univibe and step phase modes on the Marshall are my favorite. I have it set for slow and deep. Keys setting so far is tremolo organ, it's infinite sustain and throb combined with the slow vibe make a heart beat, the step phase just a super creepy sequencer. I can totally see this with an expression pedal kicking ass. Lap steel will love it too I bet.

Need a looper...
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Take those stickers off the keys, son. :P
 
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gfen said:
Your Warlock has the double P? My Mockingbird does with a pair of white, BC Rich branded pickups, that sounds like nothing else. It's huge. I don't know if it's the wood, the mystery pups, or the double P but it's astounding. I actually bought a Fender Blacktop Jazz strictly for Fender playability and the double P sound, and it's just not the same at all.

I'm thinking about replacing the BTJ pups with something fancier. Possibly a Steve Harris sig in the neck and a quarter pounder in the bridge, a pair of GZRs, or just whatever DiMarzio Model P's I can find with the cream coloured covers because they'd probably be cheapest and easily found second hand.
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They are both P. The one that came with pickups sounded great w/ what I'm guessing is the standard late 80's or early 90's BC Rich pups. I was going to put those in one of them and I want to try the Alumitones against my better judgement in the other. Need to find a decent neck though.
 
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socialleper said:
Wow, so much good information here, I don't know where to start.
I use a 44-02 for CGCF songs no problem, but for some reason, even though the 55-02 is the same year and has the same electronics, it doesn't sound the same. If I roll it to the neck pickup I don't get the same "single coil" tone, and the bridge doesn't sound right in the mix. Its hard to explain, but it just doesn't get there. Its just a half step (technically) from C to B, but for some reason that is a gulf that can't be easily crossed. The goal was to have the two instruments sound consistent with each other. On my last CD I didn't like how I could clearly make out a huge tonal difference between the 44-02 with Barts and a 44-02 I have with Delanos. But this didn't do the trick.
It is an interesting observation that for some reason the B on a 5 seems to be a moving target for bass players while a restrung 4 works pretty easily. I'm going to try an LTD TA-600 I've used before in B this week. It just couldn't sound more different from the Lakland.
Geezer plays a Lakland P these days, and I've been looking around at those. I have trouble validating $700-$900 for a just a P bass, an instrument that sounds the same whether its $300 or $1500. I've been fishing around for a Ibanez RB 650, and I'm also considering a Yamaha BB424x\425X (I dig Jimmy Bain's tone back on Dio's early albums), or even a cheap LTD Vintage 204\214. I like PJ basses more than Ps.
I don't like 99% of Ampeg's cabs, but man, I can't deny that a 8x10 fridge sounds nice. There is just no way in hell for me to move one of those damn things. When I see these guys lugging around their heavy tube heads and solid wood Emperor look-alike cabs, it makes my back hurt just thinking about it. Since I've spent very little time with tube bass heads, I can't help but wonder if I'm not missing something. The snob in me wants to get into them, but the practical part of me loves throwing my Shuttle head over over my shoulder while I lift a GK Neo 112 with each hand. Grass Is Greener mentality, right?
My philosophy on bass is similar, in that it needs to find its own space. The soundscape that is considered the norm for Doom\Stoner is somewhat narrow. If you thin the guitars out or have the bass play with a raspier tone a la 80s thrash, you basically end up with classic heavy metal. My personal observation is that the heavily saturated, wooly, down tuned tones in this genre don't leave a lot of space for the bass. Sleep pans their stuff so both Al and Matt have their space. I often have trouble hearing Leo Smee over Gaz's thick guitars, but when I do, I dig it. Unless I'm wearing good headphones I can never hear Troy Sanders or Brian Richie. Maybe I'm listening to it wrong, but I'm not sure why Electric Wizard has a bass player, I can never make him out. I like the bass on the new Kylesa, but I think their volume swings give them more room for the bass.
If I go over the guitar it just doesn't sound right, if I go under them, its a muddy mess and I can't make out what I'm playing. I dunno, I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it. Of course I can't ask the guitar players because they really only care about their playing and rarely notice anything I'm going. When we went into the studio last, it was the first time they heard half the fills I'd been doing for a year. Balls.
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The old Ibanez Musician basses sound really good. Same with Yamaha BBs. My friend's dad used to have an old, neck through one in forest green. Very nice bass, was switchable active/passive.

If you like the Ampeg fridge but don't want to deal with something that big and heavy, there's the Berg NV610. Also some of the people on here are rocking Greenboy Dually cabs.

My 2000S 2x15 looks much heavier than it is, as it has neo speakers now. So while it looks like it must weigh a ton, it's actually pretty easy to move.

Some doom is mixed better than other doom. There's a trend of bass-less sludge bands right now, and it kinda works in studio, but so far most of them that I've heard don't sound that great live.

Old Electric Wizard I find the bass relatively easy to pick out on, but then, they were a trio at the time: Dopethrone. Actually, listening to a track from their last album, the bass is actually the loudest thing in the mix, even on crappy laptop speakers. As far as bass finding its own space... I actually find that in doom, a lot of TB's more cliche advice seems to work... namely, basically taking over the low mids. The uglier the solo tone, the better it will probably work in a dense mix like you have in doom. A lot of bass in doom is overdriven, so doesn't have as much difference in sustain with the guitars as you might expect (also true due to the volume).

Tube heads really shine when turned up (which, of course, they are in doom). Though lots of people use solid state heads, too, even sometimes for guitar.

Maybe get another 44-02 and put it in BEAD?
 
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Korladis said:
The old Ibanez Musician basses sound really good. Same with Yamaha BBs. My friend's dad used to have an old, neck through one in forest green. Very nice bass, was switchable active/passive.

If you like the Ampeg fridge but don't want to deal with something that big and heavy, there's the Berg NV610. Also some of the people on here are rocking Greenboy Dually cabs.

My 2000S 2x15 looks much heavier than it is, as it has neo speakers now. So while it looks like it must weigh a ton, it's actually pretty easy to move.

Some doom is mixed better than other doom. There's a trend of bass-less sludge bands right now, and it kinda works in studio, but so far most of them that I've heard don't sound that great live.

Old Electric Wizard I find the bass relatively easy to pick out on, but then, they were a trio at the time: Dopethrone. Actually, listening to a track from their last album, the bass is actually the loudest thing in the mix, even on crappy laptop speakers. As far as bass finding its own space... I actually find that in doom, a lot of TB's more cliche advice seems to work... namely, basically taking over the low mids. The uglier the solo tone, the better it will probably work in a dense mix like you have in doom. A lot of bass in doom is overdriven, so doesn't have as much difference in sustain with the guitars as you might expect (also true due to the volume).

Tube heads really shine when turned up (which, of course, they are in doom). Though lots of people use solid state heads, too, even sometimes for guitar.

Maybe get another 44-02 and put it in BEAD?
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Maybe I'm listening for the wrong thing on the recording of Dopethrone. I'll have to spin that one again and pay closer attention.
Thanks for the advice.
 
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socialleper said:
Maybe I'm listening for the wrong thing on the recording of Dopethrone. I'll have to spin that one again and pay closer attention.
Thanks for the advice.
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No problem. It's about as overdriven as the guitar, much more-so than traditional bass.

Pelham Bleu said:
Aren't the BW 18s difficult to find? Paging @mc_muench.
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I don't know. Are they?
 
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@mc_muench The guy that made those made my much coveted Bedlam drive OCD clone. He makes some seriously cool stuff. I would have been all over that preorder if I hadn't been in the midst of final payment on my dually/ amp buying.

I need to message him and see whats going on with the bee baa fuzz he was making. I really really liked the demo videos. I think that he is a bassist primarily as well, which is great because his pedals probably all slang the low end like hey ron in the Bronx.
 
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Turkeypills said:
@mc_muench The guy that made those made my much coveted Bedlam drive OCD clone. He makes some seriously cool stuff. I would have been all over that preorder if I hadn't been in the midst of final payment on my dually/ amp buying.

I need to message him and see whats going on with the bee baa fuzz he was making. I really really liked the demo videos. I think that he is a bassist primarily as well, which is great because his pedals probably all slang the low end like hey ron in the Bronx.
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The last I heard the builder was taking a sort of hiatus. If you go to the Big Game website, there isn't anything on it.
 
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D.M.N. said:
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Im sure theyll sound decent, dont look to be real loud at 94.whatever dBs though.

Korladis said:
Peavey kvlt: I spotted an empty Peavey 3620 cab at my band's rehearsal studio complex. How much would it cost to refurbish it, do you think?
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Empty, Id do like $150 tops but start at like $100.

Ive blown every BW 18 ive ever owned, they sound good but dont last for me...I bought a Emi sigma pro 18 and am quite happy with it for $180. If I were you Id get 2 of those and then 2 Scorpion 10s and wire it all full range. No crossover cause i blow those too...

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What were the 10" speakers in the 3620?
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As mentioned above...Scorpions
 
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Just gotta say - Pharaoh Supreme and Pork Loin are killer pedals. Both are just so perfect for my rig. At their current settings, the Pharaoh is basically a dirtied, fuzzed up PL. Both are great at keeping "my tone" in tact, and just being so present in the mix.

Okay, post jam tone praise over. Just had one of those nights it all fell in to place and had to share. Back to doomin', y'all.
 
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mc_muench said:
Im sure theyll sound decent, dont look to be real loud at 94.whatever dBs though.



Empty, Id do like $150 tops but start at like $100.

Ive blown every BW 18 ive ever owned, they sound good but dont last for me...I bought a Emi sigma pro 18 and am quite happy with it for $180. If I were you Id get 2 of those and then 2 Scorpion 10s and wire it all full range. No crossover cause i blow those too...



As mentioned above...Scorpions
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Right now it's just an empty box left in the hall for free.

Could I refurbish it cheaply if I picked it up?
 

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