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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

i got sick of killing myself working for other people so I've turned my pedal/amp building/repair/buying for cheap and reselling into my main source of income, supplemented by some small it subcontract and handyman work. I've got way less money than i used to but my life is hella fun and peaceful

That would be awesome to do. I'm kinda thinking that may be the direction I end up. I really need to spend more time with a soldering iron and electronics books.

Doing brick work on the side got me to realize how good you can feel when you've created something. Same thing with writing, recording, and performing music.

In other news, just got in touch with my drummer. His other projects are on hiatus so we're gonna start jamming again.
 
Man, a lot has happened in the past few weeks... sheesh. Glad I made it out of that. Anyways, wassup? I’m not about to go back through pages of posts to catch up officially. If I missed you get at me again, please?!

still schecter, still Hilbish and ampeg 8-10, still drop G. Still writing. Maybe ep soonish? Anyways, we want a few recordings or albums worth of material, before we play out. And have at least a record ready to sell at show. Start this thing with a bang.
 
Man, a lot has happened in the past few weeks... sheesh. Glad I made it out of that. Anyways, wassup? I’m not about to go back through pages of posts to catch up officially. If I missed you get at me again, please?!

still schecter, still Hilbish and ampeg 8-10, still drop G. Still writing. Maybe ep soonish? Anyways, we want a few recordings or albums worth of material, before we play out. And have at least a record ready to sell at show. Start this thing with a bang.

Is that the normal route bands take? Personally I always started playing once we had a good 45min sets worth of music. Built some hype and funds from shows, then put that down on a record and had a release party/show we promoted the daylights out of. Granted we were always broke.

I dig your approach, more collected.
 
Is that the normal route bands take? Personally I always started playing once we had a good 45min sets worth of music. Built some hype and funds from shows, then put that down on a record and had a release party/show we promoted the daylights out of. Granted we were always broke.

I dig your approach, more collected.
*queue old man voice
When we were getting started, back in the early 80's, the only way to get recorded was to go to a studio and pay for it. Sure, you could do some 4 track stuff at the practice space, etc. but nothing that you could call a real "release". Nowadays, technology has advanced so far that bands have access to DAWs and mixers, monitors, etc. that rival the best of yesteryear but at a bedroom budget. Bands today can record remotely from each other and transfer tracks within seconds instead of days. We have digital marketplaces designed to promote and sell the results of those digital recordings (bandcamp, etc.).
In the 80's, to get "a few recordings or albums worth of material, before we play out" would have cost thousands of dollars and a long time since you had to go around the studio's schedule. Today, it essentially only costs time, because the technology is ubiquitous and inexpensive. Someone in the band has a computer and a recording interface can be had for ~$100 and the software can be as inexpensive as free. Then there is the fact that, back then, the only way to learn how to record competently was to find/hire an engineer that would teach you, at their convenience, when they had time, in their studio, etc. Today, one can hop on YouTube, at home and at their convenience, and spend a week watching, really paying attention to and taking notes from some great audio engineers' videos and they'll be light years ahead of some of the small regional studio engineers of the 80's.

Also, back then, we wore onions on our belts. Because that was the style at the time. Now get off my lawn!
 
*queue old man voice
When we were getting started, back in the early 80's, the only way to get recorded was to go to a studio and pay for it. Sure, you could do some 4 track stuff at the practice space, etc. but nothing that you could call a real "release". Nowadays, technology has advanced so far that bands have access to DAWs and mixers, monitors, etc. that rival the best of yesteryear but at a bedroom budget. Bands today can record remotely from each other and transfer tracks within seconds instead of days. We have digital marketplaces designed to promote and sell the results of those digital recordings (bandcamp, etc.).
In the 80's, to get "a few recordings or albums worth of material, before we play out" would have cost thousands of dollars and a long time since you had to go around the studio's schedule. Today, it essentially only costs time, because the technology is ubiquitous and inexpensive. Someone in the band has a computer and a recording interface can be had for ~$100 and the software can be as inexpensive as free. Then there is the fact that, back then, the only way to learn how to record competently was to find/hire an engineer that would teach you, at their convenience, when they had time, in their studio, etc. Today, one can hop on YouTube, at home and at their convenience, and spend a week watching, really paying attention to and taking notes from some great audio engineers' videos and they'll be light years ahead of some of the small regional studio engineers of the 80's.

Also, back then, we wore onions on our belts. Because that was the style at the time. Now get off my lawn!

And that right there is one of the few reasons I'm glad to live in this day and age.

I admit, despite my younger age, I miss the pre cell phone days a lot. Pre smart phone days even more, though they are convenient.
 
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that's because you never waited by the phone on a Friday night to make sure you didn't miss a call about where the hang was/might be
or rode your bike ten miles to a friend's house only to find out they weren't home (at which point i'd check windows until i found an unlocked one and ate all their food)

if you are indeed young, there's no need to to be wistful with nostalgia of days that never actually existed the way you think/thought they did
or just tell me to go eff myself like i would've done
 
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that's because you never waited by the phone on a Friday night to make sure you didn't miss a call about where the hang was/might be
or rode your bike ten miles to a friend's house only to find out they weren't home (at which point i'd check windows until i found an unlocked one and ate all their food)

if you are indeed young, there's no need to to be wistful with nostalgia of days that never actually existed the way you think/thought they did
or just tell me to go eff myself like i would've done

Hahaha nah, I remember those days a bit. I wasn't an adult then, so I'm sure there was more frustration involved. I loved getting out on my bike or driving to a friend's place.

I was in highschool when cell phones started showing up. I remember being in college the day a friend came by with the first iPhone. I didn't get my first smartphone until 2015.

I've long felt that I don't belong well in this generation. I notice I relate philosophically better with people older than me.


I do wish I had known about stoner/doom back then, but I'm so glad I found it.
 
that's because you never waited by the phone on a Friday night to make sure you didn't miss a call about where the hang was/might be
or rode your bike ten miles to a friend's house only to find out they weren't home (at which point i'd check windows until i found an unlocked one and ate all their food)

if you are indeed young, there's no need to to be wistful with nostalgia of days that never actually existed the way you think/thought they did
or just tell me to go eff myself like i would've done


the Chinese Restaurant episode of Seinfeld, a great example of the pre-cellphone day challenges. :)
 
A friend gifted me 25 big Hammond boxes, so uh, some of y'all might be unwitting test subjects.

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I'll add myself to the chorus of "hey, don't get overcome with nostalgia!" In my time as a teenager, it really did seem like the two largest nuclear arsenals in the world might be unleashed. And it turns out that wasn't absurd idea, on some days the logic of one guy kept most of the world from being wasted in a long, slow series of flashes. 1983 Soviet nuclear false alarm incident - Wikipedia

The generation before me was still dealing with polio. (shudder) I'd prefer nuclear war due to where I've lived all my life - right in the middle of four targets to be shortlisted for the first strike. If I was awake, I'd have 20-30 minutes of annoying CD sirens before getting a suntan on my bones. Not much time to suffer, in that case. Oh, and there's one analysis of the exchange that would have had the Soviets airbursting hydrogen bombs over DFW as antiaircraft fire trying to hit the bombers from San Antonio they assumed would be there in their trip over the pole. Yeah, I prefer that to polio.

Really, each generation usually has less to worry about. We may be at what is at least a short term turning point in the trend, but the future has to happen before we know.

And with that, I'll post a video from one of my friends who has apparently learned none of this, and has no bass player in his band, to boot. But, it's a rockin' song and a great video, so I'm apparently wrong about most things, at least. My being wrong about everything remains to be seen:


 
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I'll add myself to the chorus of "hey, don't get overcome with nostalgia!" In my time as a teenager, it really did seem like the two largest nuclear arsenals in the world might be unleashed. And it turns out that wasn't absurd idea, on some days the logic of one guy kept most of the world from being wasted in a long, slow series of flashes. 1983 Soviet nuclear false alarm incident - Wikipedia

The generation before me was still dealing with polio. (shudder) I'd prefer nuclear war due to where I've lived all my life - right in the middle of four targets to be shortlisted for the first strike. If I was awake, I'd have 20-30 minutes of annoying CD sirens before getting a suntan on my bones. Not much time to suffer, in that case. Oh, and there's one analysis of the exchange that would have had the Soviets airbursting hydrogen bombs over DFW as antiaircraft fire trying to hit the bombers from San Antonio they assumed would be there in their trip over the pole. Yeah, I prefer that to polio.

Really, each generation usually has less to worry about. We may be at what is at least a short term turning point in the trend, but the future has to happen before we know.

And with that, I'll post a video from one of my friends who has apparently learned none of this, and has no bass player in his band, to boot. But, it's a rockin' song and a great video, so I'm apparently wrong about most things, at least. My being wrong about everything remains to be seen:




I'd tend to agree, I'm sure a lot of it was being a kid/teen before phones. Only the best parts are really remembered. I'm sure for adults it was much more difficult than now. I love how much music is at our fingertips. And how easy it is to find good bands.

I'm just glad I'm not in education...the horror stories my wife tells me.

She's in a good school district, hell one of the better paying ones and in tune with the times. Yet their elementary school has a "panic" room for when a kid has a melt down. I'd say realistically about once a month the janitor has to clean poopie off the walls of that room!

Not once in my school days did I ever hear of a kid slinging poopie at walls in 12 years...and this happens with regularity?!?

Anything good in the stoner/doom news? Back on topic, I picked up a meatbox. Excited to see how growly the octaves can get. Love some suboctave juice.
 
I'd tend to agree, I'm sure a lot of it was being a kid/teen before phones. Only the best parts are really remembered. I'm sure for adults it was much more difficult than now. I love how much music is at our fingertips. And how easy it is to find good bands.

I'm just glad I'm not in education...the horror stories my wife tells me.

She's in a good school district, hell one of the better paying ones and in tune with the times. Yet their elementary school has a "panic" room for when a kid has a melt down. I'd say realistically about once a month the janitor has to clean poopie off the walls of that room!

Not once in my school days did I ever hear of a kid slinging poopie at walls in 12 years...and this happens with regularity?!?

Anything good in the stoner/doom news? Back on topic, I picked up a meatbox. Excited to see how growly the octaves can get. Love some suboctave juice.
Well... then don’t talk to me about education! That scenario your wife describes is my specialty. Similar sounding district and credentials as your wife’s, but I work in a self-contained building of the toughest kids in the district. All special education. You wouldn’t believe the things that happen. Most of the kid’s stories would make you want to cry.

Anyway, back to the “happiness” of doom...
 
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apparently when my father attended high school in the 70s there wasn't a toilet to take a dump in because they kept getting exploded. we didn't have that in the late 90s
i don't think that the world is any worse or any better than some particular area in the past. it's always been sick, maybe in different ways or with different amounts of denial involved. say what you will but unlike this "back to 1950s values" crap it's no longer socially acceptable for a man to come home from work and beat the crap out of his wife and children.

i do feel like this relates to doom though
 
The hopeless reoccurring continuum we are trapped in where we remember a fictional past, dream about a better future when we are young, and then worrying about a destroyed future when we are older, while ignoring the decay of the moment we are in now, is the most doom metal thing ever.
I am 99% sure that is the basis of everything Lee Dorrian writes.

Getting high as a kite to anesthetize ourselves to that hamster wheel is the most stoner metal thing ever.

Beating someone to death with your bare hands to vent the suffocating anxiety created by all of this is the core of death metal.

Ignoring all of it to just read fiction and think about alternative dimensions where this isn't our reality is the most progressive/ tech death metal thing ever.

Doing a bunch of blow and banging your way through life is how glam metal dealt with it.

At the end of the day, I guess all metal is about dealing with how total F'ed up life is.
 
The hopeless reoccurring continuum we are trapped in where we remember a fictional past, dream about a better future when we are young, and then worrying about a destroyed future when we are older, while ignoring the decay of the moment we are in now, is the most doom metal thing ever.
I am 99% sure that is the basis of everything Lee Dorrian writes.

Getting high as a kite to anesthetize ourselves to that hamster wheel is the most stoner metal thing ever.

Beating someone to death with your bare hands to vent the suffocating anxiety created by all of this is the core of death metal.

Ignoring all of it to just read fiction and think about alternative dimensions where this isn't our reality is the most progressive/ tech death metal thing ever.

Doing a bunch of blow and banging your way through life is how glam metal dealt with it.

At the end of the day, I guess all metal is about dealing with how total F'ed up life is.
Pretty much, yeah. People are always amazed at how chill I am when I tell them I listen to “angry” music. I tell them the music is angry so I din’t have to be. It’s cathartic. It’s all different ways of dealing with crap. That’s why I love me some metal...
 
Guys. There's no rules in Doom. I think this is a universally accepted truth. So. A buddy and I are trying something. We're a (temporarily) drummer-less band, but we're looking. Our main goal is to make enough money in this Doom project to fund a small run of vinyls for the first and possibly only album, and play the album out (provided a drummer can be found). We both have other projects and full time jobs so this is 100% a labor of love and done for our hearts, not our wallets. A self-contained a doom-bubble, if you will.

That being said, I'm going to brag for a minute.

Like I said, there's no real rules. So we made shirts first. It's a limited run as a test to see if it's a sustainable method of cash to help support the project. Right now it's set at break-even pricing and in 2 days we've sold about half of the product.

Second, if anybody wants to give us a follow on Instagram, I'm @Daniel_doom_Louis and he's at @drdoomsdad . I'd greatly appreciate and accepta all criticism of the stuff we've been cobbling together!

I've included a link to a youtube scratch track below, as well as an image of the hoodies/shirts we had done up.

Sorry for being so braggadocious, this is the first time I've had "merch," and my wife 10000000% does not care. Y'all are the only people I know who might give a sh*t about any user's doomy accomplishments!

 

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Guys. There's no rules in Doom. I think this is a universally accepted truth. So. A buddy and I are trying something. We're a (temporarily) drummer-less band, but we're looking. Our main goal is to make enough money in this Doom project to fund a small run of vinyls for the first and possibly only album, and play the album out (provided a drummer can be found). We both have other projects and full time jobs so this is 100% a labor of love and done for our hearts, not our wallets. A self-contained a doom-bubble, if you will.

That being said, I'm going to brag for a minute.

Like I said, there's no real rules. So we made shirts first. It's a limited run as a test to see if it's a sustainable method of cash to help support the project. Right now it's set at break-even pricing and in 2 days we've sold about half of the product.

Second, if anybody wants to give us a follow on Instagram, I'm @Daniel_doom_Louis and he's at @drdoomsdad . I'd greatly appreciate and accepta all criticism of the stuff we've been cobbling together!

I've included a link to a youtube scratch track below, as well as an image of the hoodies/shirts we had done up.

Sorry for being so braggadocious, this is the first time I've had "merch," and my wife 10000000% does not care. Y'all are the only people I know who might give a sh*t about any user's doomy accomplishments!


Got any long sleeve shirts for sale?
 
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Guys. There's no rules in Doom. I think this is a universally accepted truth. So. A buddy and I are trying something. We're a (temporarily) drummer-less band, but we're looking. Our main goal is to make enough money in this Doom project to fund a small run of vinyls for the first and possibly only album, and play the album out (provided a drummer can be found). We both have other projects and full time jobs so this is 100% a labor of love and done for our hearts, not our wallets. A self-contained a doom-bubble, if you will.

That being said, I'm going to brag for a minute.

Like I said, there's no real rules. So we made shirts first. It's a limited run as a test to see if it's a sustainable method of cash to help support the project. Right now it's set at break-even pricing and in 2 days we've sold about half of the product.

Second, if anybody wants to give us a follow on Instagram, I'm @Daniel_doom_Louis and he's at @drdoomsdad . I'd greatly appreciate and accepta all criticism of the stuff we've been cobbling together!

I've included a link to a youtube scratch track below, as well as an image of the hoodies/shirts we had done up.

Sorry for being so braggadocious, this is the first time I've had "merch," and my wife 10000000% does not care. Y'all are the only people I know who might give a sh*t about any user's doomy accomplishments!


Following. Let me know when/where the shirts will be available on-line
 
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