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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

Let's say you're getting an old Peavey 2x15 cab (215D) for cheap, and it's got the Black Widows in it........would you upgrade the speakers to handle more watts, and if so would you go for some kind of neo drivers like some uptown Faitals or are there other good bang for buck neo's out there?
Depends on the speaker version. Some of them are noice, just heavy.
 
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Took me a minute, but I knew I had seen it somewhere. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EBTVTSNH

Looks so good, I might have to pre-order one! I haven't searched for videos yet, but I like what I see.

That looks pretty good if you didn't want to shell out more for a Gibson. On the other hand, it's not bolt on, and the pickups look like regular sized Gibson's, so it doesn't really change anything for the cheap Epi Fenderbird crowd....
 
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You guys that have or have had the Sunn coliseum, what are your opinions of it? Loud stoner doom band but I do like playing thru two 810's. Need SVTCL backup/possible replacement. These can be found for around 400$.

At which Coliseum are you looking? At that price I'm guessing a Coliseum 300? That amp has an unreal EQ- one of the most tweakable I've ever used. But they aren't the loudest 300 watt and I've used for sure. As with most Sunn gear they take pedals great, but aren't going to do much in the way of dirt.
If it's a Coliseum 880 it should get you PLENTY of volume, and at $400 would be a steal if it works!
Either way they're heads I've used and enjoyed, but they're a pretty big departure from Ampeg land!
 
This followed me home. It's the shallow Peavey 215. It has an original square back Eminence driver on top and a cheesy looking lowgrade featherweight thing called KCS or something in the bottom. Now I get to read through the usual internet armchair quarterbacking hearsay about what drivers will work best....time to head over to the amps/cabs forum for some serious discourse. :eyebrow:

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Now I get to read through the usual internet armchair quarterbacking hearsay about what drivers will work best....time to head over to the amps/cabs forum for some serious discourse. :eyebrow:

Here, let me help you out with that:
"No one needs a 2x15! It's all about 4x6" neo cabs now!"
"Class D heads are vastly superior, when you grow up you'll ditch that giant tube amp!"
"Punch and clarity!"
"I only use DI and IEMs!"
"(Satori gets banned)"
 
At which Coliseum are you looking? At that price I'm guessing a Coliseum 300? That amp has an unreal EQ- one of the most tweakable I've ever used. But they aren't the loudest 300 watt and I've used for sure. As with most Sunn gear they take pedals great, but aren't going to do much in the way of dirt.
If it's a Coliseum 880 it should get you PLENTY of volume, and at $400 would be a steal if it works!
Either way they're heads I've used and enjoyed, but they're a pretty big departure from Ampeg land!
I'd love to find one
 
Here, let me help you out with that:
"No one needs a 2x15! It's all about 4x6" neo cabs now!"
"Class D heads are vastly superior, when you grow up you'll ditch that giant tube amp!"
"Punch and clarity!"
"I only use DI and IEMs!"
"(Satori gets banned)"

Hahahaha:roflmao: thanks for the laughs, made my day!

That looks pretty good if you didn't want to shell out more for a Gibson. On the other hand, it's not bolt on, and the pickups look like regular sized Gibson's, so it doesn't really change anything for the cheap Epi Fenderbird crowd....

That's true, although I have yet to really understand the draw for the fenderbird. I love the Tbird headstock look and don't mind the neck. Do you mean the regular odd black Tbird pups? I don't know a ton about Tbirds, just that I love the look and the sound of the old chrome pup ones.

I'd love to find one

Same, or at least at a reasonable price. Saw one at a pawn shop and they were asking an arm and a leg. Not even worth giving an offer.
 
So I put in these Lace Alumnibar things into the Alumnibird. So far I've just listened to them on headphones and my strings are pretty dead.....they're not a huge leap forward, but they're definitely not as dark as the Epi pickups. I'll have a better idea once I put some new strings on and play it at rehearsal later this week. They do look pretty tough, though.

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I weighed in on that thread, and absolutely.
In 1986, the second patch I applied to my denin jacket was a Led Zeppelin patch (first was an Iron Maiden). Would the be better classed as "hard rock?" Well, maybe; but at the same time lots of what they did became hallmarks of heavy metal.

Pounding drums and bass lines, searing guitar solos, high pitched vocals laden in fantasy lyrics and occult mystery. Metal as shag.

I'm not using a silly label like "proto-metal," but Led Zepp definately helped set the stage and tone for what would come after, which is why every metal band out there owes a debt of gratitude to Zepp.
 
I weighed in on that thread, and absolutely.
In 1986, the second patch I applied to my denin jacket was a Led Zeppelin patch (first was an Iron Maiden). Would the be better classed as "hard rock?" Well, maybe; but at the same time lots of what they did became hallmarks of heavy metal.

Pounding drums and bass lines, searing guitar solos, high pitched vocals laden in fantasy lyrics and occult mystery. Metal as shag.

I'm not using a silly label like "proto-metal," but Led Zepp definately helped set the stage and tone for what would come after, which is why every metal band out there owes a debt of gratitude to Zepp.
But how many other groups did that as well? To me, Sabbath is the first metal band. Many earlier groups contributed to its creation, but Sabbath embodied it. There were plenty of other driving bass and drum parts, and also lots of distortion before Zep. But The Who aren't considered metal. Nor is Deep Purple, Hendrix, or Cream. But they all have influenced metal quite a bit.

Metal owes a great deal to Zep, but they also owe a great deal to classical composers. No one says Bach is metal.

I'm not trying to bash Zep by any means, as they have earned their spot in rock history. But it seems we're trying to put them where they don't belong, and I don't think that's how they identify either.

Anyway, my two cents.
 
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But how many other groups did that as well? To me, Sabbath is the first metal band. Many earlier groups contributed to its creation, but Sabbath embodied it. There were plenty of other driving bass and drum parts, and also lots of distortion before Zep. But The Who aren't considered metal. Nor is Deep Purple, Hendrix, or Cream. But they all have influenced metal quite a bit.

Metal owes a great deal to Zep, but they also owe a great deal to classical composers. No one says Bach is metal.

I'm not trying to bash Zep by any means, as they have earned their spot in rock history. But it seems we're trying to put them where they don't belong, and I don't think that's how they identify either.

Anyway, my two cents.
I have never classified them as metal. There were bands as heavy and heavier than Zep in that time period. Blue Cheer, Groundhogs and a few other lesser knowns that have not considered themselves as metal either. As a metal kid in the early 80's I could never buy into the Zep sound but I had no problem listening to others bands in that time period.
 
I have never classified them as metal. There were bands as heavy and heavier than Zep in that time period. Blue Cheer, Groundhogs and a few other lesser knowns that have not considered themselves as metal either. As a metal kid in the early 80's I could never buy into the Zep sound but I had no problem listening to others bands in that time period.
Ditto, but I started listening to metal in the 2000s. LZ has admittedly never been at the top of my list, however. Just never got them.
 
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Actually, I'd consider Deep Purple's Machine Head to be another stunning example of the earliest form of heavy metal, even if it was classified as "hard rock" before and after.

All the "classical" inspiration is from guys like Yngwie Malmsteen and other shredders who pushed that envelope. NWOBHM bands weren't inspired by classical, they were inspired by Zeppelin (and others).

Finally, if we're going by what bands "identify" as, what do you wanna call Motorhead? Lemmy told the audience before every show what he thought they did when he'd announce, "We're Motorhead and we play Rock'n'roll." Yet I doubt you'd find anyone around who wouldn't call them "heavy metal."