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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

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Jolagh said:


Seems relevant to the discussion.
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Bummer that Al opted out. Not surprising though.

kleinenenten said:
I’m aware that the fundamental is often not the most of a note that is heard. The cab says -3 at 30hz.
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Yeah but is that measurement anechoic or with room gain?

bassboysam said:
-3db is quite a bit. 30Hz is already difficult to hear even if it was at 0db, at -3db and at louder volumes you probably won't notice a difference in low end if you filter it out because you probably are not hearing or feeling it today anyway. I have a pair of planarmagnetic headphones that have a flat response down to 10hz and even then anything below 50hz was not that audible when i tested them with a sine wave tone generator.

what you may notice is your amp may sound louder or more clear in a mix. or you may not hear a difference at all meaning, your amp probably has an HPF built in anyway.
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When I researched HPFs I came to the conclusion that I don't want one (for now, at least), because my amp has one built in. They don't advertise it though. I emailed GK to confirm (regarding the MB 800 Fusion, to be clear), and here's the response I got: "Yes, we have a HPF in the MB Fusion 800 as well as all [our] amplifiers and I would assume most amps on the market do as well. The deep switch just moves that HPF down a little lower, letting more of the sub freq. through. I would estimate its around a normal 50hz roll off and maybe moves that down to 40hz or so."

Jolagh said:
All this talk about high pass and low pass filters made me decide to pull the trigger on one of the kma tylers. Not exactly the same thing you guys were talking about but im excited to try it.
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I'm really interested in that thing, though at the moment I'm working on two separate channels out of the bass rather than splitting a single channel. Please report back with your thoughts about the Tyler!
 
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oZZma said:
Anyone have tried the Mesa M9 and could suggest some similar amps? With HUGE, definite, punchy as hell low end?
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A friend had the M6. It is a glorious amp and sounds really great through his SWR 2-15.

If I was going to look at an M9, there would only be a couple other amps I’d put in that comparison. Eden WT800, Glockenlang Soul, Carvin B1500 (the 3 space unit that weighs like 40lbs), and maybe one of the Old SWR 700 watters.
 
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JoeVictim said:
A friend had the M6. It is a glorious amp and sounds really great through his SWR 2-15.

If I was going to look at an M9, there would only be a couple other amps I’d put in that comparison. Eden WT800, Glockenlang Soul, Carvin B1500 (the 3 space unit that weighs like 40lbs), and maybe one of the Old SWR 700 watters.
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Thanks!! This sunday I'll go to the biggest music instruments warehouse in Italy (it's bigger than Thomann!!) and I'll try EVERYTHING I can find.
I hope I can find something that is close enough because if not I'm afraid I'll end up buying that non-updated Carbine, sword of Damocles included.
 
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lucas303 said:
Bummer that Al opted out. Not surprising though.



Yeah but is that measurement anechoic or with room gain?



When I researched HPFs I came to the conclusion that I don't want one (for now, at least), because my amp has one built in. They don't advertise it though. I emailed GK to confirm (regarding the MB 800 Fusion, to be clear), and here's the response I got: "Yes, we have a HPF in the MB Fusion 800 as well as all [our] amplifiers and I would assume most amps on the market do as well. The deep switch just moves that HPF down a little lower, letting more of the sub freq. through. I would estimate its around a normal 50hz roll off and maybe moves that down to 40hz or so."



I'm really interested in that thing, though at the moment I'm working on two separate channels out of the bass rather than splitting a single channel. Please report back with your thoughts about the Tyler!
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Super interesting! I play through the same head as you, so it's neat to see that GK already accounted for the possible issue. And I was a GK naysayer for a looooooong time until I decided to, you know, try one. It fits both of my bands perfectly!
 
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So the tyler came in today. I got the bass pedalboard rerouted (mostly). So far its an a+ for me. It probably took me about an hour of fidling and tweaking to get to a point where i felt like i was understanding the frequency interaction between the high and low pass filters.
Now I want to be fair, the volt thrower is a very bass friendly pedal in the first place. Its rare that i dont feel it can put out enough low end. Im just a tone chasing fool so i cant be happy with what i have.
So after about am hour i got a sound dialed in running the high passed signal through the volt thrower. I was getting a good grinding mid to high frequency distortion. So i started dialing in the low cross over and it got incredibly punchy in a way that ive never accomplished before.
To the average listener it probably is a really subtle difference between the two, but for me it was huge. Ive been dialing on the volt thrower meatsmoke rig for years and never got a punch in the chest like that from it. I think itll take alot more tweaking to get it dialed in perfectly, but the possibilities this opened for me has me super pumped up. I gotta make some more patch cables so i can get the megalith hooked into the lowpass side, but the idea of a megalith/volt thrower combo has me excited. I also want to get a pedal format compressor and run the low end through that and see if i can dial in the maximum punch through that. My ce2 chorus is responding beautifilly to just the high frequencies. So far, is it worth nearly 300 dollars? Im not so sure really, but for the tone chaser the possibilities it brings are extremely exciting.
 
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That sounds right up my alley. Thought I'd drop this off for you all. The kiddo loved playing with the knobs and helped me unbox it. Very professional and sounds great from the 5min I spent with it. I'll get better pics when I can.
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oZZma said:
Thanks!! This sunday I'll go to the biggest music instruments warehouse in Italy (it's bigger than Thomann!!) and I'll try EVERYTHING I can find.
I hope I can find something that is close enough because if not I'm afraid I'll end up buying that non-updated Carbine, sword of Damocles included.
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Sounds like a fun place. I've spent a little time with an M6 and a few walkabouts. Mostly in shops though, but they seem to have a lot of tweakability. I know I plug it around when people ask, but on your side of the pond Ashdown is easier to get. I'd recommend taking a look at the Evo IV or similar ABM heads. Close to the same feature set as the Mesa.
 
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Novarocker said:
That sounds right up my alley. Thought I'd drop this off for you all. The kiddo loved playing with the knobs and helped me unbox it. Very professional and sounds great from the 5min I spent with it. I'll get better pics when I can.
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Sounds like a fun place. I've spent a little time with an M6 and a few walkabouts. Mostly in shops though, but they seem to have a lot of tweakability. I know I plug it around when people ask, but on your side of the pond Ashdown is easier to get. I'd recommend taking a look at the Evo IV or similar ABM heads. Close to the same feature set as the Mesa.
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That dude makes solid “amps in a box”. He made both of my GK Rails pedals, and they are my absolute favorite SS grind pedals as well as dirty boosts. Fantastic little boxes.
 
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Jolagh said:
So the tyler came in today. I got the bass pedalboard rerouted (mostly). So far its an a+ for me. It probably took me about an hour of fidling and tweaking to get to a point where i felt like i was understanding the frequency interaction between the high and low pass filters.
Now I want to be fair, the volt thrower is a very bass friendly pedal in the first place. Its rare that i dont feel it can put out enough low end. Im just a tone chasing fool so i cant be happy with what i have.
So after about am hour i got a sound dialed in running the high passed signal through the volt thrower. I was getting a good grinding mid to high frequency distortion. So i started dialing in the low cross over and it got incredibly punchy in a way that ive never accomplished before.
To the average listener it probably is a really subtle difference between the two, but for me it was huge. Ive been dialing on the volt thrower meatsmoke rig for years and never got a punch in the chest like that from it. I think itll take alot more tweaking to get it dialed in perfectly, but the possibilities this opened for me has me super pumped up. I gotta make some more patch cables so i can get the megalith hooked into the lowpass side, but the idea of a megalith/volt thrower combo has me excited. I also want to get a pedal format compressor and run the low end through that and see if i can dial in the maximum punch through that. My ce2 chorus is responding beautifilly to just the high frequencies. So far, is it worth nearly 300 dollars? Im not so sure really, but for the tone chaser the possibilities it brings are extremely exciting.
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Ever tried an Iron Pig? I got a Volt Thrower over a year ago, and while I liked it, I always felt I was fighting it. Got an iron Pig a month ago or so, and it’s amazing. Definitely prefer it to my Volt Thrower. Like you said, though, it’s probably not a big difference to most, but it’s huge to me.

For reference, I’m using the Iron Pig as more of a loose fuzzy tone as an alternate for my Pharaoh Supreme (Muff). Both VT and Iron Pig can get close, but the attack knob on the IP seems to be the factor for me. I fight the treble on the VT, but the IP let’s me fine tune the attack which is perfect. If you’re going for tighter, more distortion-y tones, though, both are fantastic. I’m just wanting looser distortion, I guess.
 
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kleinenenten said:
That dude makes solid “amps in a box”. He made both of my GK Rails pedals, and they are my absolute favorite SS grind pedals as well as dirty boosts. Fantastic little boxes.
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Couldn't say it better. Spent some time with it this morning. "Hot damn!" is about all I could manage with how blown away I've been in 20min of fiddling. I really dig the simplicity of the controls on the amp side. Lots of ability with just 4 knobs. The fuzz is rad too, nasty in all the right places. Ragged to splatty, and the blend is different but allows much better fine tuning than most I've worked with without losing too much of the fuzz presence.

I was looking for a DI, and I've always wanted to try a 360. What I learned when looking them up is the head was just a preamp. So this pedal is essentially the exact same thing, just fit into a small case.

Anyway, back to playing that fuzz...
 
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Novarocker said:
Couldn't say it better. Spent some time with it this morning. "Hot damn!" is about all I could manage with how blown away I've been in 20min of fiddling. I really dig the simplicity of the controls on the amp side. Lots of ability with just 4 knobs. The fuzz is rad too, nasty in all the right places. Ragged to splatty, and the blend is different but allows much better fine tuning than most I've worked with without losing too much of the fuzz presence.

I was looking for a DI, and I've always wanted to try a 360. What I learned when looking them up is the head was just a preamp. So this pedal is essentially the exact same thing, just fit into a small case.

Anyway, back to playing that fuzz...
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Didn’t realize the preamp thing. Even cooler. Never really heard much about Acoustic amps before, except that the 360 is supposed to be awesome. Anybody big into heavy stuff ever play one?
 

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