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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out
- Thread starter Korladis
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Why wouldn't you use them for live play too?
We did it!
Apparently the jam the other day was recorded, which I am listening to now. The first few minutes I can basically hear a song (plus/minus some tweaks), so I'm kinda chuffed.....? We'll see.
I like 1 pickup at a time, but don’t mind switching. I am more inclined toward split coil from pickups, but sometime the bridge is the thing.
I've been practicing every day the past week on learning new songs and polishing up old ones. And who would have thought that it would actually pay off? 
Today was Master of Puppets, and though I still have some polishing to do, I at least KNOW the entire song and can accurately play a majority of it minus some fills here and there and needing to speed it up on one or two parts. Yesterday was Roswell 47 by Hypocrisy, which is a rather simple but enjoyable song. One of my favorites for old school death metal goodness.
In practicing so much, I must have also messed up my compressor settings. Between yesterday and today some of my dirt pedals were starting to sound a bit odd and mushy, especially on the lows, and I had thought maybe it was just ear fatigue. But today I realized that I had bumped up my compressor's output about 25%, and that was hitting some pedals a bit harder than I had done previously. Lowered the output, quickly redid some gain/volume settings on my dirt pedals, and we're back in business sounding as good as ever. For now I've swapped my old Ibanez PD7 for a B7KU clone, and my beloved Pork Loin for the ODB clone. I'm amazed at how much I'm enjoying the B7KU, as the actual one I had years ago was an almost instant flip. Must be my recent trend, as the real ODB I had a few years ago never did much for me either. We'll see how long either last on the board. With my fixed compressor settings, the ODB is dangerously close to the Pork Loin's tone, but with a more articulate top end. Anything could happen. I'll have to see how all of this plays out tomorrow when I can play again at volume. For all I know, my compressor will need to be tweaked again and all of this will be for nothing.
As for reverse P pickups, Ibanez does that too. My old SR300DX is one example. I never realized the pickups were reversed until about 5 years ago? But it's a great bass, which is all that matters.
Today was Master of Puppets, and though I still have some polishing to do, I at least KNOW the entire song and can accurately play a majority of it minus some fills here and there and needing to speed it up on one or two parts. Yesterday was Roswell 47 by Hypocrisy, which is a rather simple but enjoyable song. One of my favorites for old school death metal goodness.In practicing so much, I must have also messed up my compressor settings. Between yesterday and today some of my dirt pedals were starting to sound a bit odd and mushy, especially on the lows, and I had thought maybe it was just ear fatigue. But today I realized that I had bumped up my compressor's output about 25%, and that was hitting some pedals a bit harder than I had done previously. Lowered the output, quickly redid some gain/volume settings on my dirt pedals, and we're back in business sounding as good as ever. For now I've swapped my old Ibanez PD7 for a B7KU clone, and my beloved Pork Loin for the ODB clone. I'm amazed at how much I'm enjoying the B7KU, as the actual one I had years ago was an almost instant flip. Must be my recent trend, as the real ODB I had a few years ago never did much for me either. We'll see how long either last on the board. With my fixed compressor settings, the ODB is dangerously close to the Pork Loin's tone, but with a more articulate top end. Anything could happen. I'll have to see how all of this plays out tomorrow when I can play again at volume. For all I know, my compressor will need to be tweaked again and all of this will be for nothing.
As for reverse P pickups, Ibanez does that too. My old SR300DX is one example. I never realized the pickups were reversed until about 5 years ago? But it's a great bass, which is all that matters.
Sascha Erni
Making things go whoomp, whoomp since 1994
Well, it really wasn't:
And I'm SO going to use that in both my Rock and Metal bands. The U-Bass, not the cat, naturally.
Two cat posts already on page 3,000...nicely done, team.
Sascha Erni
Making things go whoomp, whoomp since 1994
He's fondly remembered. He slept on my saw once.
There's a few reasons. The live spaces are always larger than our practice space so we won't blow our ears out... as much. We also take, or some places have, a PA which can change the dynamics drastically, which you just can't catch on IEs. Better to have a sense of what the audience is hearing IMO.
The main thing though is that we can hear our singer much more clearly in a live setting. In the practice space he comes out of one monitor which is pointed primarily at him while in a live show we'll usually have at least three stage monitors if not 4.
We also use the wireless in-ears which I've noticed a difference in sound quality with, compared to directly wired IEs. My other bandmates haven't tried them yet and I'm not sure if the quality is more due to the analogue mixing board that my doom buddy has, which we run the wired IEs out of, or just the fact that it's wired and can send a clearer signal than the radio frequencies of wireless IEs. Not necessarily a reason not to use them live, just something I've noticed IME
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It's like a Yin-Yang Fodera, but made of kitteh.
There's a lot of benefits to wearing them live as well. Hearing protection, lower volumes in your ears, quieter stage volume so that FOH doesn't have to fight against you as much, crowd not hearing your mix vs what you want them to hear, being able to hear anywhere on stage specifically what you want to hear.
As far as the wireless vs wired audio quality difference, I guess there's a difference because of the radio transmission. If you're using the same physical iems for both the wired and wireless that would make sense.
Replacing the pickups in my Double P with a pair of Double J humbuckers and had to make some rings to cover the old route, the void approves.
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Had to tweak a bit, but nothing major for most stuff. I'm actually almost enjoying my second board more than the first the past few days. In that vein, I directly compared my Bass Mountain/Iron Pig and Swollen Pickle/Pharaoh Supreme again. The Pharaoh really did need a decent amount of tweaks, as at volume it was getting mushy again. So I just started A/Bing it with the Pickle and as usual, got amazing results. Love both of those fuzzes! The Bass Mountain/Iron Pig process was much faster, as was tweaking the ODB to sound like my Pork Loin. The ODB is really hitting my itch for low gain now, so it may stay on the board for a bit.
I'm pretty proud that with all of my pedals, I always sound like "me". So many times I hear a pedal demo and it absolutely changes the player's tone. My setup has essentially kept my tone with various layers of saturation, at least until we get to the HM-2 and B7KU portion. Those two definitely impart a massive amount of their own flavor on the bass, for better or worse.
Speaking of the B7KU, anybody here use one? I'm enjoying the clone, but there is less dirt than I recall before. It cuts well, and still sounds dirty, so I'm satisfied, it's just not as filthy as I recall. It's also useful for me to switch on the EQ only
when I need other pedals to cut. I've got it set so that the EQ alone has almost no effect on my clean tone, but it definitely adds some sparkle and cut to my other pedals when needed. Sort of like a boost. So now I functionally have a dirty boost in front with my ODB/Pork Loin (my low gain drive HAS to function as both low gain drive AND dirty boost) and a clean boost/EQ after my dirt with the B7KU clone. It's pretty sweet. Anyway, I'm really debating getting the real deal as the most recent version (apparently there are 2 version 2s?) has a cabsim and aux in feature. It would make my practice setup super compact and focused. Would love to hear any input any of you fine folks have regarding the actual B7KU. I find this room to be non-biased effect wise and give everything its due, regardless of price.
The daily practice also continues, though with the tweaking tonight, I didn't get anything new. Just kept polishing up some recent additions to the repertoire. Run To The Hills and Master of Puppets are getting closer and closer, with only one part of Run To The Hills still giving me trouble besides the stamina to keep the gallops going. On MoP I actually got the trickier parts down much smoother today, and with minimal practice. Sometimes, just coming back to it the next day is all it takes to have improved! At this rate, by the weekend, I'll have it all down pretty much perfectly. I think I might learn Electric Funeral next, or maybe something Ozzy? My 6-year-old son just requested I learn an Ozzy song for him, and who can say no to that?
Unfortunately, I have nothing to add in the cat department. Just got an adorable little dog over here. Yes, she IS a princess. No, she does not get enough love if you ask her. And she is definitely spoiled, regardless of how she acts.
Practiced with the band for the first time in weeks tonight. Used my Super Bassman Pro and the Ampeg 2x15 for the first time in quite awhile. Paired it with my sparkly purple jazz for what I think may have been the first time. That combo may have me off my Precision kick I've been on for the last couple of years.
At the old practice space, I couldn't really leave my big setup behind, and I'm lazy as hell, so I'd been using my Acoustic B200 combo and a cheapo Caline Crazy Cacti overdrive to hit the preamp hard and get some grit. The new practice space is 20 minutes away instead of 5, but I'll take the trade off (and it could be much worse). I didn't need a drive pedal, I just needed the gain side of the Super Bassman's preamp. I sounded better than I had in months, really enjoyed that bass like I hadn't before. I left it up there as the primary bass with this band for the moment. As we got the fuzzes and the room dialed in, we all sounded better and things really seemed to work.
We seem to be actually lining up our first show, at a toy drive benefit in December, of all things. We just need 4 or 5 songs, and covers will do for that setting. We have that now. If we get any of our originals worked out by then, it will be a bonus.
En el mundo de los gatos, most of mine don't get along *that* well. So, there'll probably only be individual shots of them. Heck, our newest kitten spends most of his time in Meowcatraz because he can't seem to stop chasing and terrorizing the other three, who had generally settled into a balance of power before he showed up.
Anyway, here is Estelle "La Pregunta". She showed up as a very adult stray in our back yard one April and basically refused to leave and demanded I pet her. So, by October, she got adopted. Out of all the cats, she's my best pal.
Here's Raymond, "El Reymundo" the current cat we've had the longest. He's a sweetie, too, but doesn't get along with Estelle that well.
Here's AJ, "El Diablo Naranja". Sometimes he loves me, sometimes he's an absolute demon. He has a knack for jumping up on my desk and either rebooting my laptop or typing through a locked screen. I still haven't figured out how he does the latter (please ignore the detritus under my desk, I be).
And this is the newest kitten, who showed up covered in fleas and rubbing on my legs while I was on the patio having a cigarette a few weeks ago. He goes by Oscar, or "El Diablo Gris". We're trying to get him to stop chasing and terrorizing the other cats (except Estelle, who usually just stares him down). He loves people, but getting him socialized with the other cats has been a lot of work. Anyone want their first cat? I don't want him to leave, but he's going to have to calm down to keep living here. Otherwise, he's going to spend most of his cute life in Meowcatraz*.
*Meowcatraz isn't as bad as it sounds. It's a spare room that's gated off with two baby gates, and a third baby gate armored in plexiglass to prevent him climbing over it.
At the old practice space, I couldn't really leave my big setup behind, and I'm lazy as hell, so I'd been using my Acoustic B200 combo and a cheapo Caline Crazy Cacti overdrive to hit the preamp hard and get some grit. The new practice space is 20 minutes away instead of 5, but I'll take the trade off (and it could be much worse). I didn't need a drive pedal, I just needed the gain side of the Super Bassman's preamp. I sounded better than I had in months, really enjoyed that bass like I hadn't before. I left it up there as the primary bass with this band for the moment. As we got the fuzzes and the room dialed in, we all sounded better and things really seemed to work.
We seem to be actually lining up our first show, at a toy drive benefit in December, of all things. We just need 4 or 5 songs, and covers will do for that setting. We have that now. If we get any of our originals worked out by then, it will be a bonus.
En el mundo de los gatos, most of mine don't get along *that* well. So, there'll probably only be individual shots of them. Heck, our newest kitten spends most of his time in Meowcatraz because he can't seem to stop chasing and terrorizing the other three, who had generally settled into a balance of power before he showed up.
Anyway, here is Estelle "La Pregunta". She showed up as a very adult stray in our back yard one April and basically refused to leave and demanded I pet her. So, by October, she got adopted. Out of all the cats, she's my best pal.
Here's Raymond, "El Reymundo" the current cat we've had the longest. He's a sweetie, too, but doesn't get along with Estelle that well.
Here's AJ, "El Diablo Naranja". Sometimes he loves me, sometimes he's an absolute demon. He has a knack for jumping up on my desk and either rebooting my laptop or typing through a locked screen. I still haven't figured out how he does the latter (please ignore the detritus under my desk, I be).
And this is the newest kitten, who showed up covered in fleas and rubbing on my legs while I was on the patio having a cigarette a few weeks ago. He goes by Oscar, or "El Diablo Gris". We're trying to get him to stop chasing and terrorizing the other cats (except Estelle, who usually just stares him down). He loves people, but getting him socialized with the other cats has been a lot of work. Anyone want their first cat? I don't want him to leave, but he's going to have to calm down to keep living here. Otherwise, he's going to spend most of his cute life in Meowcatraz*.
*Meowcatraz isn't as bad as it sounds. It's a spare room that's gated off with two baby gates, and a third baby gate armored in plexiglass to prevent him climbing over it.
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