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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

I love Jo Bench’s tone in Bolt Thrower, and an Ibanez PD-7 (her preferred pedal) just popped up locally. Should I grab it? Anybody have experience? I know she uses a pick, and likely rounds, and I use flats and fingers. Think I’d get anywhere near her tonal annihilation ballpark? I have plenty of boutique dirt, but nothing quite Bolt Thrower-ish enough...
I don't know her tone but I have a PD7 and like it a lot. It does a great job of preserving the low end. If the price is right go for it.
 
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I don't know her tone but I have a PD7 and like it a lot. It does a great job of preserving the low end. If the price is right go for it.
To describe her tone - imagine a tank, driving over a mountain, crushing an entire city under its treads, and then firing its cannon into a volcano, causing it to explode. But, you know, sonically. What’s a decent price on these things?
 
@kleinenenten I just spent a little bit messing around with the PD7 on its own and it's definitely badass IMO. Usable tones on the OD and distortion settings. The first thing you'll learn though is that there's only one correct setting for the "attack"...off.
Yeah, probably gonna grab it tomorrow. Spent some time with board tonight, and nothing I have does Bolt Thrower... though other heaviness is well-represented.
 
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Hmm, I'd normally say leave them off because I always end up hitting them, but it looks kind of nekkid without them. Play-ability or looks? I'll be practical for once. I vote no covers.


I was able to finally catch a listing of Idiotbox Effects' Mystery Effect of the Month club #2 - Resonant Vibrato and snapped it up. #11 - Thing One and #12 - Thing Two are supposed to be delivered on Thursday. So, it looks like I'm going to have the whole set.

<Dieter>I'm as happy as a little girl.</Dieter>
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Image from the website. The labels for the knobs on Thing One and Thing Two are blurred out as of this writing. I've still no idea what those two will be. It looks like there's an interconnect between the two, so who knows. Every one of the pedals has been unique and cool, so far. They range from "Awesomely strange, but I'm not sure where I'd actually use it outside of sound effects." to "Damn, that's just a great pedal, it's probably going to make it into regular production." Combining the Sea Legs' optical sensor with a Rainbotron is endless fun (ok, for me it is, I'm an idiot). The 'Ol Switcheroo is such a good fuzz I'm probably going to grab the next one I see.

Edited to add, here's a link to the product page, which gives a good rundown on what each one is: Mystery Effect Of The Month Club

If for some insane reason you decide to get rid of the collection down the road, give me a ring if no one else has laid a claim. You see em pop up much? I was bummed to miss out.

Stemming from the previous PUP cover convo, what's the feeling on Ric bridge Pup covers around here? I've never picked one up but I'm pro cover for the rics as far as aesthetics go. Maybe if I ever play one my feeling will change :bassist:

I like em some of the time. On Ric's they're where I wanna play like @bassboysam said.

I was surprised to find out how much I like it on my test mule though. It's about where a pbass pup would be. I can still palm mute and it's like a solid thumb rest right where I want it. The added bonus for me was that it was a nice resting spot when picking/finger playing higher towards the neck.
 
If for some insane reason you decide to get rid of the collection down the road, give me a ring if no one else has laid a claim. You see em pop up much? I was bummed to miss out.


Heheheh, I have no plans to relieve myself of them, ever. Even if one isn't a very practical effect, it still makes at least one sound that I can't imagine another effect making.

I could have bought a second copy of most of them by now, almost all of them near the original price. The first two are by far the most rare, that I've seen. Even then, I was able to pass up on a Resonant Vibrato that was listed on Christmas because I found out my wife had bought me a "That's No Moon" the night before, and I was still able to pick up another less than a year later. I've also seen a Robo-Fuzz listed since I bought mine. I have an alert for every "Idiotbox" listing on Reverb, though, and I browse through it every day. There's still a couple of older mystery effects and/or discontinued effects of his I'd like to collect.

The two that I keep having to restrain myself from grabbing a second copy of are the Space Mod-Delay-Tor and the 'Ol Switcheroo. The delay because it's just wonderfully loony, and I want to run one through a second one. The 'Ol Switcheroo because I'm a a Super-Fuzz whore.

The Redrum made it into regular production with a red paint job, btw. It's pretty vicious.
 
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Nice, I'll have to keep checking for em.

Have you checked out the jhs supreme? Been so close to pulling the trigger on one.

I don't think I've tried enough fuzzes, but I love octave fuzz...


I have seen a vid or two of the supreme, but haven't really thought about grabbing one for some reason. Probably because it's a teensy bit pricey for me as a "just gotta have another clone of that" pedal, and I have a few Super-Fuzz clones and one of the real thing.

If you or anyone else love octave fuzz and don't have one already, get yerself a Danelectro French Toast. It's a cheapo plastic enclosure, but it's got a great Foxx Tone Machine copy inside of it, and I found mine for 10$ more than a Behringer SF300 new. But, it's been recently discontinued, I was able to grab one of the last GC had, and it apparently took them a few weeks to find one with a box. I'm sure there's a few more running around out there.

A fuzz in that set of mystery pedals that was an eye-opener to me was the SuperCollator. It's a combination of a Super-Fuzz and the previously unknown to me Harmonic Percolator. I've loved Albini since I first heard Big Black back in the 80's, but had no idea what he used on guitar besides the Travis Beans he used. Once I read the description of SuperCollator on that page, I found it's related to the Harmonic Percolator that he used and read a few exposés about that kind of lifestyle. The sound's a pretty distinctive fuzz when you hear it maxxed out. For all the nastiness of Albini's sound, the Harmonic Collator (surprisingly to me) supposedly created just unbelievable levels of even-order harmonics. I'm pretty sure that's the fuzz being used on the solo/outro (maybe the whole thing, it sounds like a volume knob swell into the solo) of this song.



The SuperCollator is it's own weirdness on top of a Harmonic Percolator. From the demos I've seen, the HP is mostly a manageable and sweet-ish distortion until you push it hard. The SuperCollator is already a weird, spitty distortion when you get the Balance control to 50%, where it seems to hit unity with your clean volume. Beyond that, the Balance control puts even more nastiness and spits more. When I got it I thought, "Wow, just the most vicious straight distortion pedal I've ever heard." It's a distortion that does not understand or care that it might be able to sound like a normal amp. Even though I'm not certain how he mashed up the circuits, upon getting an explanation on the intent, it kind of makes sense that it's a mash up between an even order type-a circuit and an octave diode fuzz. It just spits and hisses on every fade out no matter what the settings, and on the attack if you've got most of the knobs anywhere near 50%. It's not a perfect circuit, though. I pulled it out a minute ago to make sure my first impressions held, and found it would happily pick up AM radio when the volume knob was all the way down.

Even then, it's certainly its own sound to be loved and learned. If I'm shopping for a particular fuzz these days, it'd be a Harmonic Percolator or one of its reissues or clones.
 
I have seen a vid or two of the supreme, but haven't really thought about grabbing one for some reason. Probably because it's a teensy bit pricey for me as a "just gotta have another clone of that" pedal, and I have a few Super-Fuzz clones and one of the real thing.

If you or anyone else love octave fuzz and don't have one already, get yerself a Danelectro French Toast. It's a cheapo plastic enclosure, but it's got a great Foxx Tone Machine copy inside of it, and I found mine for 10$ more than a Behringer SF300 new. But, it's been recently discontinued, I was able to grab one of the last GC had, and it apparently took them a few weeks to find one with a box. I'm sure there's a few more running around out there.

A fuzz in that set of mystery pedals that was an eye-opener to me was the SuperCollator. It's a combination of a Super-Fuzz and the previously unknown to me Harmonic Percolator. I've loved Albini since I first heard Big Black back in the 80's, but had no idea what he used on guitar besides the Travis Beans he used. Once I read the description of SuperCollator on that page, I found it's related to the Harmonic Percolator that he used and read a few exposés about that kind of lifestyle. The sound's a pretty distinctive fuzz when you hear it maxxed out. For all the nastiness of Albini's sound, the Harmonic Collator (surprisingly to me) supposedly created just unbelievable levels of even-order harmonics. I'm pretty sure that's the fuzz being used on the solo/outro (maybe the whole thing, it sounds like a volume knob swell into the solo) of this song.



The SuperCollator is it's own weirdness on top of a Harmonic Percolator. From the demos I've seen, the HP is mostly a manageable and sweet-ish distortion until you push it hard. The SuperCollator is already a weird, spitty distortion when you get the Balance control to 50%, where it seems to hit unity with your clean volume. Beyond that, the Balance control puts even more nastiness and spits more. When I got it I thought, "Wow, just the most vicious straight distortion pedal I've ever heard." It's a distortion that does not understand or care that it might be able to sound like a normal amp. Even though I'm not certain how he mashed up the circuits, upon getting an explanation on the intent, it kind of makes sense that it's a mash up between an even order type-a circuit and an octave diode fuzz. It just spits and hisses on every fade out no matter what the settings, and on the attack if you've got most of the knobs anywhere near 50%. It's not a perfect circuit, though. I pulled it out a minute ago to make sure my first impressions held, and found it would happily pick up AM radio when the volume knob was all the way down.

Even then, it's certainly its own sound to be loved and learned. If I'm shopping for a particular fuzz these days, it'd be a Harmonic Percolator or one of its reissues or clones.

If I ever make peace with pedals, that's something I wanted to try...
 
Oh I almost forgot why I came here:

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Well the 8/13 gig is off the books due to the coronamania in Michigan. Very few places even talking about booking gigs as everything is week to week, day to day.

2020, everybody. :confused:
Yeah, we've written the year off in terms of shows. Every time we get offered something, it goes away a week later. For that matter, we just declined a European tour in October of 2021. There is just too much unknown and no possible way to plan... and not worth the stress. 2020/21 will be the year of catching up on your record collections and brushing up on your chops.
 
Yeah, we've written the year off in terms of shows. Every time we get offered something, it goes away a week later. For that matter, we just declined a European tour in October of 2021. There is just too much unknown and no possible way to plan... and not worth the stress. 2020/21 will be the year of catching up on your record collections and brushing up on your chops.

Wish I had more time to brush up on chops...but the kiddos are worth it.

In other news I got confirmation that my amp is built and ready to ship, but due to covid problems they have to send it with a distributor order so 5 weeks. Can't wait!

@eyeballkid you had a BTA at one point right? How's it compare to the ABM Evo heads, if you had one of those?
 
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I finally got an appointment to get my GK 700RB-II fixed up. Only been 4 months or more? So maybe in one more month it’ll be up and running like new? Here’s to hoping!

Because of that expense, I’ve put the acquisition of the Ibanez PD-7 on hold. I will have to hope it’s still there in a while so I can get all Bolt Thrower-y. Will have to get by with my Iron Pig for now to get in that ballpark. 1st world problems and all.