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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

Yeah, I'm probably one of the longest "tenured" posters on this thread, and it's always been a very welcoming, open-minded clubhouse. I think a lot of that comes from the headspace of the shrub crowd. A "Let your freak flag fly." ethos is common in that arena.

To the example of music theory/tab/ear learning, I can agree with the idea of having a good knowledge of theory and such being good. More knowledge, while not necessary, certainly can't hurt.
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I definitely agree with your last sentence (well your whole post actually), but to clarify-I’m not advocating that standard notation/music reading is “useless” or that it won’t help you-I just don’t think it’s 100% necessary to know all of it from the get go especially if you and two or three friends wanna hang out and jam for a few minutes on a Saturday night as a hobby…

Yes-I’m sure that as you play with other better musicians it probably comes in handy, but I’m guessing there are probably a ton of bands who started out in their garage who were just hanging out and drinking beer and messing around and they were still able to make music without stopping and telling their band mate to play a specific note…

Black Sabbath’s first album comes to mind- Those guys are amazing musicians IMO, but they have said a lot of that was just jamming/improvising and that album was recorded on a show string budget in an incredibly short amount of time, but I feel like that’s what makes it great-They we’re able to capture that one particular moment in time and didn’t overly obsess about playing things “perfect” - The spartan production seems to give it extra character…

(Hopefully that explanation makes sense the way I described it)…

Also (regarding the main form)-I don’t get the tort/carrot obsession…

They can have at it if they want…Just sorta don’t get that one ya know???

Thanks! \m/
 
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I definitely agree with your last sentence (well your whole post actually), but to clarify-I’m not advocating that standard notation/music reading is “useless” or that it won’t help you-I just don’t think it’s 100% necessary to know all of it from the get go especially if you and two or three friends wanna hang out and jam for a few minutes on a Saturday night as a hobby…

Yes-I’m sure that as you play with other better musicians it probably comes in handy, but I’m guessing there are probably a ton of bands who started out in their garage who were just hanging out and drinking beer and messing around and they were still able to make music without stopping and telling their band mate to play a specific note…

Black Sabbath’s first album comes to mind- Those guys are amazing musicians IMO, but they have said a lot of that was just jamming/improvising and that album was recorded on a show string budget in an incredibly short amount of time, but I feel like that’s what makes it great-They we’re able to capture that one particular moment in time and didn’t overly obsess about playing things “perfect” - The spartan production seems to give it extra character…

(Hopefully that explanation makes sense the way I described it)…

Also (regarding the main form)-I don’t get the tort/carrot obsession…

They can have at it if they want…Just sorta don’t get that one ya know???

Thanks! \m/
A valid viewpoint, buuut, to play the devil's advocate for a second, the guys in Sabbath were already good musicians by the time they got together, which makes the organic process of jamming/improv much, much easier and speedy.
 
I've been lurking in this thread off and on and figured I'd finally stop in and say hi.
I've been in a psychedelic stoner rock mood lately. Any bands in that vein come to mind that would be worth brushing up on?

The latest Hum album, "Inlet," isn't really labeled as stoner or doom or even psychedelic, but it sure does scratch a lot of those itches.

Without making too long a list of recommendations, check this out too:

 
Been logging plenty of hours jamming on old Metallica. Haven't gotten to the Sabbath I requested the other day (Letters From Earth), but I'll try and get to it tomorrow when I'm off work. As far as trying to play "Solitude", I'm afraid I can't do that one as I'm definitely not able to read sheet music. My apologies to whoever (and apologies for forgetting who it was!) was hoping I could look at that, because that's about ALL I can do...

Anyway - loving the new practice routine, and I've been adding a new song to the repertoire every week so far. Managed to get two in this week! Whiplash is rather simple and pretty much 100% now, and I've been jamming The Four Horsemen hard the last two days and am about 95% there (just gotta tighten up a few small things, and the bass section under the solo is almost solo-ish itself, so I've just improvised one - I'll get there one day!). Thinking I may try Phantom Lord tomorrow, if Letters From Earth doesn't pan out. Feeling accomplished and competent as a bassist like I haven't in years, and in many ways I feel like I'm starting over. My fingertips hurt like a complete novice, if that's any indication about how much serious practice I've had the last few years. Some findings, most of which are old news, but worth re-stating:

1. The most obvious - bedroom tone rarely works in a mix. As I've been woodshedding, I've also been tweaking my dirt. Outside of the mix, my bass tone sounds terrible to me. Far louder than clean, plenty of treble bite, and seemingly fewer lows. But in the mix it's amazing. Again, old news, but I'm really feeling I need to say this for my own benefit and maybe for someone else who is struggling with their tone as well. I LOVED my solo tone, but jamming along with songs has shown that it doesn't fit. It's been great to HEAR my tone in a mix.

2. Lots of dirt is good - but so is plenty of clean lows. In playing with my pedals, lower gain seems to be good for the bedroom, but then gets lost in the heavy mix as it's just too bass-heavy. I suppose "lost" is a misnomer - it's there, but blends too well, and that's NOT my goal. Simply cranking the gain makes it get lost as well, as then the bass is often too reduced to work in the mix. So I've had to find a way to add plenty of gain and bite without sacrificing the fundamental. For my Iron Pig, that means plenty on the gain, tone, and attack knobs (2:00ish on gain and tone, max attack), as well as a hefty amount of clean blended in (11:00-11:30ish). For the Pharaoh Supreme, it means lower pre and fuzz controls (about 10:30ish each) and plenty of volume (noonish) with the tone all the way down and hi's all the way up. For the PD7, it's bass at just past noon, treble at 3:00, gain at 11:00ish, volume to taste, with attack off and OD mode engaged. Just enough treble to cut, bass to fill it in, and enough compression to jump out of the mix. It just plain works! And speaking of which...

3. My modded Pork Loin KILLS it! I've said it before, and I'll say it again, but my Pork Loin is the absolute best drive pedal I've ever played. It just works in all situations. From lower gain applications to all sorts of heavy metal, whenever I turn this on, it's audible, clear, and has just the right tone for anything. I don't even change settings - I've had the identical settings for the past 5 years at least. My desert island drive, no doubt.

4. My Pharaoh Supreme and Iron Pig sound noticeably different out of the mix, but incredibly similar in the mix. Didn't expect this at all. The biggest difference in the mix is the hi-mid clank of the Iron Pig versus the low-mid thump of the Pharaoh. Not sure if it's the inherent nature of Rat versus Muff, but I'm enjoying both tones greatly.

5. I'm definitely a fingerstyle player. I can use a pick, but fingerstyle just feels right. I'll still probably learn most of this stuff with a pick as I like the ability to change my tone and the versatility it opens up, but definitely prefer fingers.

Finally - many thanks to my wife for putting up with all this nonsense! I've played more the past few weeks than I have in can't remember how long. Couldn't do that without her support. And thanks to all of you for reading my long, rambling posts! Feeling great as a bass player and person lately, and want to share it with some like-minded folks who will get it.
 
3. My modded Pork Loin KILLS it! I've said it before, and I'll say it again, but my Pork Loin is the absolute best drive pedal I've ever played. It just works in all situations. From lower gain applications to all sorts of heavy metal, whenever I turn this on, it's audible, clear, and has just the right tone for anything. I don't even change settings - I've had the identical settings for the past 5 years at least. My desert island drive, no doubt.

I’ve been itching to build some pedals & man, that sounds too good not to check out. What mods? JohnK? A quick bit of digging reveals there’s about $15 worth of transistors at onesie-twosome prices in one, which is pricey for a build.
Also, congrats on the overall stoke.
 
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I’ve been itching to build some pedals & man, that sounds too good not to check out. What mods? JohnK? A quick bit of digging reveals there’s about $15 worth of transistors at onesie-twosome prices in one, which is pricey for a build.
Also, congrats on the overall stoke.
Yes, the JohnK mod. And to be clear, I don't use this for heavy drive. It's moderate at best. One of those "tone sweetener" type things with just a bit of grit. It just sits in every mix I've ever played incredibly well. I've taken it to task against a handful of well-regarded circuits, but this one has won hands-down every time.

$15 is pricey for a build? I have no idea, as I've never built one, but if I was confident in my skills, this is worth every penny to build. I know that to mod one costs only a single capacitor, and is simple enough that I've done it. Twice, even! I got mine years ago for about $80 each, but now I think they're often upwards of $100, if not $120 when I see them. But like I said, totally worth it. If you want more specifics, I can go on, but I don't need to derail the thread any more than I already do at this point!
 
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Yes, the JohnK mod. And to be clear, I don't use this for heavy drive. It's moderate at best. One of those "tone sweetener" type things with just a bit of grit. It just sits in every mix I've ever played incredibly well. I've taken it to task against a handful of well-regarded circuits, but this one has won hands-down every time.

$15 is pricey for a build? I have no idea, as I've never built one, but if I was confident in my skills, this is worth every penny to build. I know that to mod one costs only a single capacitor, and is simple enough that I've done it. Twice, even! I got mine years ago for about $80 each, but now I think they're often upwards of $100, if not $120 when I see them. But like I said, totally worth it. If you want more specifics, I can go on, but I don't need to derail the thread any more than I already do at this point!

I’ve generally heard good things about the PL, especially with the mod, and winter is a good time for me to dork out on pedals. And, no 15 bux isn’t particularly expensive for a build, but that was just for the transistors - there’s still resistors, capacitors, a couple chips, couple trimmers, jacks, pots, knobs, and an enclosure. It’s been a few - shiz, couple years pre-pandemic - since I’ve built anything, but I used to figure $5/pot plus the enclosure as a rough cost for a build. The pots were a couple bucks each, knobs .50-.75 other components were usually pennies to a few quarters each. So, yes, $2-3 each for the transistors is expensive.
 
I’ve generally heard good things about the PL, especially with the mod, and winter is a good time for me to dork out on pedals. And, no 15 bux isn’t particularly expensive for a build, but that was just for the transistors - there’s still resistors, capacitors, a couple chips, couple trimmers, jacks, pots, knobs, and an enclosure. It’s been a few - shiz, couple years pre-pandemic - since I’ve built anything, but I used to figure $5/pot plus the enclosure as a rough cost for a build. The pots were a couple bucks each, knobs .50-.75 other components were usually pennies to a few quarters each. So, yes, $2-3 each for the transistors is expensive.
If I could build pedals, I'd have ALL THE PEDALS. Seriously, I'd just clone anything I liked, tweak it, and be in heaven. I've thought of seeing if a local pedal guy could make me a Volt Thrower since I'm on a Rat kick, but I also feel I should support small businesses (even though Dunwich is no longer with us) and maybe get a Cat Tail? Never had a Fuzzrocious, but I hear nothing but good things.

In the Rat vein, my Blower Box hates flats. I realize I'm the minority in trying to use that with flats, I'm sure, but wow, it's terrible. Got pretty close to my Iron Pig tone with rounds, but flats = flub and mud city. Hence my renewed interest in the Cat Tail. But it's got to have a clean blend, as I think that's a big part of why I love the Iron Pig and why the Blower Box isn't working on flats.
 
The video I posted had bass tabs in description

here's the link to the pdf
Letters from Earth (Black Sabbath) - Google Drive
have fun with Sabbath

Yup - got them! But ran out of time today running errands. My wife was also off work, so I had husband duties to perform. I did try to practice a few minutes, but my fingerips are still pretty tender after a few hours yesterday. Got to get them toughened up again! Will likely be able to get back to it Wednesday night, so that's the plan.
 
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