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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

#50,001
bassboysam said:
the labels were losing money and sales before streaming. napster basically killed the industry 20 years ago. the general public does not want to spend money on music anymore, at least not more than the $10 per month for streaming. you can be DIY but the reality is no one will hear your music.

honestly i have no desire to own and house thousands of CDs or LPs. and now managing my digital library has become a pain. need storage space and backups or pay for cloud storage. with cloud what happens if your provider goes bankrupt?

streaming is as hassle free as it gets.
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I have nothing against streaming itself, but even among all the competitors, Spotify is the one that despite being the most popular (=making much more money with subscriptions) pays the lowest
Anyways, I doubt those 0,0007 cents for stream would save your company from bankruptcy. To me, it feels more like a "prestige" choice. Like if bands, labels, people in general, perceive a band as "serious", "professional", ONLY IF it's on Spotify, FB, Instagram, etc. Like needing to be insitutionalized by a logo and the fact of being represented there. It's a horrifying way of thinking. And show me one so-called independent band that did not surrender to this :atoz:
 
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I picked these up yesterday for a good deal. Excited to try them out with my rig.
 
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oZZma said:
It's kinda like if bands were afraid to disappear from the world if they are not on Spotify, Instagram, Facebook, Amazon and all those crap companies that have taken control of basically everything
I have been thinking about this thing a lot lately. Did you know that FUGAZI sell their stuff on Amazon? The crappiest of all crap companies? Treating workers like s@#t and not paying taxes and producing tons of unnecessary package? What the f... ??
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I don't order anything from Amazon unless I get an Amazon gift card as a gift and I usually let the person know to please NOT get me one as a gift again in the future. I hate Amazon.
 
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oZZma said:
To me, it feels more like a "prestige" choice. Like if bands, labels, people in general, perceive a band as "serious", "professional", ONLY IF it's on Spotify, FB, Instagram, etc. Like needing to be insitutionalized by a logo and the fact of being represented there. It's a horrifying way of thinking. And show me one so-called independent band that did not surrender to this :atoz:
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Speaking of which, I heard this rad new band back in August called Tool. Apparently they dropped 5 albums at one time and have since dropped another! It's crazy, I can't believe these guys are a new band! :thumbsup:
 
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JBOWLES said:
Big music labels = broader distribution. That’s about the only advantage anymore.
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Yeah, and the streaming/download services are basically distribution as well. I don't know of any label that turned down wider distribution.

I manage my record/cd collection by putting them in alphabetical order again every few years. I've bought a duplicate of a comp or two over the years, but I generally know what I have in there. It is harder to remember what's there since it went over 2k, but since people don't borrow my physical media anymore, I don't have any of it going lost.

Tapes are in a bunch of boxes. I need to get a working cassette deck and listen to some of them.

No, I'm not crazy about buying music without physical copies. I'll do it, but only when it's exclusively distributed without them. Cloud/streaming just offend my sensibilities. I've worked in IT too long to trust any service to store my stuff for me.
 
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scabpicker said:
Tapes are in a bunch of boxes. I need to get a working cassette deck and listen to some of them.
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I have a ton of tapes (none of which is "original"), I don't use them anymore but I can't get myself to throw them in the trash. All of them are from friends I haven't seen in 10-15 years, one of them is not even alive anymore. Aside from that, they remind me of a period in which discovering new music required a lot more of research and commitment ( and gave a lot more satisfaction)
 
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br1qbat said:
My band, Solar Monolith, are playing our first show, saturday night 9/21 in the dreaded final slot [11:30pm] at Hot Rock Bar in Warren. Hopefully enough folks stick around to make it cool. Either way, I'm finally back out there!
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Got a wedding I forgot about... doubt I can but I'm spreading the word to friends. If you guys have a FB event or the venue does let me know, I'll send it out too.

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I have a ton of tapes (none of which is "original"), I don't use them anymore but I can't get myself to throw them in the trash. All of them are from friends I haven't seen in 10-15 years, one of them is not even alive anymore. Aside from that, they remind me of a period in which discovering new music required a lot more of research and commitment ( and gave a lot more satisfaction)
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That alone is one of the things that I love about cassettes and records, especially from back when. The other bit is just sitting back and listening to a whole side. Love that crackle and pop, and the tape compression, also the approach that older recordings took.

I don't pay for a service, but I do use Pandora when I'm not near my turntable. I try to buy direct or Bandcamp from artists. I like how most records also come with a download. Definitely my preferred purchase.

I don't have a real catalogue, but I do have a want list. I organize my records into multiple groups: most played, sometimes played, wife/kid's collection, and rarely played/not sure why I still have. Within each there isn't too much of a system but I know where each is without anytime spent searching.

Granted I only have a couple hundred records so that may be why I have no issues yet.
 
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After my Tool post yesterday, I decided to give the new Tool a listen during my commute this morning. I really liked Tool through Lateralus. 10,000 Days did not grab me in any way. Fear Inoculum seems in line with 10,000 Days. I was bored after 1.5 songs and switched to *** with Marc Maron. Undertow, Aenima, and Lateralus still hold up for me, I don't think it is nostalgia: I'm just not feeling their more recent stuff. I'm not hearing anything new to grab onto and the production is beyond Steely Dan slick.

Heavy question: How do y'all handle bands/artists who are bad humans/have been accused of doing terrible things? Eg; separate the art from the artist, listen in private and ignore them in public, ignore the band/artist completely? For what it is worth, I am not talking about openly disgusting music like National Socialist Black Metal or skinhead bands, that jive is straight trash, IMO.

Also, any Colorado folks going to Boris this Friday? If you see a muscular ginger w/ a beard and glasses, say hello!
 
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thombo said:
After my Tool post yesterday, I decided to give the new Tool a listen during my commute this morning. I really liked Tool through Lateralus. 10,000 Days did not grab me in any way. Fear Inoculum seems in line with 10,000 Days. I was bored after 1.5 songs and switched to *** with Marc Maron. Undertow, Aenima, and Lateralus still hold up for me, I don't think it is nostalgia: I'm just not feeling their more recent stuff. I'm not hearing anything new to grab onto and the production is beyond Steely Dan slick.

Heavy question: How do y'all handle bands/artists who are bad humans/have been accused of doing terrible things? Eg; separate the art from the artist, listen in private and ignore them in public, ignore the band/artist completely? For what it is worth, I am not talking about openly disgusting music like National Socialist Black Metal or skinhead bands, that jive is straight trash, IMO.

Also, any Colorado folks going to Boris this Friday? If you see a muscular ginger w/ a beard and glasses, say hello!
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Im pretty much with you on the new tool album, it falls in with 10,000 days. I still enjoyed it but its not Aenima.

I dont know if ive ever had a band/musician i love be convicted of anything that would make me stop listening to them. I guess it would more likely be a seperate the artists from the art for me. Itd have to ve something pretty extreme to make me stop liking an artist.
 
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thombo said:
Heavy question: How do y'all handle bands/artists who are bad humans/have been accused of doing terrible things? Eg; separate the art from the artist, listen in private and ignore them in public, ignore the band/artist completely? For what it is worth, I am not talking about openly disgusting music like National Socialist Black Metal or skinhead bands, that jive is straight trash, IMO.
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honestly I don't care what artists think or do, one of my favourite actors is Klaus Kinski, so 'nuff said. I am more annoyed by artists who have a facade they "sell" to their fans (especially artists who put politics and stuff like that in what they do) and then they turn out to be totally fake or hypocrites.
 
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Right now on another forum people are getting mad at Buzz Osborne for an interview where he expresses his political views (not left-libertarian as expected by his fans), very strong reactions... Honestly, I don't care. He doesn't talk about politics in songs, and he never lied. I have more respect for his idiot ideas about taxes or education, or Steve Austin with his guns worship, than for Fugazi selling their albums on Amazon. This pretty much sums up what I think.
 
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thombo said:
Heavy question: How do y'all handle bands/artists who are bad humans/have been accused of doing terrible things? Eg; separate the art from the artist, listen in private and ignore them in public, ignore the band/artist completely? For what it is worth, I am not talking about openly disgusting music like National Socialist Black Metal or skinhead bands, that jive is straight trash, IMO.
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I feel like I'm pretty capable of separating the art from the artist. I also don't get caught up in the fan-boy arguments of 'my band/artists vs your accusation', which tends to happen in cases like these. Having said all that, this is a clear reference to MJK and the twitter accusations. I have problems with the standard for 'proof' and the lack of due process if that passes as a solid case of wrong-doing. But I assume the mods are wanting us to not go there, and it's ground that's been trodden many times...

Also, in agreement about the new album. It's good and it's tool, but it doesn't feel like anything new. I thought 10,000 Days was cool, but I really go back to Aenima and Lateralus more than anything else from their catalog.
 
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thombo said:
After my Tool post yesterday, I decided to give the new Tool a listen during my commute this morning. I really liked Tool through Lateralus. 10,000 Days did not grab me in any way. Fear Inoculum seems in line with 10,000 Days. I was bored after 1.5 songs and switched to *** with Marc Maron. Undertow, Aenima, and Lateralus still hold up for me, I don't think it is nostalgia: I'm just not feeling their more recent stuff. I'm not hearing anything new to grab onto and the production is beyond Steely Dan slick.

Heavy question: How do y'all handle bands/artists who are bad humans/have been accused of doing terrible things? Eg; separate the art from the artist, listen in private and ignore them in public, ignore the band/artist completely? For what it is worth, I am not talking about openly disgusting music like National Socialist Black Metal or skinhead bands, that jive is straight trash, IMO.

Also, any Colorado folks going to Boris this Friday? If you see a muscular ginger w/ a beard and glasses, say hello!
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So you want to know about how to feel about listening to Burzum? Lol

Joke aside, I have a hard time with it. For example, I really dig Dissection's "The Somberlain", but the main dude is a straight up homophobe and murderer.

On lesser notes: Miles Davis was kinda a huge a-hole. Lou Reed was an even bigger one. Bobby Liebing of Pentagram beat up his elderly mom. John Lennon beat his first wife and basically wanted little to nothing to do with his eldest son. Elvis Presley was a serial statutory rapist. GG Allin was uh, GG Allin.

So it goes.

I find I can usually separate the artist from the art, but I do have a harder time dropping a lot of $ that will support such poopie people.
 
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